Arcadia Discussion Zone

that was AWESOME!!!
I'm working my way up in my research step by step
and I'm getting closer and closer to Nova Scotia and Canada

I found this painting in Arcadia church


Its Saint Anne Joachim and Mary
the picture says it Mary was educated she had a mind
She carried the Davidic line through Anne

in some cultures its patriarchal line that chooses who rules but many cultures like the Egyptians went through the matriarchal line

I think the Indians were allies of the French and that connection was also in bloodlines and faith

I guess one of the questions is did the Indians believe that the matriarchal line was the one for kingship

really get you all interested

there is a Saint Phillipine Duchesne

Duchesne means "of OAK"

She is one of the few American woman saints

her symbol of the Oak leaf

and she was very special indeed

Roger thanks
but it is Arcadia Academy in Arcadia

it beautiful

louvian,



Two possibilities I can offer. If you subscribe to the theory that Henry Sinclair sailed to Nova Scotia in 1398, and the natives believed him to be Glooscap (follow this link for more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glooscap), then it would make sense that they would eventually adopt a form of his flag he flew on his ship, which was supposedly that of the Templars.

A second possbility could be that the natives adopted the flag flown by Columbus, which was supposedly a red cross/white background combination. It's not likely that Columbus made contact with the Mi'kmaq when he made landfall, as I believe it was a bit to the south of their territory, however even back then, word did travel, so the Mi'kmaq most likely were made aware of his visit at some point.

I found in the strangest of places what their flag means

Wyvern - the Druid kundalini and the fire-breathing dragon - the kundalini of the earth goddess.
The purpose of both dragons, inner and outer, is the same. They convey the creative fire, the fertilising breath that brings life and abundance - both to the individual and to the land. For all sorts of reasons beyond our understanding, these dragons have been allowed to sleep. But in the old days they were awake - and it was the old sage, the Druid or Druidess, who knew how to direct and utilise this inner and outer fire, to creative ends. The quest for personal fertility - of ideas, of children, of song and music - and of earthly fertility in abundant crops - were united in the ancients, and need to be united by us again as we try to extricate ourselves from the wasteland we have created within and around us.
And it is in the two colours of white and red that we find the clue to this fertility we need to rediscover: for white and red symbolise male and female, sperm and blood, moon and sun. Still to this day in somewhere as far away as Bulgaria, an old territory of the Celts, everyone will be seen wearing small pom-poms of white and red in March, in conscious recognition of the coming Spring, and in unconscious recognition of the Spring Equinox on March 22nd and of the need to unite the two principles to create an abundant life.

http://druidry.org/obod/theorder/pcg-druidway.html

Wyvern is French

Wivere derives from the old Gaulish Wouivre, meaning spirit, and this became Vouivre in certain parts of France, where the dragon became depicted as half-woman, half winged snake - a fitting symbol of the goddess' energy which snakes the land.

Montreal was one of the rebel cities

Montréal,Originally called Ville-Marie ('City of Mary'),[6] the city takes its present name from Mount Royal,


Towns such as Castelnaudary, Fanjeaux, Montréal, Limoux, Castres, Albi or Lombers surrendered without a real fight. Montfort pushed beyond the Trencavel vicomtes and attacked lands of the comte de Foix (Mirepoix, Foix and Saverdun). However, some the towns revolted against Montfort: Castres, Lombers, Montréal, etc. Cathari and 'faidits' (lords who dispossessed of their lands) took refuge in Minerve, Termes or Cabaret and launched counter attacks against what was left of Montfort's army.

Thanks Indiana Jones

and to think the rebel city was the name they picked

Would he have had a reason to fly the flag of Orkney then? http://www.orkneyjar.com/news/flagdebate.htm Take note of this part "Mr Foden told The Orcadian that the flag had not been “created” in 1994, as is often said, but has actually been around since the 14th century." I guess the Indians didn't like the yellow background though.

Orkney was part of Norway in 1398, when Sinclair made his voyage. That was the flag of the Kalmar Union of Norway and was used in Orkney http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dnkce ... union.html . See also this http://everything2.com/title/Henry%2520 ... 2520Orkney

Technically, the above really isn't an original arguement from me, but rather an arguement I believe was put forward by Steven Sora in his book about the Knights Templar/Oak Island connection. That said, I don't have his book nearby to verify that, so I may have read it somewhere else.

To answer your question, well, I don't have an answer - in fact, I wasn't even aware that the Templars used more than one banner.

interesting twist JB1717

"St Magnus Cross"
St. Magnus war a monk of the monastery St. Gallen (Switzerland). About his life we know only few reliable data. Too much has been distorted in later legends. Some say that he was born around 700 AD and died on September, 6th 772. According to others 750 was the year of his death. Neither do we know anything about his nationality. The "official" Vita St. Magni claims that he was Irish, but several historical facts oppose that oppinion. He could have been Alemannian, but most probable he was of Romanic descent. Neglecting the miracolous accessories of his Vita we may recognize some historical roots.

During his peregrinatio Magnus worked many miracles. He had to fight serpents and dragons both in Kempten and at Rosshaupten near Waltenhofen.

Kempten was deserted when Magnus arrived there. No one dared to stay even for one night, for this place was haunted by all kinds of serpents and worms. Magnus neglected his companions´ warnigns and took up his abode right outside the town. Not for long they had kneeled down for prayer when a huge serpent - named Boas - rushed towards them. Tozzo and the formerly blind man climbed a nearby tree to get out of this peril. But Magnus and Theodor awaited the beast making the sign of the cross. Magnus grasped a cross and the holy staff of St. Gallus (who according to the Vita was his teacher).


Built in 1137AD from alternating bands of local red and yellow sandstone, the cathedral of Saint Magnus

its very similiar story of St George and the dragon and St Michael and the dragon


See any Pirates up there
Jean Lafite had quite a smuggling trade going on

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_Arms_of_Nova_Scotia



The Coat of Arms of the Province of Nova Scotia is the oldest provincial achievement of arms in Canada, and the oldest British coat of arms outside Great Britain. It was granted in 1625 by King Charles I for the first Scottish colony on the Canadian mainland. The arms were also borne by the Baronets of Nova Scotia, a chivalric order.

They fell out of use when Nova Scotia joined the Confederation in 1867, but were restored in 1929.

The arms were originally granted in 1625 by King Charles I[1] as part of a Scottish settlement attempt in Nova Scotia led by Sir William Alexander.[2] The arms of Nova Scotia were in use until the mid 19th century.



Crest

Two hands, one naked and the other clad in armor, holding a thistle, representing Scotland, and laurel, representing peace.[4]

Shield

The shield, a blue saltire on a white field, is a simple reversal of the Scottish flag (a white saltire, Saint Andrew's cross, on a blue field). It is also charged with an inescutcheon bearing the royal arms of Scotland, a gold shield with a red rampant lion in a double border decorated with fleurs de lis.

Compartment

The compartment includes thistles as well as the trailing arbutus or mayflower, the floral emblem of Nova Scotia, added when the arms were reassumed in 1945.

Supporters

The supporters are the unicorn from the royal arms of Scotland which is now borne by the British monarchy, and a member of the Mi'kmaq First Nation indigenous to Nova Scotia, who in the heraldic language of the 17th century was blazoned a "savage."

Motto

Munit haec et altera vincit: One [hand] defends and the other conquers, placed above the shield in the Scottish tradition.

I see where they get the New Scotland from the Mi' kmaq were not treated well here but they were acknowledged

Interesting factoid;

"There are still about 100 Baronets of Nova Scotia in existence, many of them descendants of those who once owned land there - land which they never set foot upon. In Halifax’s Victoria Park a cairn dedicated to Sir William Alexander stands at one end, with a statue of Robert Burns at the other end.

Richard Oliphant of Condie advises that Nova Scotia baronets are senior to any other baronets in rank in Scotland and are entitled to wear a medal denoting that they are NS baronets." http://www.electricscotland.com/canada/ ... scotia.htm

i found family names on the Baroni list

too cool

that was Awesome

I thought this was interesting



A saltire, Saint Andrew's Cross, or crux decussata (though it is never called the last in heraldry), is a heraldic symbol in the form of a diagonal cross or letter X. Saint Andrew is said to have been martyred on such a cross.
The saltire appears on vexilla that are represented consistently on coinage of Christian emperors of Rome, from the fourth century. Anne Roes found it on coins of Constantius II, Valentinian, Jovian, Gratianus, Valens, Arcadius, Constantine III, Jovinus, Theodosius I, Eugenius and Theodosius II, though she searched only coins at the British Museum.[1] In the ninth and tenth century the saltire was revived in Constantinople as a symbol of Christian-imperial power.

Anne Roes detected the symbol, which often appears with balls in the quadrants formed by the arms of the chi-cross, in standards represented on coins of Persepolis, and she suggested that early Christians endorsed its solar symbolism as appropriate to Christ, and suggested "although it cannot be proved, that in the white saltire of St. Andrew we still have a reminiscence of the old standard of the Persepolitan kingdom."[2]

The blue saltire on white design is featured on the Coat of Arms of Nova Scotia, Canada and its flag (Nova Scotia was originally a French colony, but was given to the British in 1713 with the signing of the Treaty of Utrecht, where it was renamed Nova Scotia), but the blue used for Nova Scotia is generally a light blue. Similarly, the flags of the Spanish island of Tenerife and the remote Colombian islands of San Andrés and Providencia also use a white saltire on a blue field.


According to legend, in 832 A.D. King Óengus (II) (or King Angus) led the Picts and Scots in battle against the Angles under a king named Athelstan near modern-day Athelstaneford in East Lothian. King Angus and his men were surrounded and he prayed for deliverance. During the night Saint Andrew, who was martyred on a saltire cross, appeared to Angus and assured him of victory. On the following morning a white saltire against the background of a blue sky appeared to both sides. The Picts and Scots were heartened by this, but the Angles lost confidence and were defeated. This saltire design has been the Scottish flag ever since.


so lets say the Scots saw a different cross not + but X

and I could see where they would think + cross was Rome's cross
of which the Scots had no love far
where this X would be there twist

Hey I was researching some of the Early French settler families of Acadia

and found a family name Saulnier

rench: occupational name for an extractor or seller of salt, from an agent derivative of Old French sal, sel (from Latin salina).

FOREBEARS: A Saulnier is recorded in Acadia in 1738 with the secondary surnames Soumis and Beausoleil.

Saunier
French: variant of Saulnier.

Did Sauniere have family among the Acadians?

http://www.houseofnames.com/nameresults.asp?item=JPG-1001-300&sId=&surname=Saulnier&origin=FR

This is the Saulnier family crest
The Pentacle and the rose
How appropriate

Madeline Saulnier
settled in Carolina 1695-1696

Francoise Saulnier-Duverdier who married Bernard Dumouchel dit Laroche - Married in Montreal, Quebec, Nov. 22, 1697-
Francoise Saulnier - Duverdier born abt. 1646 in Paris, France - Parents are Gilbert Duverdier and a Antoinette from Paris, France - Francoise was born about 1646 in Paris France - she came to Canada ? - then married Pierre Lorrain dit Lachapelle Nov. 10, 1659, then married a Jean Roy Nov. 7, 1687, then married a Thomas Morteseigne Feb. 5, 1690 and then married Bernard Dumouchel dit Laroche Nov. 22, 1697 - all married in Montreal, Quebec,

Lorin Lachapelle Pierre, master carpenter, married Francoise Du Verdier Saunier in Montreal on October 1659, and it states that this is the daughter of Gilbert and Antoinette Forchein of St Sulpice de Paris.

Did Sauniere write any letters to America?

montreal...
mont royale
...many marriages there...can trace my french side to 1780's if i recall...
would love to compare notes

it is such an interesting and lovely place.
it is home and i miss it.

thanks lov for posting...

These families were one of the early settlers

I was there for a convention and the people were so friendly

It is beautiful

Lovuian,I am also a newbe to this site.I see that your research leads you toward N.S..I have been led there as well,or more specifically the Annapolis Basin area,which I have expored last year.There is a book written by the late John (Bear) Macneil,called "Basket Stories"which details many conections between the Mi'kmaq (first nations peoples)of N.S. and the Templars.I myself have seen a poster on Cadillac Mountian in Maine of a Mi'kmaw woman wearing a chaperon style of headgear popular with the 12th century Cathars.We know that the chaperon in grail lore was used to designate one who prtects the grail.I have found many other connections putting the final resting place of the Holy Grail in Nova Scotia,but not at Oak Island,I should add. Bill Woodward

Hey Wayward

It is wonderful to see someone researching this also

I think the MikMaq connection is so obvious
their flag with the Red Cross on white (crusader Cross)
their dedication to the French Arcadians

the intermarriage
I think Nova Scotia is definitely a land where the people who lived there brought their legends with them...plus the baronies of the Templars (King James gave when he became King still remain) Scotland and France where never good friends with the British

Thanks Lovuian,My research had began in France but the available clues soon led me to N.S..For instance in the 2nd Poussin work of the Arcadia theme,btw,the one without temptation.The one shepherd is clearly showing us the word should be Acadia and at the time (mid 17th century)Acadia would have been the most talked about subject in France.The tenniers painting ,Temptation of St, Anthony(the petite version)has a subliminal map of N.S. on the cave wall,complete with the Bay of Fundy as the window.There is a ley line (ley lines are not necessarily supernatural)connecting Hagars grave to the site of Mary Magdalene's current resting place.Of course Hagar was the most maligned woman of the Hebrew Scriptures and if the Magdalene was the wife of Jesus,she would have been the most maligned woman of the Greek Scriptures.Anyhow that is just some of my research. Bill

I have also read the Basket Stories. They are very interesting. Follow the long bow. The first people on the planet to use bows and to domesticate the horse were the Scythians. How did Scythian technology (Caspian Sea region) end up on North America?

Now, do a search for Haplogroup X. It will fit in with the geographic areas of your research.

What if your oak island treasure was moved to another Oak Island?
http://oak-island.com/
Oak Island and Bald Head Island, NC were known hangouts for Black Beard and his pirates. The islands are also close to Charleston, SC...known home of Freemasonry in America and headquarters for the Council of Nine that oversees all international Freemasonry lodges.

Thanks for the reply Serendipity,yeah"Basket Stories"was a very interesting read.Have you read "City of Hope"about"Joan (Hope) Harris"concerning a Templar castle at New Ross?The city of New Ross is a little over 15miles up the Gold river from Oak Island.btw,I don't subscribe to the standard Oak Island theorys.I am thinking the Island was used as a port by the Templars arriving with Holy Grail families in the very early 14th century,with even some in the late 13th.I am not sure if the"Haplogroup X"theory has any bearing on my grail search as it concerns a time period much older then what I posit for the populating of N.S. by these particular europeans.I am sure that other europeans must have wandered into North America at an earlier time which would of course explain that link,although I think I will look into it more closely now that you have brought it up.

Hi Wayward...it's a pleasure to meet you.

Well, I believe that the chivalric organization that we seek is much older than the Templars. I also believe that the group of Knights we are looking for are women. I also believe that these women protect another line of "Star-fire" producing women...whose blood does indeed have powers. I also believe that this story is far, far older than any of us imagine...it may even be a story that is tens of thousands of years old.

Lastly, I believe that the ancients that preserved these Star-Fire women are coming to retrieve them in the very near future.

How's that for truly bizarre?

The Order of the Thistle does predate the Templars, and it may predate them by quite a large amount of time...the original date of the creation of the order has been lost in the mists of time. The Order of the Thistle is Scot, and the ancient Scots claim to be from Scythia.

The Scythians were the first to domesticate the horse and the first to develop Knights armor...the Scythian societies were ruled by warrior priestesses. The men were slaves. Haplogroup X can be found in the Scythians, the Basques and Native American Indians. The Haplogroup DID NOT follow the Siberian land bridge...which means that very ancient man knew the entire planet...and had no trouble getting around from continent to continent.

The book of Genesis speaks of the male angels coming to take the women of earth...were there no horny women angels wanting the men of earth, or was it simply a planet of women from the very beginning?

ZZ Top...Planet of Women
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xc0ju_zz-top-planet-of-woman_music

you are right serendipity,that is truly bizarre,but you know what,I would have considered the things I am into truly bizarre four years ago.I also have questioned chapter 6 of genesis,as a matter of fact I can't seem to find anybody who does really understand it.At the present my quest goes no further then the Holy Grail itself,but I am open to almost anybodys theories.