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Hi All:

I'm a new member to this forum but I've been lurking for quite awhile. I've always enjoyed all of your comments and various theories, especially since I've been interested in the Rennes mystery for many, many years.

At the moment, I'm so fascinated (and yes, obsessed) with Patrice Chaplin's book, City of Secrets. She presents many new theories that I haven't heard anywhere else, especially about the portals into other dimensions and Sauniere's attempts to find them.

Okay... here's the thing... I heard Patrice being interviewed on Coast To Coast on Feb 8th. She said that Sauniere's mission was to find and open up the portal on Mount Canigou and that's why he built the tower in Rennes. By aligning the tower in Rennes with the one already in Girona, an opening into another dimension would open up on the middle point between the two which is on the summit of Mount Canigou. But Sauniere failed and didn't find the portal.

Now she also said that what is inside the portal on Mount Canigou is the "unmanifest messiah". When Ian, the host of C2C asked her what the "unmanifest messiah" was, she said she didn't know but the cabbalists she knew talked alot about it. She said that "the unmanifest messiah will come through the portal when the world is ready." Patrice also stated that (and I quote) "part of the WORK of Sauniere and the society was to make the PREPARATION for the ARRIVAL of the Unmanifest Messiah which is there and waiting but we are not ready to receive."

On Feb 29th, Patrice was on another radio show called Rumormillsnews.com and near the end of her interview, she stated that what was in the portal on Mount Canigou was the "ANTICHRIST". She was specific.

So what she's saying is that the "unmanifest messiah" is really "the antichrist" (according to whatever new knowledge Patrice had learnt since her C2C interview). Patrice also said that Sauniere had work to do which was to leave "the code" of how to reach the portal and what was in the portal was the antichrist. "That's what is written", she said. So basically she's saying that Sauniere was leaving a code in his church of how to open the portal on Mount Canigou in order to allow the antichrist to come through.

Now if what Patrice is saying is true (and she may not be, who knows???), then what the church at Rennes is, is a church for the antichrist???? Could this be? Could this be what Sauniere was trying to say?

I started thinking about this and about the church itself. Don't the Stations of the Cross go in an "anti-clockwise" pattern inside the church as opposed to regular churches which have the Stations going in a "clockwise" direction??? Was Sauniere saying that this church is for the "antichrist" and that's why the Stations go in the opposite direction?? "Anti"-clockwise for the "Anti"-Christ???

And there is one Station where both Joseph and Mary are each holding a baby?? Two babies??? Is that because Sauniere is telling us that there are two Christs??? There's a Christ and an Antichrist?? Could this be the key that unlocks the code to the church at Rennes.... that the church is really dedicated to the Antichrist... to this "unmanifest messiah" on Mount Canigou "ready to come through when the world is ready"????

And at the front door of the church, it states, "This place is terrible". Was Sauniere saying this because his church was really dedicated to the antichrist??

I'm not saying I believe in an antichrist and a Second Coming of Christ (but who knows in this crazy world) but maybe Sauniere and his fellow society members believed in it?? Is this what Sauniere was about? Was he a "negative person" who wanted to usher in the Antichrist OR did he think he was doing something good because before "Christ" could come back to the world, the Antichrist would have to come first with the Apocalypse... so Sauniere was helping to bring in the Apocalypse first??? I mean... who knows???

Anyway, I'd appreciate any of your thoughts on this new theory... and since you all know the Rennes Church better than me, are there any other clues in the church that would point to "an antichrist"????

And I'm glad to be a new member of this forum...

Anna

its on page 119 of archaic England by Harold Bayley

But I understand the idea of portals
some doors should not be opened

Hi there Anna, welcome to the forum.
One of my lines of enquiry at the moment connect with COS and it's to do with the apparitions of "La Dama de la Copa", which seem to be a side effect of the ritual, whether or not they are a "desired" side effect however, is another matter.

Hello Whiteknight, welcome aboard. City of Secrets is so full of...well, "secrets", isn't it?

Now, here's a real mystery that I don't think even Patrice Chaplin herself counted on coming to light:

In chapter 22 Patrice finds a "mysterious" letter printed on stationery from the Hotel Eden au Lac in Montreux, Switzerland. This happens right before she heads back to London to divorce her husband. In chapter 23, we pick up again on her return to Girona "four years later" in 1972, so the unsettling letter would have been found in 1968. It is reproduced on pages 135 and 136 in the book.

The letter reads:

"Since the death of my grandmother, I have decided that the wisest solution is to transfer the materials to FD. I understand that this is perhaps not what she would have wanted, but in today’s world that can hardly enter my considerations. GT has assured me that the Vatican was always aware of its existence. ‘The friends’ here as well as in Girona have advanced the theory that it involves one of the biggest secrets of our time, of all times and I am intent on burying it. Upon my word, let someone else find it. Furthermore, they’re challenging my rights.
Consequently, could you see that the attached instructions and documents are transmitted to the person named above.
Your friend, CCC and Marie Corvese.
P.S. The scandal that could break wouldn’t be good for anyone."

Got all that?

Now, here's the mystery: why would the imprint on this hotel stationery read "Hotel Eden au Lac" in 1968 when the hotel wasn't so named until it was bought by Carlo Mercurio in 1974? In 1968 it was still called the "Grand Hotel Eden."

And - why does this piece of hotel stationery from 1968 have a fax number imprinted on it?



The Stations of the Cross do indeed run counter-clockwise along the walls in Saunière's church - just as they do in 99.9% of all Catholic churches.



No, there is not. The Stations of the Cross depict scenes from the Crucifixion, not the Nativity.



The phrase is taken from Genesis 28:17:

Terribilis est locus iste: hic domus Dei est, et porta caeli: et vocabitur aula Dei.

The phrase is also found in the Introit to the Tridentine Mass (i.e., pre- Novus Ordo), and is recited in the Rite of Dedication for all Catholic Churches.

TCP

Hi Anna, From the standpoint of what Sauniere( and friends) may have been doing at Rennes- le- Chateau, Patrice is pretty darn close. She may know the whole story but is keeping it to herself. There are many who are quite critical of her understandings. Many who may not have the abilities she has.
I've read the book twice myself.......have listened to the radio shows and was also very surprised at her alluding to the anti-christ. I believe she said that that was what her publishers made her take out of the book. Anyway.......welcome to the forum. I am also a huge fan of Patrice. Is the church at Rennes a portal of some kind. You're darn right it is! Lori

There are many who are critical of the inconsistencies in her "evidence" as well. Why would an author resort to fabricating documentary evidence if her story checked out?

TCP

She's saving Soviet jewelry!

Thanks, Lori. I thought I was the only one who had listened to Patrice's radio show where she mentioned the antichrist since I haven't heard anyone else say anything about it. It's good to know you were listening too!

There's also another book out there by Elizabeth Van Buren called "Refuge of the Aocalypse: Doorway Into Other Dimensions" where she talks about Rennes and the surrounding area being some sort of portal.

I think there's some truth in all of this. I certainly think the Rennes mystery is more than just a treasure cache buried somewhere. The ultimate mystery is esoteric.

Thanks, Iovuian. That's certainly a different take on the phrase and something to think about.

Hi Sheila... I too am fascinated with the Lady of the Cup apparitions associated with these rituals mentioned in COS. You may be interested in a passage in a book I've got by Elizabeth B. Jenkins. It's called "Initiation: A Woman's Spiritual Adventure in the Heart of the Andes." The book is really about her true journey through Peruvian mysticism but on page 93, she says that she is praying in a church when she has a vision. She writes,

"My attention moves to the right-hand side of the altar and there, equally tall and stunning, also floating off the ground, is another figure. She is wearing a blue robe with a white hood and mantle. Her face is radiant, her hands open, extended in a gesture of supplication. Around her head twelve stars are shining and blinking, circulating in a clockwise direction. She is beautiful. She is the Virgin Mary. The Cosmic Mother. She is the emanation of divine female energy..... All at once my attention is drawn to the altar between the two figures (the other figure is a nature spirit).... Before me and in the very center of the altar, a large golden chalice materializes in slow motion to the sound of a single bell. And then, holy choirs of angels, sacred song and the bell; and over and over and over and over again she appears, the Holy Grail reappears reappears reappears reappears on a hundred, on a thousand.. no... on every single altar in every single church in the world. She returns. Singing. She returns."

I thought this was very interesting as the author is describing her own vision of The Lady of the Cup and what she looks like. The twelve stars circulating in a clockwise fashion is also fascinating as I've seen statues of the Virgin Mary with a halo of stars and she's dressed in a blue robe and white hood. Are these depicting The Lady of the Cup??

And I also thought this vision was interesting because she mentions hearing a "bell" as the chalice appears. As you know, COS talks about a "chime" being heard when the ritual is practised and the Lady appears.

This book was written in 1997, long before COS was published.

Andy... if you're reading this.... I know you're friends with Patrice. Is there anyway you can ask her about this "Antichrist" issue that she brought up on the radio show and ask her what she knows about it and it's association with Sauniere and his church??? Would you be willing to report back to us and tell us what she says???

Thanks,
Anna

Oh yes, it certainly has been brought to her attention. She blamed it on her editors. I guess if my editors overlooked a dead giveaway like that, I'd be pretty upset too!

TCP

Thanks whiteknight. Will add that book to the pile.

Hi lori:

Be forewarned though. The book I mentioned above is really about Peruvian mysticism. The author only mentions her vision of The Lady of the Cup on 2 pages and I've basically copied the best part for you above. It was a complete fluke that I found this description since I wasn't reading the book for COS research. I wouldn't want you to buy the book thinking it had alot more information on this apparition than it does.

Thanks for the heads up. Peruvian mysticism sounds like fun. Still think I'll give it a go!

Then go for it, lori!! You'll enjoy it. The Lady of the Cup vision is on pages 93 & 94.

welcome whitenight

Thanks, Paula! I appreciate the warm welcome!

Anna

The Peruvian Andes are quite high + steep. It ain't a place for taking a casual stroll. These folk have their own home brew chaw made from coca plants. They also have peyote down on the flatlands. Life in Peru ain't a bed of roses.

The expression Rocky Mountain High is based on these 2 factors, hi-elevation and getting stoned. Since the writer did not mention ingesting any hallucinogens like Eco sometimes leaves out in his own reveries, I find it a huge leap in some kind of faith to call what the writer saw an apparition, much less a vision, but definitely more in line with any number of hypnotics, hallucinogens or just being drunk while at a hi-altitude.

It would be nice if this experience was witnessed by a unbiased observer, or could be replicated if we knew what substances that writer was on.

Medications like diuretics, heparin to prevent blood coagulation and diminish hemoglobin can create these effects as well. I would never give a commercial writers' take on something like this for real. There are just too many other things as I mentioned to consider and rule out. If the writer is not willing to divulge their medicinal intake for what ever reason, their tale is just that a tale.

It comes across like something Philip K Dick would write, and he had an extremely fertile imagination. Just look at how many Hollyweird movies have been made based on his sci-fi. He didn't try to fob off anything he confabulated as reality. To him everything was a sort of surreal sci-fi experience. Just read about how he describes what he believes. He ain't a believing Christian.

Jesus wept....