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PostPosted: 12 Feb 2009 1:47 pm 
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The location of the tomb is currently remaining discreet, as has been said by Ben several times before, and for more than obvious reasons.
So all attempts to identify the landowner, and whether he is dancing with his spade on top of the tomb, or dynamiting it into oblivion in an anti-DRAC rage are pointless - he sure won't be giving out statements on the matter.

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bergeredearcadie wrote:
I think you will find all that has been taken down off of Ravens web site for some reason .....

I have taken it down because I am tired of debunking Bloodline. I have made my point and that's it. It is up to everybody what he or she chooses to believe.

I like Ben and don't want to hurt the sales of his book. I have no interest in that.

My opinion hasn't changed much. I draw the line where my friend Andy does as he expressed in the interview.

I regret the fierceness that sometimes sneaked into the debate. Nothing of it was meant to be personal. I have been in touch with Ben to express that and I know he feels the same way.

So no more RLC Police behavior from my site. The uniform never felt comfortable.

Like many before me. I am gonna wait patiently for what comes next.

Take care, Raven

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I like Ben and don't want to hurt


Damage done, but nevertheless ... we still like most of the RLC researchers :lol:


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ndawe wrote:
Documentation?
The location of the tomb is currently remaining discreet, as has been said by Ben several times before, and for more than obvious reasons.
So all attempts to identify the landowner, and whether he is dancing with his spade on top of the tomb, or dynamiting it into oblivion in an anti-DRAC rage are pointless - he sure won't be giving out statements on the matter.


That's evading the answer!

Show the documents from DRAC that gave non-archaeologists the permission to contaminate a tomb, remove objects, and to transport those objects to other countries - where is that documentation and what are the names of the people from DRAC who gave that permission?

Please answer the question.

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bergeredearcadie wrote:
I like Ben and don't want to hurt


Damage done, but nevertheless ... we still like most of the RLC researchers :lol:


You mean RLC fakers and forgers!

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ndawe,

Take any documents in question personally to Paul along with a camera crew.. Bring Mr. Lincoln with you too.

What say you Paul?


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ndawe,

Take any documents in question personally to Paul along with a camera crew.. Bring Mr. Lincoln with you too.

What say you Paul?


There are no documents!
DRAC did not provide permission because DRAC does not believe the tomb to be genuine - therefore non-archaeologists can do what they please! It's a gimmick!

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The only person who has given ANY proof of ANY meetings with the DRAC is Ben. All other alleged DRAC meetings and conversations have yet to be proven.

Ben has stated his case in his Q&A with Andrew and he holds no grudges against anyone.

As Raven suggested let's all wait patiently to see what this year brings.

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The only person who has given ANY proof of ANY meetings with the DRAC is Ben.


I would take notice if that information came from DRAC.
But it doesn't.
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Leo Vinci wrote:
DRAC does not believe the tomb to be genuine


Please submit YOUR proof.

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VeryAngryMother wrote:
Leo Vinci wrote:
DRAC does not believe the tomb to be genuine


Please submit YOUR proof.

VAM



Ask DRAC.
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The contamination of the archaeological site by non-professionals, the removal of artefacts, the transporting of those artefacts to other countries - without the endorsement of DRAC would be illegal in France. Unless permission was granted by DRAC for that to have happened. Where is the official documentation?


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Documentation?
The location of the tomb is currently remaining discreet, as has been said by Ben several times before, and for more than obvious reasons.
So all attempts to identify the landowner, and whether he is dancing with his spade on top of the tomb, or dynamiting it into oblivion in an anti-DRAC rage are pointless - he sure won't be giving out statements on the matter.


Leo Vinci has asked a very serious and pertinent question. That was: if the removed artifacts have been legally or illegally taken out of the country, meaning if DRAC has supplied a document through which they approved the "journey" of the artifacts to other countries?

Nicole, as you are directly implicated as an intermediate of the relations with DRAC, you should know if this happened or not. From your answer two possibilities emerge. The first one would be that you are avoiding a concrete answer and this accentuates the suspicion that the objects were illegally taken out of the country and the second is that you answered directly to the question but in this case you are talking about objects "removed from the tomb (?)" (others that the officially presented ones). In the second case your answer could make sense because the site's location must be protected and the documentation could not be made public.

Could you be so kind to answer without equivoque to this question?


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Leo Vinci wrote:
I would take notice if that information came from DRAC.


Would you? I doubt that very much!

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I would take notice if that information came from DRAC.


Would you? I doubt that very much!

VAM


Yes, I have written to DRAC about this - and they do not respond to enquiries relating to the fake treasure of RLC! It's their OFFICIAL POLICY.

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Yes, I have written to DRAC about this - and they do not respond to enquiries relating to the fake treasure of RLC! It's their OFFICIAL POLICY.


So your proof is that they ignored you!! :lol:

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No, the truth is the opposite - they ignored being linked to your tomb!

What's the name of the Landowner where the tomb is situated?
Is it Russell Cooper?

What were the names of the people in DRAC who provided official permission to have the site contaminated by non-archaeologists, have artefacts removed and taken to other countries?
Do you have their names, please?

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Leo Vinci wrote:
No, the truth is the opposite - they ignored being linked to your tomb!


Again, please submit YOUR proof. You can't because you have none!

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Leo Vinci wrote:
No, the truth is the opposite - they ignored being linked to your tomb!


Again, please submit YOUR proof. You can't because you have none!

VAM


Right, one fact has been established here - EVERYONE associated with the Bloodline Tomb is refusing to answer questions relating to who the Landowner is and which individuals from DRAC provided permission for the tomb to be contaminated by non-archaeologists, with artefacts being allowed to be taken away and transported to different countries.

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Right, one fact has been established here - EVERYONE associated with the Bloodline Tomb is refusing to answer questions relating to who the Landowner is


Duh! Why d'ya think that is?

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and which individuals from DRAC provided permission for the tomb to be contaminated by non-archaeologists.


All of the evidence gathered from the tomb has been submitted to the DRAC at the very first meeting and Ben is STILL allowed to visit the area without being arrested! As to individual names, they will not be forthcoming due to the last debacle when a name was given.

As Ben mentioned in his interview the few have ruined it for the many.

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VeryAngryMother wrote:
Leo Vinci wrote:
Right, one fact has been established here - EVERYONE associated with the Bloodline Tomb is refusing to answer questions relating to who the Landowner is


Duh! Why d'ya think that is?

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and which individuals from DRAC provided permission for the tomb to be contaminated by non-archaeologists.


All of the evidence gathered from the tomb has been submitted to the DRAC at the very first meeting and Ben is STILL allowed to visit the area without being arrested! As to individual names, they will not be forthcoming due to the last debacle when a name was given.

As Ben mentioned in his interview the few have ruined it for the many.

VAM


AVOIDING answering the questions:

1)- Who is the Landowner where the tomb is situated

2)- Which people from DRAC provided permission for non-archaeologists to contaminate the site, and officially allow artefacts to be taken away and transported to different countries

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Roger wrote:
Discovery of a small chest filled with antique artifacts in a well-known and well dug-up cave. (Dubious - credibility problem = the chest wasn't there a few years ago).


Please provide proof for your statement that it wasn't there a few years ago.

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DRAC refuses to enter the "find" into their protocols until it is 100% verified, as any "find" connected to RLC exposes them to much ridicule unless it is verified 100% - they would simply defer all official protocol until satisfied).


Exactly!

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I've decided to ignore the whole thing until there is even a scintilla of an official process with some degree of credibility and a professional archeological approach to the site.


Very sensible thank you.

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In the meantime, my only problem with "Ben" is that he went pretty low with the "Templar" nonsense, but I don't suppose there's any reason he'd have resisted that temptation, when so many supposedly "serious" authors succumb quite enthusiastically to that kind of cheap exploitation.


Exactly! :lol:

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In the meantime, all replies to the pertinent questions have been ignored.
Again.

1)- Who is the Landowner where the tomb is situated

2)- Which people from DRAC provided permission for non-archaeologists to contaminate the site, and officially allow artefacts to be taken away and transported to different countries


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Why can't we forget for just a second the fact that Paul is (almost) a public enemy on the forum? Yes, I admit the fact that he is annoying for copying/pasting and quoting himself over and over again. But his questions are very much to the point.



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AVOIDING answering the questions:

1)- Who is the Landowner where the tomb is situated

2)- Which people from DRAC provided permission for non-archaeologists to contaminate the site, and officially allow artefacts to be taken away and transported to different countries


The questions are very simple, the answers could be just as simple. Not answering these questions becomes more and more dubious to me. Am I the only one who sees things this way?


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Rumour of a private company wanting to take over excavations... Big problem! This would require multiple levels of permit applications that CANNOT be occulted, whether at DRAC, the MInistere de la Culture, the Prefecture de l'Aude, the regional council, etc. Such permit applications are also made available for professionals to object to the "plan", whether in its form or other aspects, including the qualifications and credentials of those involved.


Question. If the land in which the cave is situated is privately owned, then why should the owner need anyone's permission to excavate upon it? Irrespective of what may or may not be in that cave, I would have thought, or hoped perhaps, that the rights of the property holder would be sacrosanct, meaning that the owner would be perfectly entitled to either deny permisson - to DRAC or anyone else - to dig upon their land, or conversely to grant such permission. :?


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Richard, was it a premeditated tactic on your part?
Every 4 weeks you introduce a thread on the Bloodline tomb.
I presume that you are an alias of Ben Hammott/The Tombman/Bill Wilkinson?

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1)- Who is the Landowner where the tomb is situated

2)- Which people from DRAC provided permission for non-archaeologists to contaminate the site, and officially allow artefacts to be taken away and transported to different countries


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