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http://www.france-secret.com/croixlorraine_art1.htm

(babelfished from)
However, in March 1982, Ed appeared in the Rock, a book that seems not to have attracted much public attention: "The Book of Secrets Companions" with the subtitle "The Secret Teaching of General de Gaulle (4) signed by the Reverend Martin. Without further expand on the content of this complex but valuable wealth of information supporting the wealth of theories, we will only extract one of the key ideas of this book. De Gaulle provided education to a secret group of secret companion, whom he would sometimes submit topics for discussion on specific topics. The group then took figure of "board". But throughout the book, Father Martin did not indicate otherwise this coterie occult by this term: "The Forty-Five" ... Number limit set by the General himself ...

http://fa.livejournal.com/183495.html

As a matter of fact, Jean Robin was not the first author to present de Gaulle as a convinced guenonian. In 1982, a certain Reverend Pere Martin published a 500-page book called 'Le livre des compagnons secrets' (Rocher) whose subtitle was more explicit : 'L'enseignement secret du General de Gaulle' ('The Secret Teaching of General de Gaulle'. According to this author, de Gaulle was surrounded by a secret circle of forty-five personages, who advised him and received his confidences, and who became the bearers of his thought until 1958. The book examines the whole of French history, and the eschatological concern of the 'secret circle' for the country and its destiny, from a perspective which reminds one of Marxist historiography. It contains many references to the work of Guenon - perhaps the author wishes us to believe it was no coincidence that Jacques Benoist-Mechin, one of the two characters who is reported to have played an 'occult' role for de Gaulle, was sent by the French government on many missions in Arab countries after 1958, especially to Cairo, Egypt? A critical analysis of 'Le livre des compagnons secrets', published in the 28th October 1982 issue of the magazine Nostra and signed 'Bayard', voiced the hypothesis that the book was meant to create a confusion between the forty-five member group and the Prieure de Sion, which, as is known, also had forty-five French members, among them Jean Cocteau and Andre Malraux.; it is accompanied by a drawing called "Le general de Gaulle attendait le retour du grand monarque" ("General de Gaulle Awaits the Return of the Great Monarch". Incidentally, the inimitable Jean Parvulesco tackled this subject in 'La spirale prophetique' (Tredaniel, 1986).

Pore Martin didn't leave it at that. In 1984, he laid it on a bit thicker, with 'Le Renversement, ou La Boucane contre l'Ordre Noir' ('The Reversal, or La Boucane versus the Black Order'. In 1971, the discovery was made "that a group of ex-Nazis is working behind the scenes towards world domination", and Pore Martin tells us all about it. Joscelyn Godwin mentions this book in his 'Arktos : The Polar Myth'.

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http://thot-arqa.org/arcadia/webzine/webzine_no7.html

(again, excuse the babelfish)
Now twenty years ago appeared a book with the astonishing title: The book of the secret companions, signed by a certain Reverend Père Martin, delivers accompanied by a more explicit title: the secret teaching of General de Gaulle. The reading of this work of 500 pages left more than one reader skeptic when with the veracity of the reported facts and the utility of such a bulky publication. According to the author, a group of forty-five people forming a secret circle surrounded the General de Gaulle and assisted it its councils.

Reciprocally, if one can say, this group reduced to forty-three members received the confidences of the General, becoming agent of his major thought until 1958. This circle made up of soldiers became the core of a wider unit forming a sample of all the layers of the French company. From these some 500 pages emerges a at the very least original corpus. It is all the French history which is re-examined through a step which points out the Marxist analysis first of all. However, an attentive examination reveals the eschatologic concerns of interested concerning France and its destiny. The references to Rene Guénon are explicit. The personality of the author remains mysterious. According to some, it would be about an aristocrat, former naval officer having been useful in the Free Naval Forces Frenchwoman. It would have received the sacerdotal orders within the Gallicane Church and would have exerted its ministry in Toulouse at the time of the publication of the work. An article published in the Nostra magazine of October 28, 1982 in fact a critical analysis which is worth to be underlined.

According to the author of this contribution which signs Bayard, we would be in the presence of a book with keys. It would be a question of creating a voluntary confusion between this group of forty-five and the Priory of Sion which is never mentioned. The demonstration of Bayard is worth to be begun again. At the time concerned, the Priory of Sion counted in his forty-five rows French members. Among them, there was Jean Cocteau, the Marshal Juin and Andre Malraux. Jean Cocteau dies in 1963 and the Marshal June in 1967. The manpower of French is thus tiny room to forty-three members. While exploiting the number of French members, don't the authors of the book seek to treat French branch of the Priory of Sion by lending intentions to him only it forever have? As often in these companies, of the exact elements untruths côtoient skilfully.

It is true that one of the French commanderies is directed by a woman. It is true that Pierre Plantard of Saint-Clearly is in close relationship with André Malraux. Moreover, in May 1958, they had established in the residence of the first, 116 avenue Pierre Jouhet in Aulnay-sous-Bois, in company of Jean Gavignet, the PC of the Committees of Public Safety in metropolis. Many was astonished by the references supported to Rene Guénon, not being able to imagine de Gaulle the convinced General in guénonien. Is not there there still a key. The General was worried many the contacts with the Muslim world whereas the war of Algeria was to find an exit fast. Two characters played near him an occult part. One is an eminent disciple of Rene Guénon, the other being Jacques Benoist-Méchain in exile in Cairo.

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http://www.el19digital.com/index.php?op ... &Itemid=13

(again excuse my babelfish)
Not only that, within the secret thought of De Gaulle, known through "The Book of Secrets Partners: The Secret Teachings of General de Gaulle," published in 1982, written by A. P. Martin Couderc of Hauteclaire this is identified with a thought of "Christian Communism" and based his mystical thought drinking from 3 sources: the deep French esoteric research, a convert to Sufism, Rene Guenon (Scorpio, November 15, 1887), the Reverend Jesuit priest, anthropologist and creating an evolutionary worldview and Christian Theilhard de Chardin (Taurus, May 8, 1888), and nothing more, nothing less, than the thought of Mystical Guerrilla Segovia, Augusto C. Sandino, which combined with the teachings of theosophy magnetic-spiritual and Freemasonry, the stamp of his signature Masonic appreciate the 3 points.

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Two years later he published another volume was the same author. "The Black Order Boucane against," full of anecdotes and incredible revelations. Finally, in 1986, the same author published "The Manifesto of the 45 and their young companions," about which we return later. These three publications, two years apart, corresponding to the first three letters of a total of seven, that the general had bequeathed them to be open-purposes, presumably apocalyptic-ten years after his death and with an interval two years.

[snip]

According to RP Martin, the Order, formed in the beginning by 45 "comrades" is inspired by Chinese secret societies. Their spiritual teachers are those who bequeathed De Gaulle: Father Teilhard de Chardin, philosopher Rene Guenon and Augusto C. Sandino. Moreover, de Gaulle would have received a mysterious initiation of a Romanian diplomat, Michael Valsan, well versed in the internals of traditional students.

Regarding the so-called "Christian communism," which, according to some, de Gaulle would have synthesized, this would have more than one point in common with the ideology of liberation, especially professed Central and South America, and inspired by the ideology of Cesar Augusto Sandino, which De Gaulle professed a profound admiration. In fact, in the books of The Order, virtually canonized the "Guerrilla Mystical Nicaragua" and is recognized as the precursor of Cuba's Fidel Castro (August 13, 1926-Leo)

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OK. So we were discussing what might be the ideology behind the Gaullists.

Well, so someone writes a book called The Secret Companions of de Gaulle. He says they are struggling against a neo-Nazi group known as the Black Order.

The author is said to be a Rev Pere Martin Couderc de Hauteclaire. (RP Martin). Many say he is a priest from Quebec, Canada. But I'm not the first person to notice certain similarities between the ideas and themes of RP Martin and the PoS/RlC author Jean Robin. Now a lot of what Robin writes is nonsense, but it's weird that he appears to hint of the existence of a similar group of people in Operation Orth and further hints he also once belonged to these 45 "secret companions". The evidence that RP Martin is from Quebec is the use of the word "Boucane" in the 2nd book. That's a particular Quebecois word.

http://www.rabaska.com/super/chroniques ... ane_go.htm

BTW, the "quarante-cinq" (45) of the narrative seems to come from a Alexandre Dumas novel, the 45 Guardsmen.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Quarante-Cinq_(roman)

Anyway, so here's my point. What does RP Martin and/or Jean Robin say about these "45" companions of de Gaulle, who apparently can more or less be identified with/connected to the PoS (they are, by Plantard, in Messianic Legacy). Who are their influences?

Rene Guenon's traditionalism -- OK, it does tend to be found in rightists like Evola, but ...

Teilhard de Chardin -- the Jesuit priest and paleontologist who unlike his Catholic Church peers believed in evolution ... but also an Omega Point toward which humanity was aspiring
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Teilhard_de_Chardin

And ... Augusto Sandino's Liberation Theology (it's Sandino who the Sandinistas are based on!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology

BTW ... for all those interested in Jesuits ... note the role the Jesuits played in creating Liberation Theology in Latin America...

Does this sound like a right wing group or a left wing group? To me, more of the latter. But maybe center right, like de Gaulle was, with prevailing ideals of nationalism and traditionalism.

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The first set of words aren't mine. They're quotes from other websites. What a certain someone calls regurgitations. I usually give the link to mine so people can see where they come from.

Unfortunately, nobody seems to have written about RP Martin's book in English, so I had to translate some Spanish and French websites.

I can translate Spanish, but not as quickly as Babelfish does, so I let it do the job. Again, apologies for any translation horrors. I tried to correct them in a few places.

The first post is to show what source material is on the web about this book and its author. (And the two others he wrote.) Not much.

The second post is to show my thoughts on the subject. Those words are mine.

The point of the post is to show what at least one person says the ideology of the "PoS" or "Gaullists" if you prefer really was. It doesn't look like "right wing extremism" to me. I'm not saying it's true. I don't even know if there were 45 companions of de Gaulle.

I am putting it out for consideration. It strikes me as approximating what I think Plantard's politics and some other "poseurs" might really have been. Based on Guenon, de Chardin, and Sandino. Which means an odd mix, but certainly not neo-Nazi.

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darn it... never figured that one out.

Well, let's see, when I quote books and websites, I usually say where I found them. I know, crazy idea, but I do it anyway.

I put them up for other people to look at. Because the majority audience of the site is Anglophone, I offer translations into English when the material is not. I usually try and quote English sources but unfortunately there aren't some for some subjects, like this one. The bonus is if they read Spanish, French, German, etc. they can see where they were obtained from. And do a better one themselves. I know Babelfish wreaks horrors.

It still seems to be a difficult concept for some that quoting a website is putting it up for discussion. They're free to comment on what they think is inaccurate.

The way normal people do it in the normal world is to suggest why they're inaccurate, and post a countervailing source, that refutes the material. I know this is hard for some people.

I don't know anything much about RP Martin's book. I'm asking if anybody knows anything more. The material in there is intriguing, even Joscelyn Godwin discusses it in Arktos, but doesn't dismiss it, either.

Who was RP Martin? What's the point of this work? Is it disinformation? Or pointing toward some truth?

So fine sheila: is there a point to my verbosity? Yes, there is. If you can explain to me why any of the above suggests the PoS or the people connected to them were "right wing extremists" I'd be glad to listen.

It doesn't look that way to me. According to RP Martin, they were something else. Maybe center right, but with what looks to me like a left wing tendency.

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bugger......wish youd told me this on Saturday

Oh well. I'm sorry I use too many words in talking about things.

I'm also sorry I quote what other people say about subjects, or worse yet agreed-upon reference material. First forum I've ever run into where that's a taboo.

But I'm learning.

I guess I'll stick to grunts and groans from now on.

Neo Nazi Black Order
now that sounds like the Black Sun group

That's very interesting
yes we were talking about how Plantard was captured by the Nazis and tortured
and how he met Mitterand and De Gaulle

both were in the Prison camps

and notice there is a French Priory of Sion and I think there is an American Priory of Sion chapter

I possibly has seen signs of that

Seeker your doing just fine

You can't make them happy
on one hand they go where is your proof and link
on the other hand now because your giving out information to others

Your sharing and teaching
Your right this gives us insight on Plantard

It might or it might not.

I have no idea.

I've been curious about this ever since I read Messianic Legacy.

There's a passage in there I'm going to summarize -- a lot easier than retyping. p. 246-8

Plantard hands the BLL trio a book review from a magazine signed 'Bayard'.
It is a review of the compagnons secrets by RP Martin - same book we've been discussing.
BTW, I haven't read the book. It is in French. However, I haven't found many French speakers who have read it either.
Anyway, apparently the book never says these "45" (quarante-cinq) are the Priory of Sion.
"Bayard" accuses Martin of conflating the two.
'Bayard' mentions Andre Malraux and Alphonse Juin as being members of these "45" and also members of the "Priory".
They ask Plantard who "Bayard" was. He says "RP Martin" and grins. His grin suggests to BLL he himself is "Bayard".
(My own theory is RP Martin might have been Jean Robin -- or Jean Robin was one of the "45".)

Now again this has been one of the more interesting aspects of all this. I don't know whether Malraux had any connection to Plantard or not and who knows if he was really a member of the "PoS" or these "45" or not. But ... we do know both were Gaullists. Both supported a unified Europe. And in Malraux's case, it would be very hard to call him a rightist, he was one of many on the left attracted to de Gaulle because of nationalism and fear of the Soviets.

Here's my main point. If Plantard claimed Malraux as a member of his org, whether true or not, then he must have associated with his politics, which I would not call far right.

http://www.answers.com/topic/andr-malraux

Malraux's first novel, Les Conquérants (The Conquerors), was published in 1928. Set in Canton in 1925, it deals with the attempts of Chinese Nationalists and their Communist advisers to destroy imperialist influence and economic domination. The hero of the book provides a vigorously drawn portrait of the professional revolutionary. Malraux lamented the potential influences of Western culture, using China as an example, with The Temptation of the West (1926). In this work, the character of Ling says that many Chinese thought they could retain their cultural identities after being exposed to European influence and technology. Instead, that influence results in the "disintegrating soul" of China, a country newly "seduced" by music and movies.

Malraux's next novel, La Voie Royale (The Royal Way, 1930), was less successful; it had an autobiographical basis in the search for buried treasures, but treated the search as a kind of metaphysical adventure.

In 1933 appeared Malraux's most celebrated novel, La Condition humaine (Man's Estate, Man's Fate). Set in Shanghai, the novel describes the 1927 Communist uprising there, its initial success and ultimate failure. The novel continues to illustrate Malraux's favorite theme: that all men will attempt to escape, or to transcend, the human condition and that revolutionary action is one way of accomplishing this. In the end there is failure, but man attains dignity in making the attempt and by his very failure achieves tragic greatness.

Malraux's next novel, Days of Wrath (1936), a short account of a German Communist's imprisonment by the Nazis, was poorly received, considered more propaganda than art. But after Malraux assisted the Republican forces by organizing an air corps during the Spanish Civil War in 1936-1937, his inspiration was renewed. He then published L'Espoir (Man's Hope, 1938). In this book, the Republican forces gradually organize to meet the Fascist threat, and the novel ends at a point where the "hope" of the title might have been realized.

Following the Soviet Union's signing of a nonaggression pact with Germany, Malraux broke with the Communist cause. He was captured twice while fighting with the French army and underground resistance movement, but he escaped and would become a military leader. In 1943 he published his last novel, Les Noyers de l'Altenburg (The Walnut Trees of Altenburg).

The feel of this book is very different from that of Malraux's earlier novels. The narrator, captured by the Germans in 1940, reflects on his father's experiences before and during World War I - as an agent in central Asia, at a meeting of intellectuals in Germany, and while fighting on the Russian front. Malraux explores the fundamental problem of whether men are essentially the same in different epochs and different civilizations. Intellectually the answer seems to be negative, but emotionally it is positive, and human solidarity is maintained. Political action is seen as an illusion, and the traditional values of European humanism are affirmed.

Following the liberation of France in 1944, Malraux served in the reconstituted army as a colonel, and would later work to subvert the French Communist party. He was a supporter of General Charles de Gaulle. He and de Gaulle became friends and, as president of France, de Gaulle appointed Malraux to the position of minister of information - a job Malraux held from 1945-46. After leaving the post, he remained a de Gaulle intimate and one of the leading members of the Gaullist political movement. He contributed to The Case for de Gaulle; a Dialogue between André Malraux and James Burnham.

Beset by marital tensions, Andréand Clara Malraux divorced in January, 1946. Two years later, Malraux married his sister-in-law.

In the years that followed, Malraux wrote mainly on the subject of art. One highly philosophical volume on this subject was The Psychology of Art (1950), in which Malraux writes of an "imaginary museum" - a "museum without walls" - in which objects of art are important for their own intrinsic value rather than for their collective underlying meanings (see also André Malraux, Museum Without Walls 1967).

In Les Voix du silence (The Voices of Silence, 1951), Malraux develops the idea that in the modern world, where religion is of little importance, art has taken its place as man's triumphant response to his ultimate destiny and his means of transcending death. Also on the subject of art, Malraux penned "Saturn: an Essay on (Francisco de) Goya" (1957, translated by C.W. Chilton). Malraux also wrote Picasso's Mask (1976).

In 1958, after de Gaulle's return to power, Malraux became minister of cultural affairs - where he remained until de Gaulle's resignation in 1969. In 1967 he published the first volume of his Antimémoires (Antimemoirs). These were not memoirs of the usual type, failing to mention the accidental deaths of his two sons and the murder of his half-brother by the Nazis. Instead, they contained reflections on various aspects of his experiences and adventures.

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Ask yourself this question. Maybe Plantard lied and he never knew Malraux. I suspect they must have met through the Committees of Public Safety. I don't know whether there was a "45" and maybe the "PoS" was really a fun joke in Annemasse to pursue low-cost housing. Who knows?

However, we do know one thing: Plantard admired Andre Malraux enough to claim him for his group. If nothing else, yes, I think that tells us about Plantard. And points to a larger point of what kind of person he might have been and what some of this "might all have been about".

louvian, it seems yer tongue got in front of yer eye tooth and ya coudn't see what you were tryin' to say, hehehe...I mean this is somethin' else...

Quote:
both were in the Prison camps


Umm... care to elaborate?

The links I found say de Gaulle was interred by the Germans near the end of WW1. Mitterand's son was sent to prison less than 10 years ago, so ya missed on both counts, nary a Nazi in sight.

Francois Mitterand was a collaborator in the Vichy regime.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWdegaulle.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Christophe_Mitterrand

PUH-leeze louvian ya gotta do a better job of getting yer facts straight. If Francois did time in WW2, de Gaulle deserted his troops and went to London.

http://books.google.se/books?id=LiHLZQ6 ... q=&f=false

Ok I was wrong about that I was thinking of Mitterand running the POW resistance

Dang Roger the Cat
doesn't miss a trick
It was Mitterand who ran the POW resistance
I got them mixed up DeGaulle and Mitterand
but bottom line they both played with the British Secret Service

Give me a break ok

Plantard sentenced to Fresnes prison for four months for setting-up the Alpha Galates without being granted permission to do so by the authorities.

DeGaulle appointed Pierre Plantard secretary of a national 'Movement' for the defense of liberty to succeed the Committees. As "minister of propaganda," Plantard proceeded to dismantle and thereby defuse the Committees of Public Safety which might turn against DeGaulle. The announcement was published by Plantard's first wife, Anne Lea Hisler:

"When we first met M. Plantard in 1979, he told us that Charles de Gaulle had personally requested him to direct the French Committees of Public Safety and, when their task of installing the General in power had been completed, to preside over their dissolution. In a mimeographed pamphlet deposited with the Bibliothèque Nationale in 1964, Anne Lea Hisler—M. Plantard's first wife—states:

"Under the authority of Marshal Alphonse Juin, the seat of the Secretariat-General of the Committees of Public Safety in metropolitan France was at Aulnay-sous-Bois [Paris suburb]. This Committee was directed by Michel Debré, Pierre Plantard known as Way, and André Malraux..


De Gaulle was in England working for the French Resistance
De Gaulle didn't trust Churchill or England

The Earl of Selborne was the Minister of Economic warfare under Winston Churchill, and as such was the head of the Special Operations Executive, an intelligence organization that interacted with the OSS and the French Resistance intelligence groups during WWII. He was also a religious conservative of the Anglican Church, and a dedicated monarchist, even supporting a resurgence of monarchy in Europe. He studied genealogy and regularly visited the Pyrenees. He served as a director of North British and Mercantile Insurance, along with Sir Thomas Frazer.

But Mitterand worked under Favre de Thierrens who was a spy for the British secret service

So Plantard could have been a secret agent working for DeGaulle
and then Mitterand

and then even for the British Secret Service

Plantard had the gifts of a cold war spy
France went nuclear before many countries did

http://quintessentialpublications.com/twyman/?page_id=70

Yes Jabberwock
ok I made a mistake
So ok I need to buy you guys a drink

your right and Roger caught me wicked men



Your right my mind got ahead of my writing
you have diagnosed the disease

Thanks.

You have a ref. for your specific assertion? That it was known as "the 45", because it brought "45" resistance groups together? Just wondering.

Austria also had his "Club 45":
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_45


As to ... http://www.france-secret.com: Isn't that one done by André Douzet?

Back to this, I see.

Oh well. At least now you're back to using honey instead of vinegar.

Flytraps still look the same way to me, regardless of how they're baited, tho.

Even if what you're saying is true -- doesn't seem to explain what Martin wrote, or who he was (Quebecois).

And maybe he was referring to something other than Plantard's group, who Plantard tried to glom into. That I don't know.

But it doesn't sound like the BCRA.

BTW, still wondering about the link to Alexandre Dumas. Who wrote a book called "the quarante-cinq". The 45 guardsmen ... set among the wars of religion. Same guy who wrote The Man in the Iron Mask.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Quarante-Cinq_(roman)

You're right, Rog. I can do my own homework. But I also choose to look at things other than where you insist on pointing me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Valsan

Michel Valsan (1911-1974) was a Muslim scholar and master of the Shadhuliyya tariqah in Paris under the name of Shaykh Mustafa 'Abd al-'Aziz. As well, he was a Romanian diplomat and a prolific translator who specialized in translating and interpreting the works of the Sufi theoretician Ibn Arabi.

A follower of Rene Guenon, Valsan considered Hinduism, Taoism and Islam as “the three main forms of the present traditional world, representing the Middle-East, the Far-East, and the Near-East, as reflections of the three aspects of the Lord of the World.”[1]

“ The Islamic doctrine is formal on the point that all the Divine Messengers have brought essentially the same message and that all the traditions are in essence one...As regards the Islamic form of the tradition this is in any case originally and essentially based on the doctrine of Supreme Identity...[2] ”

Valsan introduced the study of Islamic esoteric doctrine, in particular that of Ibn Arabi and his school, into the context of the "traditional studies" based around the work of René Guénon (Shaykh 'Abd al-Wahid Yahya), of which he was a constant and effective defender. Although initially a disciple of Frithjof Schuon, he later distanced himself from Schuon and the Traditionalist School Schuon came to represent; declaring his independence in 1950.[citation needed]

Valson served as the director and editor of, and regular contributor to, the journal Etudes Traditionnelles from 1948 until his death in 1974. Valsan died in Paris, France at the age of 63. A collection of his articles was republished in a posthumous compendium entitled L'Islam et la Fonction de René Guénon (Editions de l'Oeuvre, Paris).

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http://traditionalistblog.blogspot.com/ ... chive.html

More French Traditionalists of importance

According to Dalil Boubakeur, interviewed by Abd al-Haqq Guiderdoni in a 2004 documentary on Guénon, "General de Gaulle was a personal admirer of Guénonian thought."

This is the first I've heard of it, but Boubakeur is not the sort of person to make baseless claims. De Gaulle certainly knew, and by all accounts valued, Henri Hartung, who was a Traditionalist and might have introduced him to Guénon.

Boubakeur is the rector of the Grand Mosque of Paris, and in 2003 was elected president of the Conseil français du culte musulman, the body created by the French state to represent France's Muslims. His re-election to this post in 2005 was controversial, and according to some he now has more supporters in the French government than among the Muslims he is meant to represent. Even so, on the basis of the size of France's Muslim population (something like 6 million), Boubakeur remains technically the leading Muslim in the European Union.

In Guiderdoni's documentary, Boubakeur (b 1940) describes himself as a "disciple" of Guénon, and then corrects himself "because he [Guénon] did not like the word 'disciple.'" He remembers long discussions with Michel Valsan (d 1974), the former disciple of Frithjof Schuon who established an independent and orthodox Alawiyya in Paris, and with other French Traditionalists of the period.

Not as remarkable as de Gaulle, perhaps, but still remarkable.

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Refs on Henri Hartung refer to him as a "progressive Muslim Traditionalist".

He wrote L'Iris et L'Lotus....
http://openlibrary.org/b/OL2424864M/iris_et_le_lotus

Nah, just the opposite. I just don't go to the only section of the buffet people say I'm supposed to stay at.

I know. Everybody heads for the crab legs. I go for the dim sum.