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I'll touch it. Apparently, the Virgin Mary is Spanish. How odd for a Jewish woman who was speaking to a French girl. Also odd that she would refer to herself as an act of impregnation.

Paul went to prison for nine months on March 17th, so not likely.

TCP

Those two paintings created only two years apart are truly fascinating. Roscoe, what you have pointed out is incredible. Place her in a modern setting and she could be in a yoga position, or on a settee and she could be meditating. You mention the sedes sapientea. It makes one wonder if 'wise women' have been doing this from the beginning of time.
Taking her as she is shown in the second painting, the one showing the small tower/pillar with the ball on top and sit her on a tripod and, as you say, she could be in the temple of the Delphic oracle, participating as the Pythia.
The other difference in the later painting seems to be the angel. This time she is all white, indicating purity, and also the dove symbolising the Holy Spirit is accentuated. Poussin has altered the angel's fingers as well. The left one now is curved to point directly to the dove, while the right is pointing at Mary's heart. There can be no mistake that Poussin intends the heart to be pointed at as he has not only moved the angel closer but also noticeably extended the length of the finger. Was Poussin merely pointing out Mary's immaculate heart, or given his Freemasonry background was he pointing out something else?

Roscoe, you mentioned W B Yeats' poem "News for the Delphic oracle." Surely one must wonder whether it could just as easily have been inspired by this painting. The first line of the poem is 'There all the golden codgers lay'. We aren't in Arcadia are we?

And Bernadette's message. You left us hanging on the punch line. So whats the translation?

Looking back up the thread you mention Stella Maris at Orval. Have you been keeping up with the Order of the Servants of Mary on another thread. Look up Servites on Wikipedia: all seven founders are named. Yet the Servites own history assures us that the name of only one is known. Shades of somewhere else? The Legend of their founding bangs on endlessly about seven, even managing to work in a reference to the pleiades at the start of chapter 4. http://www.servidimaria.org/en/bibliografia/legenda%20de%20origine.htm Their emblem is topped off with a crown with seven small flowers, presumably a reference to the seven sorrows of Mary, but this does not seem to be stated.

See, you weren't forgotten after all.

Now everyone can repeatedly point out that Paul Smith is a convicted felon, as he so enjoyed doing in regard to Plantard. What did they get him for, criminal harassment?

Well, I've got an e-mail confirmation from Central London Court Services giving his name, the case number, and phone numbers for the Court Results Service to call for verification from the UK, the rest of Europe, or the US to demonstrate that it's all publically accessible information. If anyone wants that info, drop me a private message and I'll be happy to provide it, anyone can call. Specify whether you want the child pornography case number or the criminal harrassment case number (or both). Oh, and he'll be listed on a public Sex Offender Registry for ten years, so when I get that link, I'll be happy to pass it along to anyone who wants it.

TCP

Pretty dumb of him to harass people through his computer and also keep child porn on it (presumably). He had to see a search coming eventually.

Well, it wouldn't be appropriate for me to speculate on what might have been going on in his mind, but just from a general standpoint, it would seem a bit dangerous to do so.

TCP

Catholic upbringing.

Case rests

Three facets of the Serpent Stone.

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I see they have a new member on the BB team.

Your extreme distaste for Catholics is duly noted for the umpteenth time.

TCP

BB - Baseball?

TCP

HOW DARE YOU!



I guess Catholics aren't a protected class under the new house rules. Some people just need to have a group to dump on, I suppose; although I personally find religion-baiting reprehensible.

TCP

Yeh you wont get the church marking Easter (Oestara) as the first SUNday after the first full moon after the spring Equinox.

Erm????

Then again Sauniere and his villagers did after all parade Our Lady of Lourdes around the village on

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-quarter_day]MIDSUMMERS DAY


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“In the Aude, the peasants rather believe in the malignant spirit, the fairies and the underground geniuses than with the Virgin and the Angels”

Gaston Jourdanne: Contribution to the Folklore of the Aude, 1900

Not just in the Aude it seems

Then again the Cathars did practice a purely spiritual form of religion in the area,until they all got murdered by the controlling authorities of course.

And your knowledge stops at what the murderers told you. But then you benefit from their legacy why would you have the need to complain or even question?

Oh and by the way. You still have to produce a single scrap of evidence regarding the Benedictines, the only difference now is that I couldn't giive a toss. I couldn't before I just wanted to wind you up to see your response. It was a psychology experiment and it worked well.

So tell me about Easter and the Equinox

OK Then if you wont say anything about Easter (Oestara) and the Equinox then lets talk about this Obelisk from Heliopolis (SUN CITY) outside Big Daddy's window.

It says:

Christus vingit
Chrisus Regnat
Christus Imperat

and

Christus A.O.M.P.S. Defendat

the one in RLC says:

Christus A.O.M.P.S. Defendit.

Christus ab omni malo plebem suam Defendit

Christ defended his people from all ills.

There are lots of runes found north of Gothenburg carved into rocks that come across more like graffitti by bored Viking teens. They are not organized into serpentine shapes and have a textual message. They are randomly spread over many rocks interspersed with primitive stick figures of humans, animals, boats, weapons, etc.

There are serpentine type runes in Sweden but they are not the majority of these rock carvings.

When ya look closely at Scandinavia Viking era ya find the Swedes went mainly to Baltic coast, down Russian rivers.

The Norse went to Ireland, Normandy, Spanish coast, Sicily.

The Danes went primarily to UK, Iceland, Greeland.

This may or not have been by arrangement, There are no chronicles of prolonged pitched battles 'tween the Vikings around 800-1000 AD. That picture changed after 1200s when all 3 went to war with each other primarily in the Baltic area.

When it comes to the 'serpentine' runes, the Danes + Norwegians whose spoken language resemble each other moreso than spoken Swedish had the predominance of them.

Another element to factor in is the group historically connected with serpents, viz, Tribe of Dan. What is more fascinating is that Tribe of Dan was predicted by Jacob to be the tribe that judged all the other tribes, they were the law makers, besides being trouble makers.

In The Talmud ya have a tradition of man-made law-ritual that is a law unto itself and departs radically from the Torah. Why else would the Soncino Version of Babylon Talmud contain 63 volumes, versus the thickness of Pentateuch found in OT.

This leads to another concept, namely the source of origin of the rune symbols themself. They are Hebraic, imparted on the Scandinavians by Tuathae Danae. Tribe of Dan.

Here's a bit of Swede trivia...
Before the 1520’s Sweden was a Roman Catholic country. But in the 1520’s with Martin Luther and the Reformation the Swedish king Gustav Vasa transformed Sweden into a protestant nation with a Lutheran Church and made him self, head of church.
The Swedish reformers were cautious. Much of the old order was retained unless judged to be superstition or false belief. At the parliament (riksdag) in Västerås in 1544, Sweden was proclaimed an evangelical kingdom. The king became the church’s most prominent member.

Sweden was a monolithic religious state, allowing only the Swedish version of the evangelical faith. It defined Sweden as an evangelical nation and required Swedes to confess the evangelical faith.

In the 1800’s, greater freedom of religion was allowed in Sweden, but not until 1951 was full religious freedom guaranteed everyone by law.

Up until 1996 it has been possible for children automatically to become members of the Church of Sweden at birth, provided that one of the parents was a member. Baptism was not required, although about 90 % of the children were baptized.

After 1995 baptism is the normal requirement for a person to become member of the Church of Sweden.

Sweden is divided into 13 Lutheran dioceses; each one headed by a bishop.
( the above reads more like a gulag manifesto, no?- what was not mentioned was that everybody was automagically registered in the Social Democrat Party at birth. To get out required a written petition)

THINGS TO PONDER
http://www.thevikingserpent.com/
http://www.reality-entertainment.com/fi ... ng-serpent
http://www.twistedtree.org.uk/runes.htm

this will make Mike Tsarion furious..to him its the other way around...
http://www.british-israel.us/19.html

Cabala meets the heathen biz...
http://www.hrafnar.org/runebook/
http://www.runes.info/pieces/runepiece08.htm

I will make a blind prediction that I've read far more than you have. The reason I can make such a prediction is because it is obvious that when you look at a piece of evidence your first thought is how you can fit this into your belief system. If it doesn't fit you either ignore it completely (I can gauge this trend of your by the way you completely ignore the awkward bits of my postings) or you use what is known as a TCP refutation, a Technically Correct Psuedo refutation. The way this method of fooling oneself works is that you slightly change the argument and produce some other evidence that is technically correct but has nothing to do with the original evidence you wish to rubbish. This way you can appease your own conscience and shoe horn it into your belief system. Basically you put the glass slipper onto the ugly sister meanwhile Cinderella works in the scullery.

The Cathar religion and beliefs have been studied by Antonin Gadal. Now I would like to see what you have to say about him. Please bear in mind that this is a man who was born and brought up in the Ariege and spent his entire life studying them. Only in his later (post war) years did he have contact with the likes of the Rosicrucians and Gnostics in general (they contacted him). Gadal was never a member of these groups.

Unlike yourself he had no axe to grind.

Let me test your knowledge. What occurred at Preuille regarding the Cathars? With respect to the Cathars what does a yellow banner signify? What was the main profession of the Cathars? What is the significance of Montreal de Sos?

I like this, Roscoe - the TCP refutation. Technically Correct Pseudo-Refutation. Translation: Correct, but Roscoe can't argue his way around it convincingly, so it must be denied vociferously. I'm going to have t-shirts made.



Oh, give me a break! Gadal was Adolphe Garrigou's next-door neighbor from childhood! Who do you think you're kidding, Roscoe? Garrigou died when Gadal was twenty years old, by which time Gadal was thoroughly immersed in Garigou's "esoteric" Catharism. One degree away from the likes of Peyrat and Roche. Total romanticism.



Do you mean Prouilhe? Are you referring to the convent?

No idea what a yellow banner is supposed to represent, but I suppose you'll tell us. Please supply references this time.

The main profession of the Cathars? You're either going to tell us it was weaving, or if you're a Starbird fan, paper-making.

Montreal-de-Sos. Must be the cave paintings, correct?

TCP

Hi TCP, I know you don't like to talk much with me but what is your take on the Montreal-de-Sos rock painting? Do you know what it/they represent allegedly or otherwise.

TCP, I know you don't like to talk much with me

Why doesnt he like talking with you Sheila? I'm sure that isnt the case at all ....

It's alright Sandy ....I'm not sure why, but we just don't seem to get on...

I have never come across a single document published by roger' anywhere on the 'Net. Is there such a thing? If he feels warm + snug in his postulations we can always save them for posterity for a future trivial pursuit game, 'cuz 'roger' is an unknown entity in academia, yes?

Once he publishes his bonafides and opens them up to the scrutiny of academia + beyond he will have been able to vindicate every SWAG he posted to date, yes?

Since all we have is his pithy statements to go by they are no different from any opinion posted to the forum, he needs to improve on his content, the type that gives folk something to reflect on.

Its been quite a while since he posted anything that got me to do a 2nd think. The Cathar situation has never been openly explored for its Talmud-Cabal Gnostic inputs. They are there and then some, so why hasn't 'roger' gleaned them?

'roger',

For the longest time you criticized every poster how their take on all things Cathar is wrong, but never spell out why or how, yet when it comes to an opportunity to rise and display yer brilliance, ya cop out, how come?

I ain't the self-anointed Cathar expert, not by a long shot. I see parallels where a cross-over 'tween a much older system, Talmud-Cabala Gnosticism has definitely influenced a considerably younger tradition of Cathar Gnosticism.

The proximity of the Girona Cabala center in relation to where the Cathar persuasion was strong is not just serendipitous happenstance, is it? What is inherent in the Cathar Gnostic system that raises yer hackles?

You have a divergent opinion as to what constitutes a cult of the dead regarding Talmud-Cablaa Gnostics, yet yer take on Cathar cult of the dead has never been adequately spelled out. Ya pontificate about it, why not pontificate on it. I don't need to read 'boot the Cathar cult to get yer take, 'cuz that tells me, if I do, I am allowed to do yer thinking for ya, yes?

What you call oddness I call intellectual pursuit. Since the rare Cathar documents of any value are written in French that limits me in developing that connection. I have to go externally and assess what happened to the Cathari for holding the beliefs they had.

The rabbi I quoted maintains that any understanding of all things Gnostic can only be understood from a Talmud-Cabala Gnostic viewpoint and the Princeton U Divinity School krowd like Pagels + Levine toe that line of thinking in a myriad of books they have published.

I, like you, am in no position to out debate that kind of academic clout, you know it as well as I, so why bring it up as if I can beat them at their own game. You have the French insight, Pagels krowd have the inside track on the Talmud, so pray tell, how can i accomplish the impossible you demand here in a cultural backwater like Scandinavia?