Arcadia Discussion Zone

Howdy, Quest! Good to meet you!

Yeah, it seems the most plausible theory right now. But if they thought about testing it on ANY forum without "the whole world" becoming aware, that is not such a good idea. By now, the majority of the OI faithful are aware of this, and as Tank suggested, they may indeed have burned some very valuable bridges with those who could have helped them most.

But if you're an author, then all you really need are a computer, a quiet room and a check from the publisher. Sometimes, if you have the check from the publisher, you can do without the other two. (:^D)

TS

You're giving "Will" too much credit. It is not a well planned out idea involving a novel. It is just another nutty guy publicly expressing his personal delusions. No publisher would ever accept such an atrocious story for a novel. It isn't even entertaining, just meandering lunacy. Dime a dozen.

This little fantasy has Dan Green (or whatever his current alias is) written all over it. I suspect clues will soon be given, if they haven't already, which will make some connections with his Lincoln DaVinci Code experiment/hoax/fantasy/ I'mstartingtobelievemyowndrivel fiction.

I think there's much more to it than that. Let me point out a few more items that piqued my author's curiosity:

-- For example, there's a heavy emphasis on traveling around the world that is nonexistent in real theories. Most OI and other mystery theorists settle on one or two major sites, and tie their research into them. "Will's" tale is truly a wild ride, a jaunt that involves high drama and exotic locales. It's the James Bond-type of globetrotting that points out it's been created by a writer with dreams for a big movie payoff.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. (:^D)

-- Then, there's the little-discussed connection between "Will" and the British authority that he's related to. Few OI fanatics ever like to pass credit on to others (I'm excluding the relatively sane researchers who realize we all stand on the shoulders of the giants who came before us). Only an author would write in that their main protagonist would call in a family member to help discover the answer. It smacks of "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade." I can just hear Sean Connery calling "Will," "Junior" every ten minutes.

This one detail is one of the strongest indicators that this really is a story or a screenplay, and not just your average unsupported theory. A dead giveaway (DGA), IMHO.

-- The fact that rather than describing the theory itself, we have to follow "Will" and the cast of characters through this little adventure tale. A true theorist would release bits of his theory every few weeks, perhaps with insights into how other locations fit in, but wouldn't need to pretend that the artifact has already been dug up and analyzed, all in the space of a few months.

-- The mention "Will" makes of the removal of the artifact: "Imagine the capsule that Spock was placed in and shot into space in Star Trek III." His allusion to a famous movie, rather than to another archeological site, is one more DGA.

-- "Will's" description of seeing "the Templar's crest," when most researchers would agree that the two riders on one horse icon most associated with the Templars isn't really a crest, but a seal.

-- His comments about "that crappy Da Vinci Code movie or any junk you see in books" show he's tuned in to the power that Dan Brown's shadow casts in the novel and film market these days, and shows he's juuuuuust a tad jealous. Can't say I blame him there.

-- "Will's" comment that the billionaire "donned rings with symbols I have never seen...inter-twining bracelets with key codes, metallic latches that revealed other symbols..." These are details, written with "Will" as a spectator and using certain descriptive words, that most researchers would not have bothered to include. Writers, on the other hand, just can't help but include all those little details, not to mention those action verbs like "donned." One more DGA on the fire.

-- And as I alluded to earlier, there's the whole "super-secret" organization behind all this, who can't keep "Will" from posting on this forum? Please! We already know he's related to one of the British researchers called in late on the case, and that he was present at the billionaire's use of some arcane Masonic/Rosicrucian mumbo-jumbo. How hard would it be to uncover this guy?

-- "Will" says at one point he has to stop giving away secrets "...otherwise I'll be sued into the Stone Age by...the supposedly non-existent Illuminata." Of course, he kept right on posting, discussing events that, if they actually had happened, would have landed his bosses in huge international trouble. If nothing else, we should have heard all the efforts "Will" had gone through to disguise his identity, to make anonymous posts, to evade detection, etc.

-- Then there's the comment that "Will" is "100 per cent sure" something of value lies on Birch Island. As many of us are aware, Keith Ranville's theory on that is even more full of holes than "Will's" story. The only person that would ever reference Birch Island in terms of an actual connection with Oak Island would either be:

1) Keith, Oakster, Webster, Stop Sign, Corey Desjarlais, or one of Keith's other multiple personalities;
2) Keith's comparatively well-behaved ghost writer;
3) An absolutely dyed-in-the-wool, krazier-than-Krusty lunatic;
4) Or someone not all that well-connected to the basics of Oak Island research in the first place.

I place my money on the latter.

-- There's also the comment "Will" made about locating the tube: "We paid two fishermen to utilize some basic sonar/GPS equipment to locate our tube approx. 7 months before recovery." A real researcher would have mentioned the date of the GPS event, and not referenced it in the past as if it had happened before the story itself began. This suggests that "Will" or his main protagonist enters the tale after the fishermen are introduced, and the tale really starts after "Will" is recruited to participate in the recovery. Again, this displays the fingerprints of a plotted story, and not the account told by a researcher of their "amazing new discovery."

-- Then, of course, there's the fact that "Will" paints himself as a dashing "security expert." No doubt, he's got an AR-15 hanging from a shoulder clip, wears one of those all-black utility vests, and has a Bluetooth earphone surgically attached to his ear. Probably looks a lot like Sean Bean in low light situations. (:^D) Any real researcher would cast themselves as the smart guy in the story, not the tough guy. But we authors always take off the pounds, add on the muscle and sharpen our chins when describing ourselves in print.

Well, maybe not all authors...


Are you kidding? Have you read some of the garbage that's being printed these days? Do you know how many Clive Cussler novels my mother-in-law has packed away in the last decade? Do you realize that fifty per cent of all fiction published in America these days are romance novels? And how many dozens of pale "DaVinci Code" rip-offs have come out in the past three years? That's not even including the thousands of self-published works that come out each year.

I don't consider myself an expert on many subjects, but on novel-writing I can say with some authority: there are far, far worse stories on their second and third printings, than the tale "Will" is trying to tell. And with a boost from all the Internet fury this tale is stirring up, I could even imagine a bidding war erupting over this little tale.

That is, if enough publishers get drunk at the next London Book Fair. (:^D)

TemplarScribe
http://www.eternalhorizons.com
http://www.michaeldelving.com

Hey there, Jim! So glad you could weigh in on this little matter.

Are you referring to Dan Brown, the "DaVinci Code" author? He's currently working on a story involving Freemasons and their involvement in planning the birth of the US and the laying out of Washington, DC.

"Will's" tale doesn't sound like his kind of work. And despite all the abuse I heap on old Dan, his research team (now that he can afford one) would no doubt avoid the kind of impossibilities that creep into "Will's" story so far.

Unless, by Dan Green, you mean some notorious Internet poster? If so, I'm unfamiliar with him.

TS

Hi TemplarScribe,

TemplarScribe wrote:

No, I am referring to the author whom is interviewed on this sight going now by the name of Dan Green. He also uses the alias Cullum Jensen alongst others. He has wrote a couple of books moving the entire Rennes/Davinci code/Holy Grail mystery over to his own backyard in England. He has dubbed it the Lincoln Da Vinci Code.

He is sort of an expert at taking ambiguous questionable items and turning them into decipherable clues in a web of distortion just to see how far he can go in making a gullible, mystery thirsty public, buy into his fantasies.

I can see him as the type of person who would create something like this with the end game of trying to bring more attention/sales to his books.

Thanks for clearing that up, Jim. I'll go check out that interview again, and look into some of the books he's written. As far as his writing under the pseudonym Callum Jenson, I'm in the same boat. My own name is just as plain as Dan Green, so I write my novels under the pen name Michael Delving.

It's also interesting that Dan has a new interview on the Arcadia website. Is there a connection?


Rumor is, the sequel will be called "The Lincoln Navigator." (:^D) I'll withhold all further humor until I've read more of his work.


All the signs of a marketable author, BTW.


Again, for the record, I have no problem with that, as long as when the author(s) are outed, they come forward and admit the true situation.

BTW: I think it's interesting that "Will" hasn't dropped a note to rebut this possibility. I wonder if he's trying to rewrite the ending to his tale?

TS

Hey there, everyone!

Unlike many web researchers, I'm always ready to admit I'm wrong. NOT that I'm wrong on my main theory, that "Will" is an author or screenwriter posting his story here in the guise of actual events. But in reviewing the info available, I need to make a few mid-course corrections:

-- Dan Green is Callum Jenson's pseudonym, not the other way around. My misunderstanding. Although with as unique a name as Callum, why he'd want to use as plain a name as "Dan Green," even if it brings him closer to the Dan Brown audience, is beyond me.

-- I'm not 100% certain that "Will's" character is a security specialist. In one of his first posts, he criticizes the "mercs" assigned, as if he's not one of them. He also claims his raison d'etre was "to secure materials, make sure they were used according to plan, and secure future scientific experts in NZ and London (whom I am related to or know, personally)." I must have blanked out when I read the word "secure" multiple times in that sentence. Culpa mea.

-- As you'll notice from the above quote, it's not exactly clear if "Will" is related to the NZ expert or the one in London. I've got a 50-50- chance of being right here.

-- As far as the author being Dan Green, that is an interesting possibility. But so far, there's no connection to Dan/Callum's main theory, that of Mary Magdalene having been buried in England, with geometric pointers left in the London and R-L-C areas. Still, it is an interesting possibility that we can't rule out yet.

TS

Here's his web site if you haven't run across it already. http://www.freewebs.com/lincolncathedraldavincicode/index.htm

I'm not sure what his real name is.

TS - please give me the titles of some of your work, I would love to check some of it out.

cheers,
jim

It's Callum Jenson. He describes in the "17 Questions" interview that he chose "Dan Green" as a pseudonym for three reasons: for the connection to Dan Brown, for its reference to the "green language" described by Fulcanelli, and for the connection to Robin Hood borne by the city of Lincoln, home to Lincoln Cathedral and one of the foci to Callum's RLC-Lincoln theory-oval.


**Shameless plug follows**

Most of my writing is on my main website, http://www.michaeldelving.com . It's got some of my short novels, a whopping-huge 200-thousand-word adventure novel called "The Mines of Mohrkronin," and a few of my screenplays. Plus, you can read some of my better short stories.

Ten points and a try at the Big Board if you can tell me where the name Michael Delving comes from, without using Google. Hint: it's a "capitol" idea.

My new website, http://www.eternalhorizons.com , is for a new series of novels based around a three-person video crew that covers the most mysterious sites around the world: Machu Pichu, Stonehenge, Ankgor Wat. Their company is bought by an Australian media mogul (all comparisons to Rupert Murdoch are entirely coincidental), who tasks them to discover what the famed Templar treasure really was, and where it went.

There are a couple of excerpts already up, but the rest of the website is still under construction. Please excuse the dust. (:^D)

TS

Any response, Will?



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Are you out there, Will? (I realize that's a bit of a leading question)



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........Wiiiillllll??



Hmm... I guess they don't have Internet cafes in Panama City. Or maybe "Will" just fell into a very deep hole.

TS

For those still following this discussion, "Will" has posted a few tidbits in a thread entitled Panama Update, to which I replied in my usual brevity (**cough, cough**).

The contest is heating up. Bring the popcorn and your World Atlas.

TS

Hi TemplarScribe

I have just got back from a week in Egypt (with Simon Cox - read into that what you will... ) and would like an opportunity to respond to your comments now that I am able.

In other circumstances I might feel flattered that you have named me as one potential source of the recent Oak Island 'news' story, however, bearing in mind that I feel it has been badly constructed I actually feel a little slighted.

In response to your quote from Andy that I hate it and that I think it is a fraud, that is not the whole story. I do think it is an out and out fraud, but I don’t hate it, I just don’t think it is that well written or put together. I would like to think that if I was indeed a part of a campaign to launch a new fictional work about Oak Island that I could come up with a much more original and inspiring work than whoever is behind this! For the record, to the best of my knowledge it is none of the people you also mention; Simon Cox, Mark Oxbrow, Ian Robertson or Greg Taylor. Again, all of these people could come up with something way better and less full of holes than the story Will has thrust upon us.

Anyway, I just wanted the chance to clear my name and put an end to these rumours that I am behind this because I really don’t want my name associated with the story any more than absolutely necessary. I do have a reputation to keep up you know.

I was going to keep my thoughts to myself during this saga, but now that you have named me in public as being the possible author of the story I felt that I had to respond.

Mark Foster

PS I haven’t really had much time to follow this on other sites, are you saying Will is revealing info elsewhere? Could you highlight those sites, that would be interesting to me.

Okay, go ahead and make me jealous!

While we're on this topic, what do you make of Zahi's promise to let us all know what's behind the doors in the Great Pyramid's relieving tunnels? Did your trip have anything to do with that?


Gee, only "a little"? (:^D)


As I mentioned in Andy's Poll thread, I reserve the terms "fraud" and "hoax" for situations where someone is trying to gain monetarily from a situation. The Hitler Diaries, where an enterprising author created fake documents and tried to sell them for a small fortune, were a pretty clear hoax and/or fraud.

This situation with "Will" is much less significant, and contains nothing of any monetary gain. In terms of other current Oak Island theorists who are attempting to gain significant investment behind their particular theories: those could definitely be termed "frauds" if their evidence is fabricated and knowingly faulty.

"Will" is merely taking us for one very detailed, very wild ride. I doubt if anyone following this story has ever felt "taken" or suffered any kind of loss due to this story. Hence, I don't criticize "Will" too hard. I just think he needs to be honest with us, now that a better light has been shined on the particulars of his story.


I agree. I too have a fictional work that touches upon Oak Island, and I could see right away how full of holes "Will's" story is.

However, there are plenty of ways to patch up "Will's" story, and make it a perfectly satisfactory fictional account. Here's just one:

I've hit "Will" hard on his idea that a mini-sub could just "pick up" some fragile, millennia-old relic from the bottom of the sea, with no special preparations, and without knowing before hand what it was exactly that they were picking up. There's a simple rewrite to get out of this problem. First, you have your "team" be privy to some ancient documents, preferably Templar in origin, that makes cryptic reference to the tube beneath the waves. You can suggest at least a geometric size and shape, even if the documents don't disclose plainly what is inside the "cylinder."

Next, have one of your team (I nominate Jackson, the supernerdy geek that so far hasn't appeared useful at all) to be complaining about the lack of proper accouterments on the trip so far. In particular, how someone keeps leaving the top off the tube of toothpaste, allowing the contents to become hard as a rock.

"Will," in a moment of insight, holds the concrete-like substance up to his face as the camera closes in. "Jackson, you're a genius!" he yells, to which supernerd Jackson replies, while pushing his glasses back into place, "Well, I'm glad SOMEbody finally realizes that!"

We cut to the underwater scene between Oak Island and Frog Island (Note to self: NEVER mention Birch Island in any of my future scripts. It's a dead giveaway -- DGA -- for buying into the Rantville Fallacy. Frog Island is much closer, and actually has some OI legends already attached to it).

We watch as the submersible sidles up to the silt-encrusted tube, passes a certain type of device back and forth to denote the tube's densest section, which would suggest the location of its most important contents. Two pairs of arms drop a half-cylinder of vertical plasteel on one side of the tube, then another section on the back. The pairs of arms retrieve two specialized saws with hydraulic tubes attached. As the arms saw through each end, the hoses release a special hydraulic expanding foam that fills the cylindrical interior with a protective cocoon.

The arms then drop a pair of end caps into place, and, after a few tense minutes spent sweating while the expanding foam solidifies (while the team prays it desn't expand too much), the whole contraption is picked up by the submersible like a loaf of bread.

"How do we dissolve the foam once we get it back to Brisbane?" osupernerd Jackson asks.

"Easy," says the team leader. "We just pour some of your coffee on it. That'll dissolve anything."

For dramatic effect, the low-level lights on the sub can be spotted by some people in a passing tour boat on the surface, who wonder if it's a UFO. The tour boat captain radios it in, to which the local equivalent of the Coast Guard replies, "Burt, we've told you before: no alcohol allowed on tour craft after midnight! Now get your butt ashore before we call your wife!"


And seeing the excellent work you do for Sub Rosa, I know it's a very high reputation. BTW: Do you do your own graphics work? The art direction on SR is incredible, and I come from a magazine publishing background.


Y'know, Mark, I feel a little bad for that. I hope you can see, dispassionately, how you and Andy were logical choices for being involved. I mean, here's a story that has all the earmarks of a screenplay or a novel, and Artifice-Design is connected with so many excellent writers, all of whom are more than capable of creating such a tale. And Andy, besides having the necessary writing skills himself, is also connected with talented writers who call the subjects of "Will's" tale their own.

I think now would be a good time for me to say that you and Andy appear to have no involvement in this continuing saga, other than wanting to uncover "Will's" true identity. In that, we are all equally guilty. For any damage done to yours or Andy's reputation over my comments, please accept my sincerest apologies. Let me know if there's any way I can make it up to you.

I'm a pretty fair hand in Quark, P-Shop and Illustrator, if you think I need to work off my debt. (:^D)


Again, for those who are following this story closely, one of the sites is not at all difficult to discover. There have already been quotes made online in another forum detailing the possibility -- unproven, at this point -- that the person(s) behind "Will's" tale may have tried to use that forum over a year ago, before approaching Andy and his Arcadia site late last year (2006).

I'm theorizing, from "Will's" actions, that the gap in time between that first approach (early 2006) and his contacting Andy (ten months or more) must have included at least one additional attempt to place his story online. Again, this is only a theory on my part.

Thanks for being so gentlemanly about this, Mark. When you have time, tell us more about your Egypt trip. I'm all ears.

TenmplarScribe

templarscribe

I guess you are trying to promote a novel, or book by saying you know people that are well known in the Oak Island mystery. Why are you asking well known people in the Oak Island circle, to give you a email or telling someone they are a old friend or something that you probly never met, you sound desperate for friendship? and there is a reason why people don't email you back because you are exploiting people's trust for financial gain and using peoples reputations to slither your name with them anyone can see what you are doing.

This book sounds like crap and full of long boring dialog it sound's like a flop. You are not known for any significant earth moving well publicized information' but I seen you parisiting of others with well know Ideas? there is no one that will endorse your book lt alone read it.

A nobody writting a book about a man that is a snake?

And a good day to you, Keith! I see you've gotten bored at your other sites, where no one can understand your Birch Island fantasy. So you come back here and create another log-in with the mistaken belief that people can't spot your misspellings and odd grammar. I've been counseled to just leave you alone, which is why I've not visited your other websites. I should just ignore you, but I can't help myself. You're such an easy target.

But anytime you wish to engage in serious debate, rather than mud-slinging, I'll be glad to debate you on the possibility of Native Americans excavating a mile-and-a-half long tunnel underneath Mahone Bay, this after they excavated one hundred feet or more of the Money Pit as merely a decoy. Or have you changed your theory in the last two weeks?


Of course I am, but only secondarily. My first mission is to uncover the truth.

BTW: Are you still looking for $1.5 million in backing for your Birch Island theory?


Well, I do know Tank, and Jo, and D'Arcy, and n4N, but only as much as I know you, Keith. I know them from their posts on various websites, where their true nature invariably comes to the fore. I know them for the way they try and help people with the truth, and lend much-needed guidance to those who have fallen into self-delusion. I know them for their ceaseless efforts to find out the real mystery behind Oak Island, rather than promoting their own personal theories.

As I said, I know them, Keith, just as I know you.


Oh, you must mean Frank Pandozzi, of Pandozzi Productions. He's the documentary filmmaker who plans on using your theory for a documentary on Oak Island. Or has he changed his mind, now that he's seen how you do your research: by ripping others who have spent decades on this topic, and rearranging your theory du jour every time someone comes up with another inconvenient fact to trip you up?

He did reply to me before, very politely. I'd be happy to communicate him anytime he chooses.


Au contraire. I have all the love I can handle with my family. Any and all the friends I have outside of them is just gravy.


Keith, if you plan on using big words like "slither," you really should check out a good dictionary first, so you can find out what they mean.


And you are? (:^D)


I do have one endorsement I highly value, from Danny Hennigar. You remember him, don't you, Keith? He hosted you in his own home after you hitchhiked half-way across Canada and appeared without warning on his doorstep, helped you with food and lodging, introduced you to friends and associates in Nova Scotia, and supported you on the Oak Island Forum. He's the same one who tried to steer you in the right direction, and you treat him like -- well, I think you've used that word in your post already.

I have faith in my writing ability, Keith, just as you have faith in your ability to attract fundraisers to your investment scheme. We'll see who gets to the finish line first.


Now, Keith, people have warned you about this already: if you stop taking your medicine, those nasty snake dreams will just get worse and worse.

TemplarScribe

templarscribe

I dont know who you are talking to, all I am saying you are of shady character. I am not that native dude you are jealous of' I am merly saying any book you write would be crapy.

0ther people here think so to

Sure Keith, whatever you say.

To Andy:

If you feel a need to delete Keith's new login and his current posts, you're more than welcome to delete my responses as well.

TS

Templarscribe

what are rambling on about, I just made a comment about your bogus ploy to make a crapy book, and you go native on me?

templarscribe

Do you have in writting you have darcy o'conners or Danny hennigar or even jo-ans endorsments, or is this a handshake arrangement you conjored up, because I see no express permission you provided from any of one of these parties you mentioned? do you plan to mention anyone of these peoples or simalarities of character people in your fantisy book for them to be mocked.

I noticed you mentioed a guy who uses the moniker n4N. If I'm not mistaken, that's the guy who posted about 50 images of oak trees on Jo whatsername's joke of a forum. Let me tell you, if you consider HIM a credible oak Island theorist then I have some serious concerns about your judgement.
That yutz said that I would be reading in the papers about him being inside a vault below Oak Island. That was well over a year ago. I can't tell you how surprised I am not to have seen that story yet. Just another nut who fits in perfectly on whatsername's forum.
I am literally the ONLY person I have ever heard of who actually has a realistic theory about Oak Island. Of course, all the nuts are threatened by this and react in a predictably hostile manner.
It's a good thing people have to actually go to all the trouble of registering on whatsername's forum in order to see the content. That means less people will be exposed to the rampant lunacy contained therein.

Cheese Burger to go

Yeah’ really how come people have to join that crackpot chat-line the oakislandtreasure.co.u.k to see what’s it about? Its not like they have any well-known treasure hunters hidden behind their log in’ secret circus society. They sound like some kind of Jim Jones Heavens Gate Cult or something; I wonder when the space ships are coming to get them and take them?
“Up up and away”

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http://www.answers.com/cult

See this is what is going on over there this is why the reclusion this spinny chic Joanna that runs the out-fit she is succeeding in feminizing a bunch of phoney girly Oak Island treasure hunter guys into shaving there Money Pits. Then they are sent out to recruit other weak minded characters, if chatlines were airports or bus stations they'ed would be loitering.

CRUSADER

Crusader,



So, has yours grown back yet?



Indy

So I.J have they made you Master cross dresser yet?

Haa haha

Crusader

Acually, they have, and thanks for asking. However, they were so hell-bent on bestowing that honour upon you that I had to force them to give it to me.

Indy