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To me they look like ritual elements of an Akelarre, particularly the sun motif. They don't look particularly "Grail-like" or "Cathar" at all, at least to me. But that's just my own observation.

TCP

Fine. Except the questions weren't addressed to you. I guess the conclusion one now makes is that Roger has to have people answer questions for him.

I bet it wasn't written by Voltaire. More of the Hilaire Beloc mode who seems to sanction genocide. You must know now that Roger only goes for biased OPINIONS. The Benedictine Monks is a case in point.

As a measure of how good this website is. Look at the section entitled

Graal à Montségur: Antonon Gadal et Otto Rahn

This title is then followed by the picture of a castle that isn't Montségur.

Since when does Montségur have a round tower on it? That's Puilaurens.

I do like the banner picture on the website though and does bring the thread back on topic.

Someone else who hasn't read the Grail stories.

On the left a head found on a menhir in France. On the right a head found on a menhir in England


On the left an image of a horse and rider in England. On the right an image of horse and rider in France.

The only thing left is the Serpent >>>>>>>>>



Then again you could always look above the riders on the Dalle des Chevaliers

The Serpent at Peyrolles


Stukeley's Serpent at Abiri (Avebury)

"...Serabit el Khadim, a shrine on the Sinai Peninsula close to the great Egyptian turquoise mines, bilingual Egyptian and Semitic inscriptions have been discovered. The inscriptions named the deity once worshiped at the shrine as the Goddess Hathor. In those bilingual inscriptions Hathor was also referred to as Baalat, meaning Lady or Goddess, as the word was then known in Canaan. J. R. Harris wrote of the temple on Sinai and discussed the relationship between the two names of the Goddess as She was known there. He explained, 'Here she [Baalat] was evidently identified with the Egyptian Goddess Hathor at whose temple all the inscriptions were found.' But perhaps most significant is the fact that, on the walls of this shrine, two prayers had been carved into the stone. In both of these the Goddess was invoked -- as the Serpent Lady.

"Sir Flinders Petrie wrote of probable oracles at the enclosures of the Serabit complex. This shrine on the Sinai Peninsula, which lies between Egypt and Canaan, is particularly worth noting since many scholars have suggested that it may have been on the route the Hebrew tribes took upon their exodus from Egypt. The Bible records that it was during this period in the desert that Moses came to possess the 'brazen serpent,' which appeared seven hundred years later in the shrine in Jerusalem. It was eventually destroyed by the Hebrew reformer Hezekiah as a 'pagan abomination,' but it is not inconceivable that it may have come into the possession of the Hebrews at Serabit and even have been accepted temporarily by Moses as a means of placating the Hebrew people.

"Yet this bronze serpent seems to have been identified with the Goddess religion, for the Bible reveals that it was kept in the same temple in Jerusalem where in 700 B.C. we find vessels for Ashtoreth and Baal, the asherah, the house of the sacred women and the women who wept for Tammuz." -- When God Was A Woman, pp. 206-207.




The Chateau at La Serpent

[url=http://cuttingedge.org/free15.htm]
Brazen Serpent................................Moses and Nehushtan[/url]

[url=http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/morals_and_dogma/knight_of_the_brazen_serpent.htm]
Knight of the Brazen Serpent
Scottish Rite 25th Degree [/url]

THIS Degree is both philosophical and moral. While it teaches the necessity of reformation as well as repentance, as a means of obtaining mercy and forgiveness, it is also devoted to an explanation of the symbols of Masonry; and especially to those which are connected with that ancient and universal legend, of which that of Khir-Om Abi is but a variation; that legend which, representing a murder or a death, and a restoration to life, by a drama in which figure Osiris, Isis and Horus, Atys and Cybele, Adonis and Venus, the Cabiri, Dionusos, and many another representative of the active and passive Powers of Nature, taught the Initiates in the Mysteries that the rule of Evil and Darkness is but temporary, and that that of Light and Good will be eternal.
Albert Pike - Morals and Dogmas XV

Thanks for that Roscoe, I haven't seen an image of the Bury St Edmunds cross in nearly 25 years.....how time flies!

You beat me to it Sheila.



The St Michael Ley line featured earlier goes through Bury St Edmunds. Which also of course goes through the heart of the English Grail legend Glastonbury and Stukeley's Serpent Temple at Avebury.

Peyrolles

From the Occitan word

Peyro meaning Standing Stone.



According to a document dated 20 May 1130, the Templars had been present in the area of Peyrolles since 1127, the year in which their first Grand master, Hugues de Payens, had returned from Palestine. This document confirms the transfer of the locality of Peirois or Peyrolles into the hands of the Order. In other words Peyrolles was one of the first pieces of land to be acquired by the Knights Templar on their return from Palestine.

A recent French magazine published a letter from a resident of Peyrolles who said that when he went riding on horseback close to the Standing Stone at Peyrolles the sound of the horses hooves changed to a hollow sound indicating that there MAY be a hollow chamber underneath the Standing Stone.

More on the hollow chamber under the megalith at Peyrolles.

1877, Eugene Stublein in his note “Description d'un voyage aux établissements thermaux de l'arrondissement de Limoux (not to be confused with the apocryphal book which is allotted to him and which is a notorious forgery, namely: “Pierre gravées du Languedoc”) announces the menhir like druidic hones on his road map of the hydropathic establishments of the area.

Lastly, for oldest to my knowledge, in 1867 (i.e. eleven years before the arrival of Boudet at Rennes les Bains), the menhir [at Peyrolles] is summarily announced by J. Delmas in his “Geography de l' Aude”. Here thus for the anteriority of the peulvan with the work of Boudet. But this study of the stones he did not finish; to interest the local scholars what accentuates of as much the omission of this one by Boudet. In July 1896 the Abbé Ancé carried out an excursion to study on the megalith for the company the Société d'Etude Scientifique de l'Aude (in bulletin of the SESA -1900 - Volume XI) then in June 1924 is G. Sicard (correspondent of the Commission of the historic buildings) which for the SESA carries out also an excursion to Arques and Fourtou: “This megalith is just on the Paris meridian line. For Accros of modern charts IGN I specify that the peulvan draws up with approximately 325 meters of meridian of the chart SIGNAL 25 2347 OT. Then why to make it pass on the drawn up stone? Quite simply because it is necessary to take account of the inaccuracy of the charts the state major with the 88.000 ème of the time and of the famous error of Méchain also it began measurement from the arc of the Meridian line towards Barcelona at the beginning of the 19th century (rectified error corrected today). " It is approximately 200 m from the road, opposite the kilometric terminal 65km 5:00. It is out of old limestone, tilted S.S.W and it is raised above the ground to 2m50. Its greater width is of 0.75 m, its thickness of 0.60 Mr. One claims that a vast excavation exists under the monument, the ground is resonant and hollow at the foot of the megalith (also noted by Mr. Abbé Ancé). " One can note that Mr. Sicard is much less approximate to the measure of the menhir than L. Fédié. " This stone is indifferently called Menhir d' Arques or Menhir of Peyrolles. However it is on the territory of this last commune that plans to raise the megalith. ". Since the Fifties the interest of the official researchers is damaged in an absolute lapse of memory. One can only question this lack; studies on this cavity whereas average the techniques are simple to implement (Magnetometer), but it would seem that it is the case for the majority of the sites of archaeological interest of the area. One is well far from the means implemented in the departments of the South-east of France where the building sites of excavations are numerous.

These are winged serpents their heads are like a cobra

very similiar Roscoe
to your Rune stones


this is a theme of the Acadians
the Tree of Life the golden egg or apple

they eat one another and then a egg which is rebirth

this stainglass window was done by the Great German stain glass window
maker Emil Frei

he is truly a alchemical Master renown

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy

a part of the Occult Tradition, is both a philosophy and a practice with an aim of achieving ultimate wisdom as well as immortality, involving the improvement of the alchemist as well as the making of several substances described as possessing unusual properties.





As you said Roger
he is OLD WORLD

You get me to talk about a favorite subject
Stain glass

Emil Frei
and his family are renown
and I'm just in my humble way trying to compare the beautiful work
to a alchemists

here is the definition of alchemy

Alchemy was known as the spagyric art after Greek words meaning to separate and to join together. Compare this with the primary dictum of Alchemy in Latin: SOLVE ET COAGULA — Separate, and Join Together (or dissolve and coagulate).

The best-known goals of the alchemists were the transmutation of common metals into gold (called chrysopoeia) or silver (less well known is plant alchemy, or "spagyric"); the creation of a "panacea", or the elixir of life, a remedy that supposedly would cure all diseases and prolong life indefinitely; and the discovery of a universal solvent.[4] Although these were not the only uses for the discipline, they were the ones most documented and well known. Certain Hermetic schools argue that the transmutation of lead into gold is analogical for the transmutation of the physical body (Saturn or lead) into Solar energy (gold) with the goal of attaining immortality.[5] This is described as Internal Alchemy. Starting with the Middle Ages, Arabic and European alchemists invested much effort in the search for the "philosopher's stone", a legendary substance that was believed to be an essential ingredient for either or both of those goals. The philosopher's stone was believed to mystically amplify the user's knowledge of alchemy so much that anything was attainable. Alchemists enjoyed prestige and support through the centuries, though not for their pursuit of those goals, nor the mystic and philosophical speculation that dominates their literature. Rather it came from their mundane contributions to the "chemical" industries of the day—ore testing and refining, metalworking, production of gunpowder, ink, dyes, paints, cosmetics, leather tanning, ceramics, glass manufacture, preparation of extracts, liquors, and so on (it seems that the preparation of aqua vitae, the "water of life", was a fairly popular "experiment" among European alchemists).


as you can see Roger glass manufacture paints inks ores are part of alchemy

Did you know Roger that to get the beautiful colors of stain glass the artist must mix gold to get the color red

for green the use of copper

and then there is the magical fire of LIGHT that illuminates and the philosopher stone which creates Timeless Beauty



I'm sure you would prefer the title of stain glass window maker

I think Alchemist carries the ancient art of creating beauty out of the earth

Did anyone mention the Viking Serpent represents a Loch Ness type of sea serpent? Lake Champlain has one of those, it is called "Champie", it is the Champlain version of "Nessie". No scoffing please....

The only scoffing from me is likely to be here:

St Columba and the Loch Ness Monster

The earliest legend about the Loch Ness monster recorded is the story of St. Columba's encounter with the beast.

Guilty for being partly responsible for the death of many men in the Battle of Cul-drebene, St Columba set out to mainland Scotland on a pilgrimage to spread Christianity across the land.

During this time, on his way to visit with the Pictish king in Inverness, he encountered some Picts burying what remained of one of their own people - badly savaged by a creature in the Loch.

The dead mans boat lay on the other side of the water, so Columba ordered one of his followers to swim over and retrieve the boat.

During this the servant was attacked by a creature that reared out of the Loch to attack the swimmer.

Columba (invoking the name of God) commanded the beast to return to whence it came and it vanished beneath the waters of the Loch leaving the swimming man unharmed.

Of course, this "true account" was written almost a century after the events took place and like most Christian legends is open to mis-interpretation and deliberate exaggeration (and is only one of many outlandish "miracles" attributed to the man).

And the legend, started by a Catholic Saint, lives on.

If there's any scoffing to do then direct at the story of someone holding up their cross and making the beastie go away. Then again their whole doctrine is full of such stories.

But then here's a copy of a drawing of the said monster in the church of St Michael and All Angels in Iona.



In Scottish Gaelic its name is Niseag which directly translated means

Red Snake.

It is part of the Pictish folklore. Columba was first and foremost a politician and was one of the foremost instruments in the Holy Roman Church's political subjugation of the whole of western Europe.

But if it's pictures you want, here's the latest. You don't do much better than this

Again make of it what you will.

It was posted yesterday

"][url=http://www.philipcoppens.com/iona.html]Speaking of Iona.
Basically it's the bottom end of Loch Ness and around the bottom of the Island of Mull


The Serpent Cross[/url]

The Vikings raided the Christian monastery twice. Each time with 160 longships. No casual raiding party this one.


Nice painting of a Longship

Methinks they were upset at Iona being stolen.

This was after the Synod of Whitby

The Synod of Whitby was a seventh century Northumbrian synod where King Oswiu of Northumbria ruled that his kingdom would calculate Easter and observe the monastic tonsure according to the customs of Rome, rather than the customs practiced by Iona and its satellite institutions.

The Vikings were basically saying.

Oh no you don't Mr Pope in Rome


Sunset over Iona and the Sword in the Stone
How's that for defiance?

This is of course reference to King Arthur.

England nearly had a King Arthur but he died before taking office.

His brother (and successor) was King Henry VIII who closed down all the monasteries and started the move to turn the country Protestant.

John Smith, predecessor of Tony Blair as leader of the Labour Party, is buried on Iona

Hey Roscoe have you seen you sea monster in the Nasca lines

I have

Look at my You tube
its two minutes but give it a look
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUo3AxbZ1L4
its at 1:12-1:13
they escavated a creature recently just like it

How did they see that in Peru????

These crop circles are done by hideous extratextual entities called

Art Students.

Pop Art. I know I shouldn't say this because it's basically vandalism but I'm actually quite fond of crop circles.

Signed Roscoe (Former Art Student.)

Yes I did once have long hair and a beard and a tee shirt and jeans with holes in.

One has to suffer for ones art.

Nasca lines though?

Don't know.

I see in films made over 30 years ago the vestiges + most likely precursors to the Viking stuff. They are johnny-come-lately's when seen in comparison to these links..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AQ_4jB12VU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMjmhqom ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_t ... neken&aq=f

What I found most interesting is the distances all of these findings are from each other with this same theme.

Crop circle grafitti is a no-brainer 'cuz they get plowed up. They will have no 1000 year history duration.

Some folks thought von Daniken was just another weirdo, but his publicization of Nazsca made it the industry it has become, and the rest of the archaeological interest it generated all over the world.

He was just trying to hustle a buck like the intrepid RLC enigma authors of today. So, why aren't all the writers on the RLC enigma not treated like von Daneken was?

Dan Brown was able to benefit by mistakes von Daneken made in his marketing, yes?

Out if curiosity I looked at the word iona and randomly chose 3 links. They all sort of mention various aspects but do not include what Roscoe posted, so I wonder why these concepts are so narrowly defined or discussed.

Most articles do not offer sufficient breadth or linkings to sources that do go deeper. In general the Wiki articles make the occasional attempt at providing these more encompassing viewpoints.

Anybody come across a website that cross-links any topic in general?

For Nazca enthusiasts, an article attached below by Philip Coppens, posted on his website today, entitled "America's Nazcar Lines", about some other geoglyphs, in this case on the Colorado-Arizona border. And there is a serpent.

http://www.philipcoppens.com/intaglios.html

Very good. I was going to do a little "Gentleman Start Your Engines" schtick myself with the original posting, but was in too filthy a temper at the time. That's lifted my spirits a notch.

Nice brief article, though. Another little bit of enriching knowledge to add to the data bank.

Thank you so much Richard that was Fascinating

What a connection to the Egyptians
too cool

Author Gary David has pointed out that the Hopi word for “track” is kuku’at and that the word for “grandfather” is the near homophone kwa’at. He wonders whether the suffix -can is a variant of “ka”, part of the word kachina, the Hopi spirits, of which Masau’u was one. Either way, the pilgrim’s route would thus be known either as “Spirits of the Track” or “Spirits of the grandfathers” and brings to mind the dead-straight leylines of Western Europe, which the research of Paul Devereux has been able to show are spirit tracks too – paths allegedly chosen and flown both by the spirits of the ancestors, and the shamans trying to contact the Otherworld




the leylines ...is this like the Rose Line

I'm working on that dragon that Michael smote

Look at this

The Vouivre / Wyvre: The Flying Serpent
Region: Alpines, France
Time Period: Unknown
References in Literature: none
Sources: Nature of Spirit, Spirit of Nature, Giants, Monsters, and Dragons pg 385, Fairrosa, Illiana
* French version of the English Wyvern
* Called Wyvre in the Nevers
* Looks like part of a well-endowed female with a diamond or ruby between the eyes. Also has bat wings and a serpent's tail.
* Jewel is how she sees and she can only be killed if it is stolen, although it is removed for bathing.
* Lives in abandoned chateauxs and monestaries
* Guard treasure
http://www.theserenedragon.net/Tales/france-vouivre.html

theres that Red dragon Merlin prophesized about