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Crusader,



If the above quote in bold is not an oxymoron, I don't know what is.

Regards,

Indy

Eyechart,



Sure. Here's my favorite one: that the coconut fibres might have washed up on Oak Island because of storm action.

If you've ever seen a map of Mahone Bay, you'd know that for a storm to deposit coconut fibres on Oak Island, the fibres would have to weave in and around countless other islands which are in its path. With the large amounts found on Oak Island, and none that I know of being found on other islands nearby, it doesn't take a genius to realize that there was human involvement of some sort responsible for fibre being found there.

Regards,

Indy

It wasn't coconut fiber anyway. It was Manila hemp fiber, as identified by the Harvard Botanical Museum. As they stated, it superficially resembles coconut fiber but when ground up and the fiber cells examined under microscope the characteristics of Manila hemp fiber are obvious. Rather unlikely it drifted to Nova Scotia from the Philippines. Spanish galleons frequented the Philippines and Admiral George Anson captured a nice full galleon in that area in the 1740s. He's the guy who had the Shepherds monument built on the grounds of his mansion, Shugborough Hall.

Indiana Jones,

Just to clarify one point. The material on Oak Island was once declared to be manilla hemp fibre by the Botanical Museum of Harvard University way back in 1937 (I have the letter). All other tests indicate that the material in question is indeed coconut fibre, even the prestigious Woods Hole Institute reluctantly arrived at this conclusion in their incomplete study done in the 1990's. If you can make it to Explore Oak Island Days this August, I will show you a piece of it (found under the beach on Oak Island) along with a letter of authentication from the National Research Council of Canada., yet another prestigious organization known around the world for scientific excellence.

As you point out, water currents cannot be responsible for the deposit as Oak Island, being one of over 300 islands in Mahone Bay, could not possibly be the sole beneficiary of an accidental deposit due to currents alone.

It is worthy of note to understand that the infamous Gulf Stream that has been blamed by some as the current bringing up tropical fibre to this northern land cuts east off of Cape Hatteras and does not lick the shores of Nova Scotia, a good 300 miles away.

Like I said earlier, some people's minds are closed tight and it would not matter what evidence is placed before them, they will remain skeptical to the point of ridiculousness and personal embarrassment. A prime example to this are those who believe the Moon landing was done on a sound stage, the American government killed JFK, and then there is the Flat Earth Society.

Tank,

Thanks for the clarification. That's the first I've heard of the Botanical Museum of Harvard University being involved with Oak Island, however my mind is like a sieve at times, so I wouldn't doubt that I've read it in a book at one point or another.

Regards,

Indy

Indiana Jones,



Consider it my pleasure. There is a lot of information out there that is not in any book and it is really difficult to separate the chafe from the wheat sometimes, particularly here on the internet.

It is also a pleasure to converse with someone on this forum who is not out looking for blood.

Tank,



Likewise. I've been reading through a few of the posts here on this forum, and I've seen some major 'clashing of the egos' between some of the members, but that is to be expected when people present their theories, and offer up their opinions, for debate.

Regards,

Indy

Indiana Jones,



Unfortunately, we see this all too often. It is part of what I consider to be a bigger problem in the world today in that people do not take responsibility for their actions, especially here on the internet. This person "Crusader" who is known by at least five other nicknames is the worse tripe I have read next to this "Will" guy. Absolutely libellous and dangerous postings of epic proportions.

I am so glad I am not a treasure hunter, nor am I a theorist. It is very difficult to maintain a theory with regard to Oak Island as there simply is not enough information available to hang your hat on as yet although the Spanish seem to be at the top of the list from my perspective.

The mystery continues, at least for a few more years, we will see how Dan Blankenship and the Michigan Group fare with the new attempt. I for one wish them the best.

Thanks for clearing up the fiber identification, Tank. I guess it must really be coconut fiber after all. Still ties in with Anson, who plundered Spanish ships and ports all around the Americas and other parts of the world.
The carbon dating of the logs found beneath Smith's Cove (in a U shape) came out to Anson's time frame, about 1750. I think he may have reopened an existing Rosicrucian treasure pit, added his own deposit above it, at 98 feet depth, and added the Smith's Cove flood tunnel to protect the second cache.

Right, but the team that gathered the coconut fiber was led to the place where it was found and handed a sample by someone who had a vested interest in there being treasure at Oak Island. Also, it has been noted that coconut fiber was used as packing material in the age of sail and was often discarded when the cargo was unloaded. (So maybe the pirate ship that unloaded the treasure here left it) or more probably from the various ships which did frequent the area including some of those used in the initial larger scale treasure hunting expeditions.

Eyechart Out

Tank Tank Tank...Back to the name calling. Is that all you have? And if you have debated with Dick, and obviously failed horribly in your efforts to persuade him, how can you ever hope to persuade those who prescribe to his well researched and factually based arguments.

I know you have all these books of fiction that you hold up as your Oak Island fantasy bible, but none of those hold any credit with educated researchers. Why would I ever bother to waste my time paying for and reading such fiction when that tripe has been spouted over and over again on a variety of documentaries.

It saddens me that the only argument you can pose to my logical inquiries about proof from Oak islands are childish verbal insults. As noted by Dick, your sources lack scientific backing, are based on a variety of mythological treasure stories and cover a period in North American history where Treasure Hunt Cons were all the rage.

I had really hoped that this forum would be a place where educated and adult individuals could have a conversation about the facts of the Oak Island phenomenon. And yet I find individuals who quote discredited sources who reference other discredited sources and authors who have plain invented “facts” to sell books.

If you truly believe that the aliens buried their remoloculizer gizmo there, and realize that there is no proof, yet you still believe like you might to some religion, then it is OK to say that. But to drop to name calling when I provide information or point out holed in your mythical “facts”. That alone completely discredits your way of thinking and indeed your whole credibility and that of Oak Island Treasure Believers.

Don’t hate me because you fear that I’m right. Since you don’t have any information that can change Dicks mind then your facts must be suspect. Or is Dick part of the whole conspiracy?

Closed minded apparently goes both ways

Maybe this should move to my Give me Proof Thread.

Although Dick seems to present an good arguement that it is indeed purely a treasure con, which is why I posted that link here.

Eyechart Out

Eyechart,



Now that I know where your vast Oak Island education is coming from, we can now debate this logically. The team took the sample while a Triton employee did the actual digging right in front of them, want to speak to him? Come to EOID 2007 and ask him yourself. If you or anyone else wishes to call into question the veracity of the sample, we will gain or loose no ground on this one. Back in the 19th century when the drain system was discovered at Smith’s Cove, they removed tons and tons of coconut material and piled it on the beach in hay cocks. In my humble opinion, if you want a sample of coconut fibre in the 20th century, then that would have been the most likely place to look for it, where it was last seen, no? To look for it in the Money Pit area would be a fools errand.



That packing you refer to was called dunnage, and dunnage is still used today by shipping companies to secure loads that may shift while at sea, a terrible problem for them. This has been going on for centuries and was generally used over and over again by those engaged in the industry. If you had read anything about Oak Island or understood this history, you would note that Oak Island was an uninhabited island in 1795 when this treasure hunt began. Records indicate that the coconut fibre was not on top of the sand, but buried five feet below the surface and covered with naturally occurring Eel grass sand and gravel.

I don’t give two hoots what Dick Joltes believes and it is not my position to try and sway him to my way of thinking. I have been the recipient of his personal attacks for which he apologised. As I have told him on many occasions, if you or he chooses not to believe anything about Oak Island, that is a free choice you have made. On your part, the choice has been made with little or no reading or as we like to call it, research.



Wrong again, many educated researchers who have actually made their way to Oak Island unlike you and Joltes) are as convinced as I am that there is something to the story. In fact, if you took the time to come to Nova Scotia this August you can speak to engineers (educated enough for you?) and other researchers who know this history as well as or better than I do. The words you use, "books of fiction" shows me that your mind is the one closed tight, not mine. How can you say that when you have not one single clue where the primary materials came from for any of these books? Just as a point of clairification for you, not everything that is in the books is accurate.



Oh get over yourself, who are you but another ill informed person who has not taken the time to lift a single page of a book to read the history, stop your crying. I can give you pages of scientific research if that is what you want, come to EOID and see it with your own eyes. Show me one “con” regarding Oak Island, just one.



The alien thing is your theory, not mine. The word ignorant has three meanings in the Word Perfect dictionaryand if you can’t stand by and allow me the use of the word in the meaning I chose to use it, then that is a problem you will have to reconcile on your own. You are ignorant.



Hate you? Hell, man, I don’t know you well enough to hate you, don’t give yourself such a high position in my world, I have never met you and likely never will. If you are so convinced that Oak Island is a con, then give me one. Give me one of these "cons" you like to speak about that you have found and lets deal with that. Perhaps you have some misconception or have heard someone else say that out loud and you simply parroted it to me and now you have run up against someone who will and can take exception to your words. Oh, and by the way, I really dislike conspiracy theories, that is the realm of the paranoid. How about you?

Dick, Dick, Dick, it all comes back to Dick, well forget him, do the research on your own then come back and debate in a logical sequence and stop your fretting and manoeuvring. If you want, I'll give you the name of a well researched book written by a man who has done his homework, on the ground as they say, then come back and tell me where the cons are, tell me what is fiction and what is fact.

What have you got to loose, thirty bucks for a book? Or, maybe your eyes will flicker open to a possibility that the history of Oak Island is more than you have considered before, and this time, after a short education on the subject on your part.

I am glad we are off and running with a spirited debate, all I had to do was call your number.

This is fun.

So in my research I found Dick’s article, which you want me to ignore because it lends well documented credence to the possibility that there is no treasure at Oak Island. So what you want me to do is read articles supporting the treasure theory and ignore those sources that point to it being a fraud.

I personally would love for the Oak Island story to be true, along with North American Viking rune stones. But sadly, all the evidence that I have seen has convinced me that Oak Island is a fraud. Throwing more money to those who publish books propagating that fraud just seems like a waste to me. When I first learned of Oak Island, I was excited, but after doing the research that I have (to which you will no doubt claim isn’t enough until I agree with you, which based on the research I have done, I will not do) I believe there is no and never has been a treasure at Oak Island.

That being said, I’d be among the rejoicing throng should a treasure ever be found. But aside from the treasure being found, but until that happens, I will stand by all the evidence that lays weight to the theory that there is no treasure at Oak Island.

Just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t make me close minded any more than you not agreeing with me makes you close minded.

Go ahead and give me the name of the book.

Have you posted the theory you like the best here somewhere? Let me know where it is and I’ll give it a read if it is free. (Like I said, I’ll not pay for information on either side of the debate.)

Anyone know the Vegas odds on treasure being found on Oak Island within the next 50 years? $30 on no treasure being found, that’s where I’d put my money.

If it were up to me, I’d like to see all of Oak Island mapped with ground penetrating radar. We escorted a research team that used one in Ur and the stuff it showed was amazing.

Someone explain to me why the owners of Oak Island don’t invite the Discovery or History channel in to do a show that once and for all solves the mystery? Modern research and technology should be able to make quick work of an area as small as Oak Island. Heck, History channel just had a thing on where there was a group using ground penetrating radar on several square miles around the city of Petra.

Eyechart Out

Eyechart,



I know you're directing this at Tank, but you are correct, just because you don't agree with him doesn't make you close-minded. However, only taking the time to consider one half of this mystery (the skeptical half, in your case) does make you close-minded. As a believer of this mystery, I absolutely despised reading Dick's skeptic articles, as well as others that I found, but I knew that the only way to glean a fair opinion of this mystery, and to see where I stand (whether as a believer or as a skeptic), was to keep an open mind towards both sides, even if I really didn't want to. That way, there couldn't be any biased influence on my part.

Regards,

Indy

The Oak Island Pleasure's

Dick Joltes

Just what does he have to prove but prove himself wrong, according to Mr. Ranville in a email slander-augment with each other about how dick Joltes did not have no conformation on the Snow Book or different ciphers or about much other any conformation of what so ever, that any of joltes findings was produced before the known original Money pit symbols were been known of before the symbols were well known 1803? Or they’re own brought forth before new taughts of beliefes.

Mr. Joltes can’t tell of any of his findings and confirm of his lyrics of telling all of else of his would be famous tell all do-tells.

There is no proof that the money pit did not exist or the symbols were altered unless someone has physical proof but here; say and don’t give us crap different in there own self twined beliefs.

If you were to get hit by a Bus, Mr. Joltes will be the first to comfirm how many people that should of been on the BUS in the accident report? WORD.

Eyechart,

I agree, this IS fun because we can put all the initial posturing behind us and get into the nuts and bolts of this mystery.

Make no mistake about it, I do not dislike a sceptical view of Oak Island, in fact, I think it is essential so as not to take everything you read without a grain of salt or look for corroborating information to substantiate findings. However, sometimes, you have to take leaps of faith over chasms of history where documentation simply does not exist. As I have said before, not everything in print about Oak Island is gospel, there have been mistakes made, we have ferreted them out and will continue to do so.

Read Joltes’ web site, but keep in the back of your mind that he only gives enough of the story to suit his stance. After you have read a decent book or two, and have considered information that people like Joltes, King, Nichol and others have formulated, then you stand a better chance at understanding the nuances of this mystery. Don’t forget, it’s not all contained in the 18 books out there about Oak Island. Some of it is still tucked away, I know, I’ve seen it.

What I want you to read is the history of Oak Island. The book I am going to recommend is D’Arcy O’Connor’s, The Secret Treasure of Oak Island and here is why. Firstly, you should know that D’Arcy and I have co authored a book together about Oak Island, it is a work of pure fiction and is a parody meant for fun and entertainment, not historical accuracy, so any howls from anyone that I am recommending his book for greedy reasons can sit down now.

O’Connor got bitten by the Oak Island bug way back almost 35 years ago when he had a chance encounter with Dan Blankenship at a local motel they both happened to be at. The story Dan told him was as you may expect, quite incredible and it peaked his interest. He started to do a little research and was satisfied that the story had merit. After moving to the area and after many years of on site research and development he wrote his first book, The Money Pit.

His research led him to many places, the Nova Scotia public archives, treasure hunters who were still alive, or their widows, libraries across the Atlantic, and more importantly to Melbourne Chappell in Sydney Nova Scotia where he was allowed an unprecedented look into the vast store house of correspondence Chappell owned. Chappell became the recipient of the dogged research carried out by former treasure hunter and island owner Frederick Blair who made it his business to collect every scrap of OI information he could lay his hands on. As Chappell’s family had been involved with the treasure hunt since the late 19th century, he had the greatest collection of letters, diaries, maps and documents in existence. This is the stuff of legends for any researcher on any topic.

I do not have a pet Oak Island theory. I have made my stance crystal clear many times and that is that I am not a treasure hunter, in fact, I’m not convinced there is still a treasure there to recover. I am however convinced that someone was deep below the surface of Oak Island to do some major engineering work for a reason that has yet to reveal itself, and I am satisfied that it was done before popular European settlement in the area, that would be before 1749 for sure. The obvious position is that “they” buried something of great significance and worth a fortune.



I again ask you to provide not only this “evidence” you speak of, but again I ask for proof of any “cons” you have mentioned before, give me one and provide your proof.




As for your wish to see the use of Ground Penetrating Radar, that has been tried with no success and in the past number of years, it has been thought of again now that the technology has improved. One thing you have to keep in mind is that GPR is not the panacea for Oak Island exploration. Debris from 212 years of exploration has rendered the sub surface levels basically polluted with timbers, tunnels, cribbing and metals that will give terrible results for a lot of money, in short, at this time, it may be useless. By the way, who is/was the “we” you speak of?



How do you see the History Channel or Discovery Channel being the answer. Have you considered the engineering costs associated with such a venture. Do you believe that these production companies are made of money, and thirdly, have you ever dealt with any of these companies personally? These are rhetorical questions as I know the answers and I am willing to bet you have absolutely no experience in this area.

Lets face it, if the money poured into one single space mission were to be re directed toward Oak Island, the mystery would be solved once and for all, but it’s not. The capitol for such a venture has not graced the shores of Oak Island since day one and almost every treasure hunt has been operated on limited funds on shoe string budgets and the determination and grit of the treasure hunters who have come here to search.

As for the Viking Rune stones you speak of, it’s not my area of expertise, but, you have to consider all information before you wave your hand in dismissal. If Dr. Helge Ingstad and his wife Dr. Anne Stine were to have taken that stance, they would never have discovered world UNESCO heritage site L’Ance Au Meadows in Newfoundland from the 11 th century. Did you know if the existence of the Yarmouth Rune stone that is currently on display at the Yarmouth County Museum here in Nova Scotia?

You speak like you are a well travelled person, do yourself a favour and come to Nova Scotia this summer to see Oak Island, actually walk over it, listen to the speakers, see the artifafcts and talk to experts that don’t always spout the company line. I promise, we don’t bite and won’t hurt you, hell, you may actually enjoy yourself. Consider this a personal invitation.

Indiana Jones,

As much as it pains me to say it, but Joltes and others like Dennis King have made some good points over the years with their sceptical stance to Oak Island. It has made me dig deeper to find answers or to counter their scurrilous, biassed claims with good solid research.

I agree with you too about maintaining a open mind. If it weren't for that, we would never have discovered the truth about the age of McInnis, one of the first three treasure hunters of Oak Island.

Alternatively, if we had not paid any attention to these sceptics who strain so hard to discredit Oak Island, we would have never exposed one major skeptic for being a fraud a few years ago. Collectively, we sent him packing with his tail between his legs.

Dude, I have no idea what you were trying to say

Eyechart out

Since the normal state of things is that treasure dose not exist places, it comes upon those who believe that there is treasure to provide a case for its existence.

Which has been attempted. However, none of the currently released "evidence" has been gathered in a manner in which scientific organizations are willing to accept it.

Show me the treasure and I'll definately say I was wrong.

If dry land excavations can be conducted of sunken ships by building metal walls around them and draining the water, If the Titanic can be found and explored at the bottom of the sea, if dinosaur skeletons can be excavated in a variety of environments around the world, then there is no reason modern science if allowed access can’t prove the facts of Oak Island one way or another.

I believe that archeological research is the only way to prove that there was even anything at Oak Island.

Why won’t the land owner allow a scientific team to undertake the dig? I’d be willing to bet that there are dozens of groups that would be willing to do the dig and leave the owner with all the treasure they find just to get the chance to end the debate once and for all.

Has the offer been extended. Discovery and History channel fund all sorts of archeological digs. Why not Oak Island?

If these man-made box drains exist, show them to the world. Allow a certified archeologist to examine them put documented pictures of them on a respected television show or in a scientific journal or magazine.

The problem is that the site is so contaminated by generations of treasure hunters, that anything found there could have easily been planted or left over from previous digs (to include the coconut fiber which could easily have come from any ship unloading anything packed in dunnage over the years). That, and the fact that the educated scientific community doesn’t believe in the legend are obvious stumbling blocks to a proper investigation.

My personal "If there was ever anything there theory" is that it may have been a Rum Runner stash. They dug a shallow hole, (All the log platforms are BS) The rum was packed in the dunnage which was unloaded and washed about on the island. The rum runners later returned, picked up their stash and never returned. The natural make up of the island causes the flooding and there are and never have been any sophisticated treasure protecting trap devices.

In reality, it all sounds like a natural sink hole that had sticks washed into it over the years, or maybe the Log platforms wer just roots.

Speculation is fun, but that is all there is about treasure.


Eyechart out

Eyechart,

You are going around in circles and not answering any of my questions. Now that hardly seems fair when two men are trying to have an open and honest discussion, does it?

In the spirit of mutual cooperation, and to lead the way, allow me to answer your direct questions, then you answer me with mine, fair enough?



They have done so. In 1995, Woods Hole Institute did some investigation on the island until their funding ran out and the science was not finished. It was not a “dig” per se, but they were prepared for a good look. I have reviewed the entire study and they have found some interesting results that support many of the claims that have been made in the past 212 years. Other bits are as dry and boring as watching old people Curling.



It has happened the other way around, Disney, Spielberg, the History Channel and others have approached the treasure hunters for permission to access the island, mostly for filming purposes only though, no elaborate and expensive archaeological digs/examination. Too bad too, I maintain that Oak Island will hold up very well to scientific examination, it has already.

You are quite dog locked on the “scientific examination” bit, but you appear not to accept the results of the findings of any of the ones I have mentioned, very curious. Hmmmm...

The rest of your post degenerates into your insistence of things that are, well, ignorant of the geological conditions that make up Oak Island, the past 212 years of treasure hunting history and your own crude misconceptions of the findings.

And their excavations were limited as you admit and the failed to find the box drains and their dye experiments failed to show links to the ocean. They even found the coconut fibers circumspect. It is interesting that an search of their web site fails to turn up any mention of their expedition…Did they find it of so little value that it isn’t even worth mentioning on their web page?





I’m glad that you, The Local Tour Guide, maintain that that Oak Island will stand up to scientific examination. But the question still is “Why won’t the land owner let it happen?” Even the Wood Hole Institute was not given unrestricted access.



Hmmm. None of the findings you have offered as evidence stand up to scientific scrutiny. But please continue.

What little the Wood Hole Institute got to do lends credence to the fact that there is no treasure there. I wonder what a more in depth, unrestricted, research team would find?

I’m sorry that you seem ignorant to the propensity of evidence against their being treasure on Oak Island. Perhaps you feel shame for falling for a long propagated hoax. (A police friend tells me that scam artists often get away with their crimes because little old ladies are in to much shame at being conned to admit it)

Eyechart Out

Me neither. It seems he is having a particularly hard time with the grammar today.

Regards,

Indy

eyechart,

Wow, do you and I ever have a lot of ground to cover. You are so far off of having any Oak Island knowledge, I am not sure I can lead you to a conclusion that will assist you in any way. Plus your complete lack of understanding and obliqueness is not going to make this easy. But, in the spirit of taking on difficult projects, here we go.

Woods hole was not looking for the flood tunnel or drains specifically. The last person I am aware of who actually worked the drains, was Robert Restall and maybe Dan Blankenship in the late 60s.

The dye test you are willing to dismiss so quickly (terrible lack of knowledge on your part) was in fact very successful. It is not up to me to scold Woods Hole that they did not publicize a private expedition on their web site, but it appears that you are even doubting they were there. Man oh man, do you ever have a terrible case of disbelief. Wow, astounding, lets continue.

Really pleased that you note I am a tour guide, this is a very positive step for you, finally, recognition of some truth about Oak Island. If you want to now why the land owners did not "allow" these groups on the island, then you better ask them yourself. Very few people get unrestricted access to all of Oak Island. To the treasure hunters, this is a pretty important place and people are not permitted to walk it willy nilly for obvious reasons, well, obvious to those of us who have been there or have read a book.



No, wrong. It is you who will not accept the evidence, lets make that perfectly clear, the scientists do, but you don't. But please, you continue.

If you actually read one of my former posts to you, it will become abundantly clear that I don't necessarily agree that there is a treasure on Oak Island, you really must actually read the words my friend, you are missing important stuff here. I know you are defending your position but you are not doing a great job.

Answer some of those questions I posed to you. Surely you have more than words on a computer screen don't you, where are your examples of fraud, come on, lets see it, you do have it don't you? If you like, we can allow you to gracefully bow out of this and you can simply say, no I don't have anything. I will persist until you tell me what you have other than an uninformed opinion. Come on, tell ‘ol Uncle tanky.

I can assure you, I am no little old lady. I have been looking at this mystery for over thirty years and I have read every book, every web page, talked to the treasure hunters, and their adversaries and many, many sceptics. I have held the evidence in my hand and reviewed the scientific papers that accompany them.

And you?

Oh, the search was done by those who had a vested interest in finding evidence and then they have kept that proof of that evidence from being examined by the Wood Hole Institute. I stand corrected…Oh wait, no I don’t.

In showing that dye put into bore hole X-10 didn’t leak into the bay…OK



Wow you are way off here. I have absolutely no doubt that Wood Hole went to Oak Island. It is also apparent that the lack of evidence that they found there is also not worth them putting information on their web page about it. Feel free to make the inquiry with them your self through their web page.



You being a tour guide, and having apparently written or at least contributed to books on Oak Island (Books which are for sale presumably…are your tour services also for sale or do you work just for tips) just places you with a conflict of interest in identifying the truth. Who would want to come to a non mysterious Oak Island…Who would buy a book about Aspen Island? Where is that you ask? Does it matter? There is no treasure there either.



Several media outlets on their programs of Oak Island have said that the owner will not allow them on to the land or has requested exorbantant amounts to conduct what they refered to as restricted studies. Agter all you research, I'm sure this is no surprise to you. The question is still one for the Owner: What do you fear that you won't allow unrestricted access to a research group. Why try to charge them large amounts to do this research? Only answer is fear that the lack of treasure will be proven and he hopes to reclaim his lossand maybe make a profit before they prove there is no treasure there. But with all your research, I'm sure that this is all well known to you.



Well enlighten me…because the only obvious reasons would be:
1) The fear that someone would steal the treasure Ha ha ha….oh man…
2) The fear that a true investigative team would prove once and for all that the whole thing was a hoax (the real fear of the current land owner)
3) The investigative team would uncover environmental and safety hazards created by the treasure hunter’s rape of the island.





Wow I can play that game too “No you are wrong”. However, I have refuted all the evidence you have presented…now if you would like to actually offer more evidence instead of hiding behind the “You are wrong” comments.



I’m glad to hear that you aren’t completely taken in by the hoax. But I realize that it is a big draw to that area of Canada…beautiful country up there, but no Disney World for the tourists.

Please tell me what “stuff” I am missing.



So you haven’t read Dick’s article. You really have no idea of the early investment in treasure finding companies at Oak Island? OK. Is there a current Scam going on…I don’t believe so. I think that the current land owner may be hoping to get more investment money for his digs at Oak island or maybe keep the land value high by maintaining the legend and not allowing it to be proven untrue once and for all. He’s sunk what at least $10 mil into Oak island and gotten nothing out of it…any businessman would want to recoup their losses, one way or the other.

If you like, we can allow you to gracefully bow out of this and you can simply say, no I don't have anything. I will persist until you tell me what you have other than an uninformed opinion. Come on, tell ‘ol Uncle tanky.

I can assure you, I am no little old lady. I have been looking at this mystery for over thirty years and I have read every book, every web page, talked to the treasure hunters, and their adversaries and many, many sceptics. I have held the evidence in my hand and reviewed the scientific papers that accompany them.

And you? [/quote]

Wow, 30 years…that is a lot of time invested in something that has shown no value…Kind of like learning Klingon.
30 years…that is a long time and a lot of effort to have to go back and admit was wasted on an old hoax.
30 years… and it only took me a short time to find actual credible sources providing compelling evidence that it is a hoax.

Don’t feel too bad, people thought that the sun rotated around the earth for thousands of years in till Galileo in a few short moments proved them wrong.

30 years and no treasure and you “don't necessarily agree that there is a treasure on Oak Island”. So your research is paying off. Glad you are seeing things my way.

Eyechart Out