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SM sigil....hmmm....

S = Serendipity
M = (My first initial)

Well that settles that...

(P.S. I'm just jokin' still haven't had enough coffee this morning.)

Serendipity if I recall correctly, ya mentioned a french heritage, so yer whimsical take has as much validity as the next, yes? like louvian sez, its all connected.

BTW, Ike uses that very same expression all over his The Rise book, so ya can say by default he agrees with ya.

Doc, we'll just have to disagree on the way we look at this.
If I was (I am) a non medical man and had to draw a thigh bone in a small space bounded by a curve I might well alter it in the way I described above.
Actually, if it is a reference to Jacob then having the ball of the hip rotated round would make sense as his injury is often looked on as an anterior dislocation which is produced by a rotating of the joint.
It makes sense to me anyway.

Renne, your scrying disc. Not sure of its relevance here, but certainly orbs are depicted with this item/procedure. Have put something on your scrying stone thread re shew stones.

Hi Lov, thanks for the welcome. You are doing so well, just did not want to interrupt your flow.
Have you worked out the meaning of your Celtic tale?
Who were the two hanged guys - what was the next stage of his journey - and what might he have returned with? All very relevant to this, but from a different angle.

ahhh yes I remember now Renaissance man
we are talking about
Echtra Nerai.
Adventure of Nera. Although a part of the Ulster Cycle, this tale of supernatural horror on Samain, a time when demons were thought to be about, is set in Connacht.As the court of Ailill and Medb celebrates the feast of Samain at Cruachain, Ailill offers a prize to any man brave enough to tie a withe around the leg of either of the two captives whose corpses have been left hanging on the gallows outside. After Nera fails in three attempts, one of the corpses offers some advice: use a peg. He then complains of thirst, for he has died thirsty. Nera carries the corpse on a circuitous search for water; when they find it, the corpse spits it upon an innocent household, all of whom die. At this Nera carries the corpse back to the gallows; but when he returns to Cruachain he finds all the residents decapitated and the court burned—or so it appears. He follows warriors into the cave of Cruachain (known conventionally as ‘Ireland's gate to hell’), where he sees the ruler of the sídh displaying heads on spikes. The denizens are clearly dead men, as each remarks to his neighbour that there must be a living man in the procession because it has become heavier.The ruler of the sídh awards a home and wife to Nera, asking only that he provide a daily supply of firewood in return. Nera lives peaceably for a while until his wife tells him that Cruachain has not been destroyed as he imagined, but that it will be next Samain unless he warns his people to obliterate the sídh before that time. In his return to the mortal world he brings garlic, primrose, and golden fern to prove where he has been. Ailill welcomes him and gives him the prize, a sword, he had initially promised. In a year's time Ailill warns him to retrieve from the sídh what he most values. He brings out a brown bull calf that begins to fight with the famous Finnbennach of Táin Bó Cuailnge [Cattle Raid of Cooley]. Nera's bull calf loses, but Medb swears that next time she must see the bull contest in person. The men of Cruachain, together with men of Ulster, commence battle on the sídh, but bring out three treasures as booty: the crown of Brión, the mantle of Lóegaire in Armagh, and the shirt of Dúnlang in Kildare. Nera, his wife of the sídh, and their child are left inside, however, where they will stay until Doomsday.

I agree Renaissance it is appropriate

Dat's cool man.

The question here is, "What is a crista?"
My answer is that it is a scrying mirror made of gold and
the crista design is the pattern on the back of said mirror.
That would make it relevant here.

renne, It has been brought up it several topics and multi threads, this crista 'thang' can be worn. Like on top of a helmet, imbedded in a war banner, imprinted or embroidered on fabric, its found etched on various portable objects like chrism jars, so where the hell does a mirror come in to play?

Puh-leeze, like I say to louvian, make a solid ref to a document or whatever that specifies what ever 'thang' ya wanna drag into the discussion. When was this mirror made?, at the time Constantine got his vision?, did it just appear outta nowhere and fell miraculously in his hand like the slightly singed passport of 1 of the WTC hijackers did to a cop standing on the street?

To spin in New Agey stuff like this does a disservice to Ike + Co and their The Rise book. I haven't finished readin' the book yet. I doubt they made mention of this mirror ya jabber on 'boot.

Does anyone know who "directed" Sauniere to the crista?
He must have had it before he began the redecoration of RLC
since it is depicted there repeatedly.

Jake - I can`t footnote my own theory.

Renne, do as I do. Think Occams Razor. look for logical perspectives. not illogical red-herrings. If yer sleuthin' around was based on a definite start point, use that documentation to show how it got from point A to B.

if ya find somethin' that substantiates yer position, document it, ya see where C is, or ya surmise where, and along the line ya fill in the details by postin' the positive finds along the way, just like any sleuth does.

Scientists do 1,000s of experiments before they finally get an idea where to take their theoretical start point, yes?

Let`s go back to the thigh bone in the Red Serpent sigil. I`d say that it represents the Bloodline as Jacob`s injured thigh and also the Fisher King`s thigh wound. Both refer to Isreal and the Bloodline of Jacob/Israel through the Merovingian kings. The "S" and "M" in the RLC sigil are very sinuously drawn and have different meanings than the S + M ("Servants of Mary") of the Catholic sigil. I`d say that the voluptous M represents the feminine and the sinuous S represents the masculine, together symbolizing Procreation referring to the continuation of the Bloodline of King David. We now know that the thigh bone would be full of the royal Davidic DNA.

Yessssssssss Rennes!!!!

Now, that is a plausible thought, 'cuz it is dealin' with a symbolic concept on a symbolic plane, yes?

Whether that is what Sauniere meant it to mean is an entirely different matter, 'cuz as of now, nobody can definitively say, yes? At this point yer surmise IMHO is on par with the rest. This state of affairs will get Sandy's nickers in a twist, mainly 'cuz she spent so much time on the ground there.

If ya recall, I made a suggestion way back when and Sandy turned it into a very interesting topic, 'cuz it asked this question...how many are armchair researchin' ala the 'Net, how many are sleuthin' like she + Ben did?

This is the current state of affairs regardin' the minutia detail the forum delves into. Those with an artistic frame of mind as Renne has, see things quite differently from somebody getting their hands dirty crawlin' into a white rabbit's warren. It will be interestin' if any thing resemblin' a unified field theory evolves out of the RLC enigma.

Renne,
That's a very interesting theory and well put!

The RLC interior sigil is abstracted. The rod at the bottom
just has nobs on it, but the Red Serpent sigil shows it as
it was originally.
This fantastic photograph shows it well, this symbol is all over RLC church.

Sauniere must have found the crista before he began redecorating.
Did he have to dig for it? Was it at NDdeM?

As ya must have surmised by now Renne, a design is a design is a design, It is inanimate, It has no separate body + soul function, it has no separate life of its own, the mere fact somebody created this particular design don't mean that designer has a direct line to God to breathe life in to it.

That it is put up in an ornamental fashion sez more 'boot Sauniere's artistic proclivities. Its obvious he put some meaning into it, rather than the symbol putting meaning into him. It definitely is not connected to any phase of Jesus' life or ministry on earth. Its an after thought kinda thing just like using a fish outline to let folk know they believe in Jesus. The fish insignia imparts nothing miraculous in and of itself, yes?

For example, the clothing a Pope or Bishop wears has nothing to do with te clothing Jesus wore when HE was at the Last Supper. HE ate standing up as described by Moses. HE tucked his robe under His girth so that HE would be able to move at a moment's notice. Once the solemnities of the Pasch meal were completed, then could Jesus sit with HIS Apostles and break bread with them when HE instituted the Eucharist.

As ya can see the altar setting in a Church building is not designed so that the entire congregation can sit around the preacher. This is just 1 of many practical modifications The Vatican instituted so that the faithful can partake of Communion at a Mass celebrated by a Pope. Imagine how many folk can fit into St. Peter's Basilica.

This is not to digress but to get folk to stop and think twice, what supposedly is a crista?, how or where would it fit into whatever Jesus did. To spin it in a million directions instead of narrow it down it so typical of New Age gnostic BS. The number of actual implements Jesus utilized were very few, as mentioned in the NT. HE did not wear a helmet with a feather boa, HE didn't wear any body armor, HE didn't carry a weapon. HE didn't have a banner announcing HIS presence when HE wandered the countryside preaching to the locals.

This in and of itself should be of help in being able to do a zero in, if this christa bit is to be significant in any way.I f ya notice, there is no mention of anybody doin' portraits in the OT or NT, so that automagically eliminates the artsy-fartsy stuff. The fact Constantine comes along several 100 years later, should also let ya know this crista 'thang' was only meaningful and applicable to him.

For somebody to see it as a magic genie trapped in a flask reduces it to myth-legend-folklore and it loses all relevance to the RLC enigma. So, obviously it ain't a good luck charm of sorts. It ain't used to conjure up sorcery based spells, which is anathema. As ya can see the possibilities are shrinking rather drastically, yes?

Renne,
Thanks again, Keep up the good work.

Best!

Don't Quit
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When things go wrong, as they sometimes will,
When the road your trudging seems all uphill,
When the funds are low and the debts are high,
And you want to smile, but you have to sigh,
When care is pressing you down a bit
Rest if you must, but don't you quit.

Life is queer with its twists and its turns,
As everyone of us sometimes learns,
And many a failure turns about
When they might have won, had they stuck it out.
Don't give up though the pace seems slow,
You may succeed with another blow.

Often the struggler has given up
When he might have captured the victors cup;
And he learned too late when the night came down,
How close he was to the golden crown.

Success is failure turned inside out
The silver tint of the clouds of doubt
And you never can tell how close you are,
It may be near when it seems so far;
So stick to the fight when your hardest hit,
It's when things seem worst that you mustn't quit!

THanks Merry D., have you read the PAX -CHI -RHO thread yet?
I have to check that out, that thread is about the crista as well.

Who did Constantine battle on the Lendit plain?

Constantine with a Roman Cross.
This symbol looks like a Roman Cross with a Pax/Chi Rho in the disc
above it. The staff is a combination of both.

Pax/Chi Rho Crop Circle.

We are not alone in this.

Wow Renne that Coin is Awesome

Thank you L.
I wonder what they meant when they said that "He put the Crista on his helmet."
You can see the design on a disc on the crest, but it looks as if there are 14 other Pax/Chi Rho discs that make up the crest. Perhaps they meant that he put the design on his helmet. The Crista also appears to be on the standard (Labarum) of the Latin cross as a disc, so he used both the Pax/Chi Rho and the Latin cross.
How was it that the disc was in Rome and not Byzantium?

Here is a Greek sphinx on the CREST of a MIRROR.

Perhaps you will recognize this, L.
It is from a fancy hotel in Natchez, Miss.

Thanks Sheila I'm wee bit slow but I've got it now.
I won't put all my connections up to save everyone the pain, but cheers.


26. "Christianus quantum interpretatione de unctione deducitas. Sed ut cum
preferam Chrestianus pronunciatus a vobis (nam nec nominis certa est
notitia penes vos) de suavitate vel benignitate compositum est."

Canon Farrar makes a great effort to show such lapsus calami by various
Fathers as the results of disgust and fear. "There can be little doubt,"
he says (in the Early Days of Christianity) "that the name Christian was
a nick-name due to the wit of the Antiochians ... It is clear that the
sacred writers avoided the name (Christians) because it was employed by
their enemies (Tac. Ann. xv. 44). It only became familiar when the virtues
of Christians had shed luster upon it " This is a very lame excuse,
and a poor explanation to give for so eminent a thinker as Canon Farrar.
As to the "virtues of Christians" ever shedding luster upon the name,
let us hope that the writer had in his mind's eye neither Bishop Cyril,
of Alexandria, nor Eusebius, nor the Emperor Constantine, of murderous fame,
nor yet the Popes Borgia and the Holy Inquisition.









http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mari_(goddess)

I gleaned this gem from Roger from another crista topic and its extremely revealing, lemme tell ya...

"The "reincarnation" - of sorts - of individuals, however, forms a portion of the legends associated with the crista."... Now if Roger would be so kind and enlighten us as to which 'legends'? Were they pithy songs of Troubadors of the Medieval Period?, were they embedded in a popular form of traveling theatrical productions called the 'miracle plays?, The screed of Percival? Chanson of Roland?, the myriad of Arthurian stories?, as ya can see the possiblities are endless.

BTW, here is an extremely easy take on the M + S insignia in Sauniere's Church, namely they are to indicate the illicit relationship to his live-in madonna, Marie + Sauniere himself. The rod, bone, staff device can be construed as bein' phallic, yes? I always keep Occam in mind, Sauniere was Gallic, yes? He was a rogue doin' all sorts of 'thangs' that were definitely not-kosher according to conventional Catholic practice. I see no difference as to what Sauniere was doin' as what Jews like the Borgia's who became debauched Popes.

Its obvious y'awl forgot 'boot them 20+ Jews Disraeli said were the most debauched Popes in the Vatican's history. Sauniere had plenty of role models to emulate, and plenty of help from his kabala-gnostic buddies.