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 Post subject: Re: Is there more to Girona?
PostPosted: 19 Jan 2009 9:51 pm 
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tingra wrote:
Why dont you appear to be interested in the Girona aspect of the RLC mystery?

Because, unfortunately, there isn't a Girona aspect to the RLC mystery.

There are a couple of people who keep trying to drag the RLC theme off in different directions, towards Perillos and Girona, for their own reasons.

But there is absolutely no evidence that "Sauniere's model", on which much of the Perillos concept is based, is what Douzet claims it is. The model is just a teaching tool used in Sunday schools around 100 years ago. No more, no less.

Douzet created a Perillos "mystery" because he was living in Durban, just down the road. It was convenient for him...

Douzet's other piece of supposed evidence, the "Courtade" document, which I've seen, is just an old land registry document written in occitan, of the type that you can find on EBay or at French flea markets.

Likewise, there is absolutely no evidence of a tower called the "Torre Magdala" ever having existed. Again that was invented to put a RLC angle into a story, which is supposed to be biographical and factual.

tingra wrote:
I have been to Girona and i love the place, i am convinced there is more to the story than what Patrice wrote in city of Secrets.


It's a great city, with amazing history, but it has no connection with RLC.

I really wish Patrice had not allowed herself to be used by people who wanted to tie Girona to RLC and had instead concentrated on the true history of Girona, such as the fascinating 12th Jewish city that lies beneath and among the Girona of today and of which parts can still be seen...

Just my humble opinions...


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PostPosted: 19 Jan 2009 10:12 pm 
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Thanks for your humble opinions Marcus........i dont agree with them but that is just my opinion. The Douzet thing doesnt interest me and i am basing my opinions on the book and the places and things i saw while in Girona. I have no proof whatsoever that Girona is conected with RLC but i feel sure that one day evidence will be forth coming......we will see :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Is there more to Girona?
PostPosted: 20 Jan 2009 2:53 am 
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marcus wrote:
I really wish Patrice had not allowed herself to be used by people who wanted to tie Girona to RLC and had instead concentrated on the true history of Girona, such as the fascinating 12th Jewish city that lies beneath and among the Girona of today and of which parts can still be seen...


I still laugh myself silly every time I think about that farcical letter on Hotel Eden du Lac stationery. That has to be the most hairbrained example of fabrication I've ever witnessed. And then for Chaplin to blame it on the editors!

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 Post subject: Re: Is there more to Girona?
PostPosted: 20 Jan 2009 11:14 am 
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marcus wrote:
RLC mystery


The claims and allegations of a "mystery" at Rennes-le-Chateau have long been debunked and discredited and no serious researcher takes this seriously.


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 Post subject: Re: Is there more to Girona?
PostPosted: 20 Jan 2009 11:25 am 
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Leo Vinci wrote:
The claims and allegations of a "mystery" at Rennes-le-Chateau have long been debunked and discredited and no serious researcher takes this seriously.


If you believed this then surely you wouldn't feel the need to repeat it several times a day?


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 Post subject: Re: Is there more to Girona?
PostPosted: 20 Jan 2009 11:39 am 
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If you believed this then surely you wouldn't feel the need to repeat it several times a day?


It's not a "belief" but a fact. :lol:


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PostPosted: 20 Jan 2009 6:36 pm 
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Roger wrote:
Blanket denial


No such thing.
Third French Republic answers all the questions.


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 Post subject: pardon me for this tangent, but...
PostPosted: 26 Jan 2009 11:41 pm 
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What the hell does a bunch of froggy misfits of the 3rd Republic have to do with Girona? How many regroupings of govt occur under the 3rd republic? did they have any time left over to legislate + govern?

What can they off beyond typical run-of-the-mill froggy intrigue? Was Girona the place the entire govt retire to on weekends when Paris is underwhelmed with bored, restlesss native paris-ites looking for some excitement. I am sure they wouldn't mind re-enacting the original storming the Bastille Day as an every weekend attraction.


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 Post subject: There IS More to Girona
PostPosted: 10 Feb 2009 8:46 am 
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The mystery of Girona seems to be spreading its tentacles to other parts of Spain as successfully as that of Rennes-le-Chateau has to other parts of France. Attached is a Philip Coppens article for Societe Perillos about another wealthy priest with a penchant for building projects, this time in Jaen, in Andalucia, with references to the treasure of the Visigoths, the Cave of Hercules and Veronica of the Cloth.

http://www.perillos.com/jaen.html


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 Post subject: Re: There IS More to Girona
PostPosted: 10 Feb 2009 8:42 pm 
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richard.webster wrote:
The mystery of Girona seems to be spreading its tentacles to other parts of Spain as successfully as that of Rennes-le-Chateau has to other parts of France. Attached is a Philip Coppens article for Societe Perillos about another wealthy priest with a penchant for building projects, this time in Jaen, in Andalucia, with references to the treasure of the Visigoths, the Cave of Hercules and Veronica of the Cloth.

http://www.perillos.com/jaen.html


I'm not sure it's quite accurate to say that the "mystery of Girona" is spreading it's tentacles anywhere. More like the Société Perillos speading it's own tentacles in an effort to absorb every small enigma it can find into it's grand scheme to promote City of Secrets as the key to the Saunière story. A bit like Pierre Plantard and Phillipe de Chérisey attempting to corral every little historical oddity they could lay claim to as part of one large enigma with Plantard's fabricated Merovingian claim as the keystone. It's a little overdone.

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 Post subject: Re: There IS More to Girona
PostPosted: 11 Feb 2009 8:58 am 
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TCP wrote:
I'm not sure it's quite accurate to say that the "mystery of Girona" is spreading it's tentacles anywhere. More like the Société Perillos speading it's own tentacles in an effort to absorb every small enigma it can find into it's grand scheme to promote City of Secrets as the key to the Saunière story.


I was really trying for gentle irony there, Tim; addressing the historiography, rather than the history. That said, I take a different view to you on the SP, which I value as a resource, but I'm alive to the dangers of the everything is connected approach, or as one well known RLC researcher said of another, "carrying the mystery of Sauniere on one's back as a snail carries its shell". If only I could make a connection between RLC and/or Girona and my own city, which does have a very rich history, then I'm sure I'd do everything I could to lever it in to the discussion. Alas, nothing yet.


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 Post subject: Re: There IS More to Girona
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richard.webster wrote:
I was really trying for gentle irony there, Tim; addressing the historiography, rather than the history. That said, I take a different view to you on the SP, which I value as a resource, but I'm alive to the dangers of the everything is connected approach, or as one well known RLC researcher said of another, "carrying the mystery of Sauniere on one's back as a snail carries its shell". If only I could make a connection between RLC and/or Girona and my own city, which does have a very rich history, then I'm sure I'd do everything I could to lever it in to the discussion. Alas, nothing yet.


Well, Richard, there is hope. If anyone can make that RLC/Girona connection happen with your city, it's the Société Perillos. All you have to do is convince Andre Douzet to move there for a short period of time.

I have yet to see the SP deal with any of the authentic intrigues and enigmas of the city of Girona, or any of its genuine history. Which is a pity, because it has a fascinating story all its own, particularly the family of its medieval viscounts. But you'll never see the folks at SP go down that road, it leads to people, places and events they would rather not reveal.

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