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, I have a book suggestion for you:

Ok, i'll get it.

In fact, i just bought it.

For £6.87p

Sounds like a bargain ...

Excellent! I'd be interested in hearing your impressions when you're finished.

TCP

Marcielle from "Mars" who was worshipped there.

No, the translator is not my source, I`m surprised that you do not know who it is, he`s no friend of TCP apparently - the source, that is.

What`s behind the walled- up section of the Notre Dame de Marcielle vaults I wonder? My info. is from a book by a fellow that TCP has a problem with, he`s a famous author on the subject....

I`m reading Baigent`s 2006 book, he`s crawling through those Oracle of the Dead tunnels near a volcano. That guy is nuts! I`m sure glad for his explorations though - fascinating.

And isn't it strange how people put two and two together and make six.

Perhaps you can point out to me the point where anyone said that Notre Dame de Marseille takes it's name from Marseilles.

The spelling is correct by the way, at least according to the IGN mapmakers and the people who made the road signs. But hey what do they know?

Tell you what lets bore the pants off everyone and start a "Oh no it isn't - Oh yes it is pantomime".

Every now and then we can bring in the Crista just in case we the dumbed down public start to forget.

So the worshipers go to the well and with a few drops wash their eyes.

Christian practice is it?

As Boudet said what tradition passed from generation to generation makes them do this.

Perhaps it is symbolic and they are trying to wash the lies from their eyes that they saw whilst they were in the church.

So tell me about Boudet and the washing of the eyes. Or doesn't your disinformation plans extend into relevant pieces of evidence that erks your agenda?

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Roger

The Church wasn't celebrating these pagan festivals, it was replacing them. The Church was replacing pagan forfeiture, of which blood sacrifice was central, with its own form of forfeiture, ascetism and mortification. Apologies if I sound like a broken record here, but the key to understanding this religious revolution lies in the assumed revelations once associated with pagan ritual-activity.

John

Roger

"Method of Hiding" - can you expand upon that. I've been busy of late and must have missed something.
Once Constantine had provided Christianity with the authority of Rome it was able to expand, and in order todo that it had to wage a spiritual war against pagan beliefs and practices. However, during this process it could not avoid adopting the ritual trappings of paganism, including its universal festival calandar. The mythology surrounding the adventures of the Churches early evangelists is extremely informative in understanding this process. I have much more work to do in this area, but St Patrick springs to mind as a prime example of the ritual issues the Church confronted.

John

Is it "Marceille" or Marcielle"? I`ve seen it spelled both ways.

How do you fellows know one another, were you all at Oxford or something?

Thank you for that instant coffee solution, made mainly to appease yourself than to impress anyone else.

Not even close.



Why celebrate the birth of Jesus at all since we have no idea what time of year he was born. No the reason we celebrate Christmas is ethnic cleansing. By replacing all the previous feasts and celebrations you literally swamp the way of life of the subjects you are attempting to control. For the controlling authority the church wishes to be it needs to wipe out any individuality of the people it wishes to subjugate.



That pathetic attempt at intimidation doesn't work old chum. Surely you must have realised that by now. Probably it is the fact that you don't know any other way to conduct reasoned argument and when your first initial bluff doesn't work you're left like a fish out of water.

If the church had any desire to celebrate the Kingly sacrifice of Jesus then it would have fixed it to a specific date (like Christmas, Michelmas, Annuciation etc) but no it deliberately makes it linked to the Spring Equinox and the moon's movements, precisely like the witches do. Please note that I did not use the phrase Wicca.

I would posit that the spiritual war was waged on Christian heresy. The Church used a more subtle form of persuasion when it came to pagans, merely putting a Christian gloss on old pagans seasonal rites and legends. Hagiographies of the saints are frequently nothing more than application of this gloss on old stories about pagan deities and spirits.

TCP

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Marceille. "Mar-say" vs. "Mar-see-el".



Um...why, yes, we all met at Oxford. Isn't that right, Roger? Oxford, dear-old Oxford...

TCP

Alice at Oxford - my sister went to the summer school program for bishops at Oxford for 2 summers. She had cocktails in the Alice in Wonderland garden there and sent me the book about Alice (for whom I am named).
You are such kidders, I can`t imagine where you learned all of these things that you discuss on here except at Oxford, like on Masterpiece Theater.
So I guess you`re not really coming to Tucson, I told all the kids in the yard that the King of the Pagans was coming in a fancy car, oh well....

By the way, I think the translator "got religion" in Australia. Have you ever heard the Baptists preach against the Merovingians? Oh dear....at least he did not burn it.

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Love the swirly brown logo

Actually, maybe it was on Masterpiece Theatre after all, perhaps the second season of Upstairs, Downstairs...in fact, I don't think I ever attended Oxford...I think I went to Cal State Long Beach...



Sorry, no. I think the kids would have been disappointed to learn that the pagan king drives a Saturn.



I've seen the "Watch Pair" disassemble Merovingians - are they Baptists?

TCP

I`ll have to look up "Watch Pair" on Google, they are probably Baptists. They`ve been raging against the "Merovingian Conspiracy" (International Bankers, Bilderburgers, etc.) since at least the `80s.
What?! No glitter car that jumps? You need to arrive in a Lowrider car to make an impression down here.

Oh yes, that reads like Baptists. They`re very big on Merov line of the Anti-Christ. Oh dear....

The Baptists go after the Merovingians, the Utah church, and the EU which they say is the Beast that is going to brand everyone.

When I wrote my article about Notre-Dame-de-Marceille and Limoux, my editor put a photo of Marseille with it which was very pretty but it was not the right place. That was o.k. because Notre-Dame-de-Marceille is supposed to be a secret anyway.

Thank you so much for answering the question of whose heart it was that was buried there, the Lord of Hautpoul.

On my recent trip away I popped in to Notre Dame de Marceille, this has been covered before, but I thought I would refresh the topic for anyone who hasn't been.
The chapel is a well known place for pilgrims, who came to see amongst other things its famous Black Madonna. The original of which was stolen ( I think, around 2008 ).

Thanks to RLCResearch.com for the picture, http://www.rlcresearch.com/2009/01/21/n ... ?nggpage=2 .This has now been replaced by this ( quite horrid ) remake. In the Visitor's guide it mentions nothing of this, but does say " To the left of the high altar are two chapels, and in the Chapel of the Virgin is the Miraculous Statue. This statue was probably made in the 11th or 12th century and had been buried in the earth until it was dug up in the 12th or 13th century. It is 55cm high and is displayed in a niche, framed by a reredos of gilded wood. Originally it could be touched, but nowadays it is protected by a grille. It is a graceful image of Mary holding an equally graceful child on her knees. Tens of thousands of pilgrims have visited this Madonna and Child, in order to venerate, admire, understand and pray."

Some other things of interest are, a painting of St Antoine ( some could say without temptation ? ). Thanks again to RLCresearch.com who's picture is a lot better than the ten I tried to take, http://www.rlcresearch.com/2009/01/21/n ... ?nggpage=2

Also, as mentioned by Sheila here viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3225&p=70608#p70608
The heart of Antoine d'Hautpoul, Lord of Rennes, was removed from his body after his death in 1674 and kept in the Chapel. I don't know if this picture is of this relic, but the statue definitely contains a relic of some kind ( silly me forgot to take a picture of the writing underneath , if someone could verify this it would be appreciated ).
Something else of interest is the Chapel's links to the Lazarist movement, as shown here by the veneration of a local Lazarist monk.

A fascinating place that I would urge you to visit if you get the chance, please correct me on any errors I may have made or on any additional research material.
Regards
Nic

Ya missed sumthin' significant here Nic...

Jean-Gabriel Perboyre

Profile
One of eight children born to Pierre Perboyre and Marie Rigal. At age 16 he followed his brother Louis to the seminary, and entered the Congregation of the Mission of Saint Vincent on Christmas Day 1818. Ordained in Paris on 23 September 1825. Professor of theology. Seminary rector. Assistant director of novices.

His brother died on a mission to China, and John Gabriel asked to replace him. In March 1835 he sailed for China, and began his mission in Macao in June, 1836. A widespread persecution of Christians began in 1839, the same year England had attacked China. Father John Gabriel was denounced to the authorities by one of his catechumens, arrested, tried on 16 September 1839, tortured by hanging by his thumbs and flogging with bamboo rods, and condemned to death on 11 September 1840. Martyr. China's first saint.

Born
6 January 1802 at Le Puech, near Mongesty, Cahors diocese, southern France

Died
11 September 1840 at China; murdered by being lashed to a cross on a hill named the "red mountain", then strangled with a rope

Beatified
10 November 1889 by Pope Leo XIII

Canonized
2 June 1996 by Pope John Paul II

Readings
O my Divine Savior,
Transform me into Yourself.
May my hands be the hands of Jesus.
Grant that every faculty of my body
May serve only to glorify You.

Above all,
Transform my soul and all its powers
So that my memory, will and affection
May be the memory, will and affections
Of Jesus.

I pray You
To destroy in me all that is not of You.
Grant that I may live but in You, by You and for You,
So that I may truly say, with Saint Paul,
"I live - now not I - But Christ lives in me.

- Saint John Gabriel

http://www.stfrancisenid.com/Saints/09% ... rboyre.htm

Oh what a Gorgeous Basilica
am I wrong Nic when I say it has lots of ships in it
Motifs of ships

hanging everywhere and ships motif

and notice the rose flower behind the statue

and the combination of Rose marble and White
like the red cross on white

Beautiful place
Ya got more pictures lets see them

Hi Jake, I didn't miss the translation of Jean-Gabriel Perboyre's life. I just left it for you guys to read if you wanted to. Here are some more photos from Notre Dame de Marceille.

Note the Ark of the Covenant on the bottom right. Below, one for our Dragon lovers out there. St Louis just for you Lovuian. Finally, the Tabernacle ( I think ) where the Eucharist is kept. Tim, if you are reading, any ideas to the symbol in the centre? ( 313 or JIJ ? )
Regards
Nic

PS, Thanks to Sheila for pointing out my daft typo on the Chapel name . Lesson learned, don't copy and paste from topic names. Now corrected.