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 Post subject: Re: Watch the film: Mystical Legends - Girona, A City of Secrets
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PostPosted: 30 Oct 2009 10:15 pm 
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Hi whoop_john, rather than hijack these good folks' thread on Girona, a subject of which I'm blissfully unaware, do you mind if we continue re astroarchaeology over on my thread here:

http://andrewgough.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2303&p=45931#p45931

I will reply to you re astroarchaeology at the bottom of that thread

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Cheers, thanks for the info, I agree with your comment that It's ridiculous to expect geographic features to conform to human geometric constructions. That is the problem with Henry Lincoln's pentagram of mountains, 5 minutes review shows them just to be 5 hills in a hilly area that make up an irregular 5 sided polygon.
Funny you should mention this, because I took Lincoln to task over this at a lecture he gave, but regarding his pentagram nearer to RLC. It was so irregular and I asked him why he found this so exciting, because you can draw a rough set of five points around many places like that. He did a theatrical indulgent puzzled look at me then a chortle while he grinned at the other people in the room, as if to say I was a nut because I couldn't see it and quickly moved on. He ducked the question. What would I know, being a trained architect and surveyor?

Someone had a statistical analysis online of the area of Lincoln's pentagram of mountains. Plotting possible places of interest he came up with many other arrangements equally as valid as Lincoln's, some even more so! It's random, it really is. Wish I could find the website again...

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However archaeoastronomy is something else again, being man made geometric constructions. It is a special interest of mine as you can imagine, however I have been completely removed from it for over 10 years. What in your opinion is the most interesting and verifiable site these days?
A corny choice, but the winter solstice alignment of New Grange, for sheer drama. Why should I think it is an interest of yours?



I'm not surprised that Lincoln was agog at such a display of utter ignorance.

Why do you people insist on using points like the Tour Magdala and the Chau des Templiers (the point which is mistakingly called Bezu but has NEVER been Bezu) ?

Try mapping your pentacle again only this time use the correct points. Use 2347 OT. And don't forget the projection is Lambert Conformal Conic Projection optimised at 20 degrees and 60 degrees. The area of interest is around 43 degrees.

Take the point 200 metres to the east of the Chau. Des Templiers (sorry but that's what it's called on the map. Any inane pedantry on the name will be ignored). The point is marked Rnes.

Take the point 100 metres to the west of the point marked Chau de Blanchefort again marked Rnes.

Take the point 250 metres east of La Soulane (which incidently means Solar Line in Occitan and tomorrow 1st November you'll find the sun rising at dawn over this point when viewed from Rennes le Chateau. Today is the Celtic New Years Eve tomorrow is New Years Day)

It's marked 587 but it should again be marked Rnes because of this point

Incidently this is where the shepherd boy found the gold.

The other point is spot height at Serre de Lauzet and finally:

Why do people insist on using the Tour Magdala as a point? Use the Tour d'Alchemie. That's the round tower on the chateau that has the sighting slots on it (eight in all to correspond with the eight Celtic festival days) that are rounded on the upper side for looking upwards.

Now OK why is this here if it's here? Well according to Otto Rahn an old Ariegois told him the story that the Volkes Tectosages took back some accursed gold that had been taken originally when Brennus took the Temples of Delphi and Jupiter. The gold had been stolen by the Roman Consul Caepian. According to the Ariegois the Druids placed a Magic Ring around the gold to protect it.

So this means that there should be something directly in the centre of this new pentacle.

Indeed there is.

Anyone who tries to use the churches as markers is not doing much thinking here. The Holy Roman Church hadn't the first damn clue that the position would be scrutinised by 21st century debunkers. They didn't care that the church was placed accurately for your delectation. They were more concerned about stamping out the previous place of worship that had been there.

Here's an example in England of how clumsy the church was in placing their "images of the saints"
as Augustine called it, over previous places of worship.

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It weighs forty tons and they dragged the megalith nine miles some 4000 years ago. Roger thinks this was some kind of ancient job creation scheme. The latter day primitive Christian church couldn't move it having deliberately held the world in abject ignorance for 2000 years. Next time you're looking for the accuracy of the churches in the landscape think about this image. Here's your error.

Here's what a Christian spiritual advisor of the Merovingian king said:

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"Before all else, I denounce and contest, that you shall observe no sacrilegious pagan customs. For no cause or infirmity should you consult magicians, diviners, sorcerers or incantators, or presume to question them because any man who commits such evil will immediately lose the sacrament of baptism. Do not observe auguries or violent sneezing or pay attention to any little birds singing along the road. If you are distracted on the road or at any other work, make the sign of the cross and say your Sunday prayers with faith and devotion and nothing inimical can hurt you. No Christian should be concerned about which day he leaves home or which day he returns because God has made all days. No influence attaches to the first work of the day or the [phase of the] moon; nothing is ominous or ridiculous about the Calends of January. [Do not] make [figures of?] vetulas, little deer or iotticos or set tables at night or exchange New Years' gifts or supply superfluous drinks. No Christian believes impurity or sits in incantation, because the work is diabolic. No Christian on the feast of Saint John or the solemnity of any other saint performs solestitia [solstice rites?] or dancing or leaping or diabolical chants. No Christian should presume to invoke the name of a demon, not Neptune or Orcus or Diana or Minerva or Geniscus or believe in these inept beings in any way. No one should observe Jove's day in idleness without holy festivities not in May or any other time, not days of larvae or mice or any day but Sunday. No Christian should make or render any devotion to the gods of the trivium, where three roads meet, to the fanes or the rocks,or springs or groves or corners."

The Life of St. Eligius, 588-660
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Solstice rites on St John the Baptist Day? Huh? St John the Baptist ,one of only two who has their feast days on the day they were born not when they died (The other was Jesus). Hmm one's the Summer Solstice the other is the Winter Solstice. My my isn't that a coincidence boys and girls?

Where three roads meet? Makes David Wood's extended pentacle a little more interesting now doesn't it? Especially since the place where it peaks is where three pathways meet and is called Coume Loubiere which is a Sundial: N'est-ce Pas?

Oh and by the way the web site you're looking for was by David Williams. He removed the site the instance I tasked him to make good the brag he was making that such patterns can be made with anything. All I said was OK do it then. He along with his website disappeared.

Anyone who is curious as to how this mapping in the landscape was done should look at the last 20 minutes of Henry Lincoln's programme The Secret. All will slip into place. Anyone who hasn't seen this is at a lower level of ignorance as far as I'm concerned. I know that Richard Webster has seen it.

Why am I being like this? Because I hate loathe and detest arrogance especially when it is couple with the wilfull ignorance that I see constantly on here.

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 Post subject: Re: Watch the film: Mystical Legends - Girona, A City of Secrets
PostPosted: 31 Oct 2009 5:46 am 
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There's nothing special about Girona. It's a nice place but it's no more significant in this mystery than a hundred other places.

i'm happy for Patrice that she found the love of her life there but with regard to Sauniere it's

ARINGAROSA.

Sauniere?

For what purpose did he put in a proposal just before his death to build a 33 metre tower? This document was shown on Lincoln's The Lost Treasure of Jerusalem.

Why did he and his villagers parade Our Lady of Lourdes around the streets of Rennes le Chateau on (what he called) The Feast of Louis de Gonzaga.

Everyone else would have called it St john the Baptist Day or more accurately Midsummer's Day. Then again Louis de Gonzaga was a Priory of Sion GM and his actual name was Louis de Nevers. Nevers being the place where Bernadette Soubirous, the young girl who witnessed Our Lady of Lourdes is buried and was formerly called NOIS.

"If there's a bustle in your hedgerow don't be alarmed now, it's just a spring clean for the May Queen"

Lourdes is on the Greenwich Meridian by the way and was a former Druid place of worship where people went to be healed.

This Girona story tries to give the Jewish angle on all this. The Zionists stole this star religion and called it their own years ago. Beware the Zionist angle on this, it is fake. There is nothing of Jewish origin with regard to the Qabalah (Kabbalah, Cabala) and there is nothing mystical about the use of letters to represent numbers, nobody used numbers until very recently.

What are the Grail traditions? - Nothing but Celtic. It is entirely Celtic. It has been stolen.

Could the tower in Girona have a connection with the tower at Rennes le Chateau?

Indeed it could. It, along with a hundred other places in Western Europe, is yet another an astrological/astronomical observation tower.

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 Post subject: Re: Watch the film: Mystical Legends - Girona, A City of Secrets
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Now OK why is this here if it's here? Well according to Otto Rahn an old Ariegois told him the story that the Volkes Tectosages took back some accursed gold that had been taken originally when Brennus took the Temples of Delphi and Jupiter. The gold had been stolen by the Roman Consul Caepian. According to the Ariegois the Druids placed a Magic Ring around the gold to protect it
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http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthre ... &page=1831
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Gillette and Toulouse?

I knew that Toulouse is strongly linked to the myths, stories and legends of the languedoc, provence, rennes le chateau, the cathars, the grail, the alleged bloodline of christ, mary magdalene etc. etc.

Gillette?

http://www.rennes-le-chateau-la-reve...ossier8-uk.htm

I'll paste the whole page (at the end of this post in blue), but please note the treasure was hidden in Razès Razor... Gillette.

There is also a link to the Grail / Gaal

And lots of links to Germany (Toulouse / Hamburg). One of the most famous modern day grail seekers was Otto Rahn from Germany (supposedly the basis for the Indiana Jones stories). Although born in Hessen, the Rahn family name apparently began in.... Hamburg!

http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.f...mily-crest.htm

And note the Rahn family crest... The Raven! Ravenna is named after the raven. Ravenna was another hiding place for the grail treasures.

Lots of Rahns moved to Pennsylvania and Philadelphia which were so important to the founding of the freemasonic United States.

Pennsylvannia = Sylvan (silver or forest)

Philadelphia... Phi considered to be one of the secrets of the universe (or the secret?)... and delphia = delphi... the oracle at delhpi.

Which links back to Toulouse! The south of france was home to ancient greek communities. And high among their deities was Apollo...

There is a legend that a massive celtic invasion of ancient greece managed to rob treasure from delphi and return them close to the site of toulouse. There was great sickness amongst the celts and the druids decided to throw all the treasure into a deep pool in the mountains. The pool of the trout, which changed from green to black. The druids made a magic circle around the pool. The legend says that anyone who finds the treasure will also get the terrible sickness...

Here is something for someone who knows the legend better than I do! Note that they mention the celtic raven god!

The treasure of Volkes tectosages.
A Roman proconsul of the name of Cæpion took from a votive lake 80 tons of gold and money and immediately re-melted this into ingots. This apparantly disappeared during its transport towards the port of Narbonne following an attack from Volkes tectosages upset by this profanation of their sacred offerings. They would have then withdrawn to the high valley of the Aude and would have hidden the treasure in this area which is easy to defend.

Boudet speaks directly of the Volkes Tectosages, who became Galatian after Brennus, the Celtic Raven God, took the treasures of Delphi and brought them to Tolosa (Toulouse)[Strabo]. The treasure was cursed and so they threw them into a lake.

One of Otto Rahn's Grail lakes. Don't bother looking for treasure in there because it's long gone.

The Volkes tectosages where the First Gauls or Alpha Galates.

Cromlech is a Brythonic word (Breton/Welsh) used to describe prehistoric megalithic structures, where crom means "bent" and llech means "flagstone". The term is now virtually obsolete in archæology, but remains in use as a colloquial term for two different types of megalithic monument.

In English it usually refers to dolmens, the remains of prehistoric stone chamber tombs. However, it is widely used in French to describe stone circles. Confusingly, some English-speaking archæologists, such as Aubrey Burl, use this second meaning for cromlech in English too.

In addition, the term is occasionally used to describe more complex examples of megalithic architecture, such as the Almendres Cromlech in Portugal.

PAX (681 in Gematria) 681 by the cross (rood)

A square 681 rood by 681 rood has a diagonal that is 3 miles long (error = 0.06%). 3 miles is one League named after Lugh the Celtic Sun God.

The distance between the church near the salt water spa at Rennes les Bains and the mountain top observatory of Rennes le Chateau is one league. Here you'll find La Tour d'Alchemie and it's eight wedge shaped holes designed to look upwards.

How much more in-your-face can this get?

The lake is called Etang du Truites (a corruption of Druides or maybe the other way around). The lake (pond) contains no trout and never has done it does however contain a rare Golden Salamander. Another pond nearby is called Etang du Diable both are between Soularac (Solar Rock) and Montsegur. The Trac des Grailles goes past them.

Here is Soularac in the distance:

You are looking down the Beltane/Samhain line. This is 72 degrees and is parallel with the St Michael Ley line that runs through Glastonbury.

Sauniere said the word SECRET on the Feast of St Michael. Most conical mounds in Europe have a church on them dedicated to St Michael an Arch Angel.

There's a hollow sound under the dolman at Peyrolles, so say the villagers. Peyro is Occitan for stone. There is a document which states that one of the first pieces of land bought by the original knights templar after their initial return from Outremer was the area around Peyrolles.

There is something in the centre of Henry Lincoln's pentacle of mountains. He just wrongly used the more recent sites.

1° - THE TREASURE OF JESUS
Jesus Christ Bar-Aba, hidden king of the Jews, and leader of the Nazoreen movement, imposed a tax in his country, occupied by the Romans (see “FIRST REVELATION”,p.74).So as to not slow down marching, he created precious deposits near the "levying" stations, until the revolt of 66. The copper scroll of Qmran, found with the manuscripts in the Dead Sea in 1952, restored by the EDF, and returned to Jordan by France in 1997, identified a treasure hidden in the year 68 in 64 inventoried hiding places. This fabulous treasure (26 tonnes of gold, 65 tonnes of silver, and cult objets), whose origin is unexplained by the historians, was recovered by the partisans of Jesus, after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 and the crushing of the Zealot movement.
This holy treasure was brought to Septimania and hidden in the Razès beside the tomb of Jesus.

2° - THE TREASURE OF SOLOMON
King Solomon, son of David, was designated by the Lord to build in Jerusalem the first Temple, which bore his name. This Temple, destroyed in -587 during the capture of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar, was rebuilt on the return from exile in Babylon, which lasted 50 years ("DANIEL").
The second Temple, restored by Herod the Great (died -4), was burned and destroyed during the capture and destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans on the orders of Titus in 70.
The treasures brought away as trophies to Rome made no mention of the Ark of the Covenant, but of the Menorah (chandelier with 7 branches) and of the Table of the bread of oblation, represented on the Arch of Triumph of Titus, which can still be seen in Rome (see Photo).
These treasures, preserved in the Capitoline Temple of Jupiter, then in the palace of the Caesars, were pillaged by Alaric I in 410, during the capture of Rome by the Visigoths.

3° - THE TREASURE OF ALARIC
The treasure of the Visigoths, established in SEPTIMANIA after the sacking of Rome in 410, contained two parts: the "royal" treasure made up of the receipts freely available to the King, and the so-called "ancient" (or national) treasure which was untouchable, consisting of war booty and holy objets.
Beyond the treasures from the sacking of Rome, the ancient treasure was rich from the pillaging of Greece, devastated by the Visigoths in 395, with the exception of Athens.
In 507, the Franks of CLOVIS attacked the VISIGOTH kingdom, took TOULOUSE, and unsuccessfully held CARCASSONNE in siege.
According to the historian PROCOPE in "DE BELLO GOTHICO":
"The Franks attacked CARCASSONNE, where they had heard say that the treasure of the Visigoths, from the pillage of Rome, was hidden."
The Visigoth king ALARIC II was killed at the battle of VOUILLE (site unknown).
In any event, the Franks found nothing; THEODORIC, king of the GOTHS of Italy, put the "royal" treasure in a safe hiding place in RAVENNA, then gave it to AMALRIC, son of ALARIC II, once the danger was removed.


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PART OF THE VISIGOTH TREASURE WAS FOUND AND IS ATTESTED TO BY HISTORY.
- In 711, when the Arabs captured TOLEDO, the Spanish capital of what remained of the Visigoth kingdom, they got their hands on the MISSORIUM, which was part of the "ancient" treasure, as reported in an inventory found in DAMASCUS.
- At the end of the nineteenth century, in GUARRAZAR, nine kings' crowns in solid gold, decorated with sapphires, were discovered in a field. France preserved them in the museum of CLUNY until 1943, at which time it returned them to Spain.
No has since heard about the remaining treasure, and if it had been discovered, there is no doubt that the holy cult objets would not have been melted down.
The legend, geography and logic all indicate that the rest of the treasure has every chance of being hidden in the RAZES, near RHEDAE, which was the impregnable citadel of the Visigoths.
In reality, CLOVIS knew EXACTLY where to look, which explains why the combats around Rhedae were bitter.

TWO "NEWS STORIES" ATTEST THAT THE TEMPLARS, THEN THEIR SUCCESSORS, HAD THE TREASURE

THE STORY OF THE GERMAN SMELTERS
In 1156, the Templars installed on the plateau of Lauzet, between Blanchefort and Rennes-le-Château, a colony of German workers, forbidden to have the slightest contact with the local population.
It was explained that they were exploiting the former gold mine of Blanchefort, but - oddly - they weren't miners but smelters...
This could lead one to guess that they weren't digging, but were transforming an immense treasure into gold bars; what could be easier than to hide it in a gallery, at the bottom of a mine!

THE STORY OF THE COUNTERFEITERS OF BEZU
In 1307, the Templars of France were all arrested the same day (13 October). On 2 May 1312, the Order of the Temple was dissolved by a Bull of Pope CLEMENT V.
In 1340, a search by the agents of King CHARLES V at the château of BEZU caught red-handed, in the process of counterfeiting, the Seigneur Guilhen CATHALA, his wife, and two stooges.
An agent of the King was killed and the others put to flight; given the gravity of the affair, the soldiers had to intervene and arrest the guilty parties.
During this era, counterfeiting could mean making coins that did not contain the required weight in gold, a question of theft; but it could also mean making correct coins without authorisation, which was forbidden. So where did the gold come from?
The affair was not followed up, and the "criminals" were pardoned, because the Seigneur de CATHALA was both the son-in-law of the Seigneur de RENNES, and the nephew of Pope BENOIT XII, whose real name was Jacques FOURNIER, a former Cistercian at the monastery of BOULBONNE...

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 Post subject: Re: Watch the film: Mystical Legends - Girona, A City of Secrets
PostPosted: 31 Oct 2009 9:43 am 
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I'm not surprised that Alaric was defeated and killed at the battle of Voille, he would have been at least 150 years old by then. Bit old for fighting battles don't you think? :wink:

But hey what about Alaric? Anybody that wrecks Rome and burns down the Senate and takes the Emperor's sister Galla Placidia hostage is some dude. The treasure wasn't taken by the way, the people of Rome gave it to Alaric to bargain for their miserable corrupt lives or to buy time so they could act out some treachery. The treacherous Romans renegued on their promise to give the Goths some land and subsequently got their butt kicked. So Atauff (Alaric's brother-in-law) took the land in South Western France naming the mountain near the road from Narbonne to Carcassonne after his brother. Atauf had a bargaining token with him, Honorius' sister (later to become his wife). Alaric had died of fever in Calabria whilst attempting to lead his army to go and take North Africa where all of the Roman's food supplies came from.

Ravenna, had the "great" Roman Emporer Honorius (oh the irony) skulking in there whilst his city (that all roads lead to) was being put to the sword. The Romans moved to Constantinople and have continued their treachery to this day only they moved back to Rome to continue it. It's now called the Roman Catholic Church.

Atauf's declaration:

At first I wanted to erase the Roman name and convert all Roman territory into a Gothic empire: I longed for Romania to become Gothia, and Athaulf to be what Caesar Augustus had been. But long experience has taught me that the ungoverned wildness of the Goths will never submit to laws, and that without law a state is not a state. Therefore I have more prudently chosen the different glory of reviving the Roman name with Gothic vigour, and I hope to be acknowledged by posterity as the initiator of a Roman restoration, since it is impossible for me to alter the character of this Empire.

Oh if only Atauf, if only. They got their empire by lying and treachery and they're still doing it. These people think that anyone who have honour and goodness in them and when they make a promise they keep it are weak.

There are gold mines all over the Languedoc. It is not surprising to find gold miners, German or otherwise. It is from here that the Gauls got most of their gold, they had more Gold than the Romans. It is the very reason Caesar attacked Gaul, to lay his greasy, barbaric hands on it.

There's every likelyhood that if the armies of Alaric had taken the Treasures of Solomon's temple they would have melted it down and treated it as worthless tack. Which of course it was.

Atauf was an Arian Christian. Yes indeedy Christianity served the Roman Empire well.

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Oh and by the way the web site you're looking for was by David Williams.
I am not sure. Someone else has done a study here: http://www.bb4w-games.com/xyz/keymeasure.html


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Heres a screen clip from the David Icke forum thread Roscoe linked to above.
Nice example of the kind of research they do over there :D :D
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 Post subject: If Dali had designed a grail cup
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Just by way of a witty interlude I knocked up a quick artist's impression called 'If Dali had designed a grail cup'.

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i think there would be many a slip twixt grail cup & lip in that instance... :D


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Sheila wrote:
i think there would be many a slip twixt grail cup & lip in that instance... :D

According to Roscoe none of my other ideas hold much water either Sheila.


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