it doesn't mention the Treasure of Solomon just the treasure of Alaric.
Maybe i shouldnt, but i tend to see this as the same thing. In the sources, these terms seem to be interchangeable 'treasure of Solomon' = 'treasure of Alaric'.But I'd forgotten about Procopius, this exact passage you quote was read out in Lincoln's The lost treasure of Jerusalem
Paul Smith has emailed me to tell me what an idiot i am because Procopius also wrote
“Belisarius, upon reaching Byzantium with Gelimer [last king of the Vandals, captured by Belisarius in 534] and the Vandals, was counted worthy to receive such honours, as in former times were assigned to those generals of the Romans who had won the greatest and most noteworthy victories. And a period of about six hundred years had now passed since anyone had attained these honours, except, indeed, Titus and Trajan, and such other emperors as had led armies against some barbarian nation and had been victorious. For he displayed the spoils and slaves from the war in the midst of the city and led a procession which the Romans call a "triumph," not, however, in the ancient manner, but going on foot from his own house to the hippodrome and then again from the barriers [the starting point for the racers at the open end of the Hippodrome] until he reached the place where the imperial throne is. And there was booty,-first of all, whatever articles are wont to be set apart for the royal service,-thrones of gold and carriages in which it is customary for a king's consort to ride, and much Jewelry made of precious stones, and golden drinking cups, and all the other things which are useful for the royal table. And there was also silver weighing many thousands of talents and all the royal treasure amounting to an exceedingly great sum (for Gizeric [leader of the Vandals who had sacked Rome in 455] had despoiled the Palatium in Rome) and among these were the treasures of the Jews, which Titus, the son of Vespasian, together with certain others, had brought to Rome after the capture of Jerusalem [70 A.D.]. And one of the Jews, seeing these things, approached one of those known to the emperor and said: "These treasures I think it inexpedient to carry into the palace in Byzantium. Indeed, it is not possible for them to be elsewhere than in the place where Solomon, the king of the Jews, formerly placed them. For it is because of these that Gizeric captured the palace of the Romans, and that now the Roman army has captured that of the Vandals." When this had been brought to the ears of the Emperor, he became afraid and quickly sent everything to the sanctuaries of the Christians in Jerusalem
Procopius: The Reconquest of Africa, 534
On the Wars IV.9http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/p ... rs4-9.html
Smith also informs me that Procopius is a ridiculed historian. And an unreliable one.
So perhaps we shouldn’t take the word of Procopius?
But actually, Procopius is a noted historian ..…. “The Byzantine historian Procopius (born c. 500 AD) held a high civilian post on the staff of Justinian's great marshal, Belisarius. He participated in several campaigns, including the victorious one against the Ostrogoths in Italy (536-540 AD). In 562 he became Prefect of the City in Constantinople. In the year 537 AD Ostia and Portus figure prominently in The Gothic War (De Bello Gothico), part of Procopius' History of the Wars of Justinian, that was written in Greek
Procopius also had some sort of axe to grind later against Belisarius.
From the Medieval Sourcebook site: Procopius of Caesarea (in Palestine) [born c.490/507- died c.560s] is the most important source for information about the reign of the emperor Justinian [born 482/3, ruled. 527-565] and his wife Theodora [d. 547/8]. From 527 to 531 Procopius was a counsel the great general of the time, Belisarius [505-565]. He was on Belisarius's first Persian campaign [527-531], and later took part in an expedition against the Vandals [533-534]. He was in Italy on the Gothic campaign until 540, after which he lived in Constantinople, since he describes the great plague of 542 in the capital. His life after that is largely unknown, although he was given the title illustris in 560 and in may have been prefect of Constantinople in 562-3.
He wrote a number of official histories, including On the Wars in eight books [Polemon or De bellis], published 552, with an addition in 554, and On the Buildings in six books [Peri Ktismaton or De aedificiis], published 561. He also left a "Secret History" [Anecdota, i.e. "unpublished things", not "anecdotes"], probably written c. 550 and published after his death, which was a massive attack on the character of Justinian and his wife Theodora. Parts are so vitriolic, not to say pornographic [esp. Chapter 9], that for some time translations from Greek were only available into Latin [Gibbon - in Ch. 40 of Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire wrote about Theodora that "her arts must be veiled in the obscurity of a learned language ", and then went on to quote the passage in Greek with Latin comments!]
The Secret History claims to provide explanations and additions that the author could not insert into his work on the Wars for fear of retribution from Justinian and Theodora. Since both before and afterward, Procopius wrote approvingly of the emperor, it was suggested in the past that he was not the author of the work, but it is now generally accepted that Procopius wrote it. Analysis of text, which show no contradictions in point of fact between the Secret History and the other works, as well a linguistic and grammatical analysis makes this a conclusive opinion
But let us not get away from the fact that Procopius said the treasure of the Jews was sent back to sanctuaries in Jerusalem. And we cannot dismiss Procopius.
Why would he say Alaric has the treasure, then Belisarius had it?
If he is not lying, there must be a reason? Perhaps they had different parts of the treasure for example?
The contradictory accounts of the fate of this Jerusalem treasure are interesting.
There are also the reports of the Arab historian, Ben Qutaiba, which indicate that when the Arabs took Toledo in 711, they had found the golden table identified as that of the table of Solomon. So, some of Solomons treasure was in Toledo with the Visigoths.
The historians I cited (including the history of Athaulf), report that the Visigoths did have the Treasure of Solomon. Gregory of Tours also reports that the Franks (Merovingians) believed the Visigoths had this treasure at Carcassonne.
Perhaps the treasure became separated? It remains a mystery.
“After the fall of Jerusalem in 70 CE, the Menorah was brought to Rome. The representation on the Arch of Titus poses a minor problem, because the pedestal (an octagon) is different from all other representations, which nearly always show the Menorah with three legs. Worse, the octagon shows eagles with garlands in their beaks and capricorns on its upper tier, and aquatic animals on its lower tier: these symbols are not known from Judaean art of the centuries BCE, and violate the second of the Ten Commandments ("You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth") Eagles and water snakes do not belong on a Jewish cultic object
. Several solutions have been proposed, which all have their problems: perhaps this is not the real Menorah (but what's the point of carrying it around in a triumph?), perhaps the pedestal is a Roman restoration because the Menorah was damaged during the sack of Jerusalem (no evidence), perhaps the pedestal is in fact a litter, designed to give the object stability during the procession (perhaps the least implausible explanation).
However this may be, the Menorah was in Rome, and was deposited (with other cult objects from the temple of Jerusalem) in the Temple of Peace in Rome (Josephus, Jewish War, 7.150). It may have been transferred to another place after the Temple of Peace was destroyed in a great fire in 192, and was certainly brought to Carthage by the Vandals, who sacked Rome in 455. Here, the Menorah was captured by the Byzantine general Belisarius, who took the city in 534. In his introduction to his History of Justinian's Gothic wars, Procopius states that the sacred objects of the Jews were brought to Constantinople and carried through the streets during Belisarius' triumphal procession
. If Procopius is to be believed, the Menorah was almost immediately sent back to Jerusalem, because a Jew told Justinian that the lampstand had brought disaster to every city where it had been. The object's presence in Jerusalem, however, is not recorded, perhaps because Palestine was later conquered by Muslims
'.http://www.livius.org/te-tg/temple-trea ... norah.html
However the Muslims do not record having this object, when they conquered Jerusalem in around 614.
It is all a bit bizarre.
Modern historians comment on the treasure too: ‘Gregorovius narrates that although the Temple of Peace was damaged by the fire of Commodus in 192, the authorities had enough time to transfer the Jerusalem Temple treasure to an unidentified location, where it was kept for some considerable time. He believed that part of the Jewish ritual furnishings ended up in the hands of Alaric in 410, but that the sacred treasure objects left behind by the Visigoths were carried by Gaiseric to Carthage, as reported by Procopius…. Gatto believes the Temple treasure captured by the Vandals may have ended up in the hands of the Arabs who conquered Jerusalem in 638. Eventually it fell into the hands of the Crusaders who placed it in one of the Christian churches of Jerusalem. After the Crusades, very little was found of the treasure sent by Justinian to Jerusalem ….
So other theories have been proposed.
Given Procopius’s accounts, perhaps we should look at what was happening in Jerusalem in 614?
A Roman medieval tradition even claimed that the Bascilica of St John in Lateran still sheltered ‘the Sacred Ark of the Covenant, the Tables of the Law, the Golden Candlesticks, the Tabernacle and the priestly vestments of Aaron
The bottom line is: Alaric ransacked Rome first. We know the Temple treasure was there, it is evidenced and taken there by Titus. Alaric certainly brought it with him into France. It is inconceivable to me that Alaric would have not have got the Treasure of Jerusalem.
As for other renderings and ideas …. It has been asserted anyway that the Menorah may not have been the original one …. But a copy …..
You pays your money, and you takes your choice.
The search for Alaric and his treasure continues ......Of course it was Alaric II that the Germans killed in 507
I confess Roscoe that i subscribe to the theory that the Treasure of Alaric would have been guarded, protected, rescued etc throughtout the term of the Visigothic kingship, as per the traditions of the Royal and Sacred treasure at the Kingdom of Toulouse.
Why did Clovis think the Visigoths had the treasure at Carcassonne? He must have heard all about it. Where from?
PS Smith, dont keep sending me email. You are on spam and will be automatically deleted.
I wont even get to see it.