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it represents something deeply shameful (quote)

the spear that a roman used to pierce christ's side...

http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=relics2

Hi Paula,

Warm greetings for the new year.

The Spear of Longinius is a fascinating topic all on it's own, but the thing pupporting to be it is in a museum, having been owned by the Hapsburg family, and has also been dated to c. 7th century (I think), so is therefore fake. If it were the real spear, assuming such a thing exists, then this might have some ritual significance, but as always I think the key word here is "shameful" (to the Catholic faith, and to Catholic European monarchy). I'm not sure that such a description could be applied to a relic of the (pre-christian) Roman era. But still a great topic.

Roger said this, in respect of the relic or object (9th December, 1744 hrs):

"... while the distant origin of the "object" is undeniably interesting, I doubt very much it can be ascertained with any precision at this time ..."

The clear inference is that this is something very old, that pre-dates Christianity, and possibly written records as well, so much so that it is doubted that its distant origin can ever be determined. A very ancient relic that would appear to have been appropriated in some way by a particular faith, or branch of a faith, and from which (perhaps) certain monarchs have derived or been demonstrated to possess the right to kingship. And also from which Sauniere was able to derive some favour or advantge subsequent to either discovering or recovering or acquiring it - either by selling it on to whoever has it now, or more likely by using the relic in some form of ceremony, leading to all the religious donations from all corners. As has been alluded, the key to finding out what the relic is may lie in determining the specific beliefs and practices of those orders who donated money.

Dont forget the other clues that Roger has given us.
The Oriflamme (Golden Flame)
The labarum, Chi Rho
I have it on good authority that these are important and i have spent months reading through the life of Constantine and what he really saw.
The Oriflamme is a depiction of the Labarum (At least i think so) and common sense tells us that he didnt really see a vision in the sky.....so what did he see????
Is this object the same object that everyone is searching for????
Mithras, sun worship, sun wheels, greek fire the list goes on and on but none of these things would have an impact in todays society.
The type of thing that would have an impact would be somthing like the Ark of the covenant or the Menorah......certain religeous groups would kill for them but why would they be important to the aristocracy/ monarchy?

Anyway.....just my thoughts for what they are worth

oh and i forgot to mention that a local in Girona told me that the Ark was kept there at one time and that was why the place has a strange atmosphere......we had this conversation in a bar at the bottem of the cathederal steps called "Le Arc" and this bar belonged to the Wolf in City of Secrets. Of all the names to call your bar why call it The Ark????
He was involved in a hit and run and the person responsible has not been caught !!!!!!!
There was lots of little La Sanch figures dotted about the shelves as well

I bring up this notion, 'cuz, Sauniere seems to be a 'games player' of sorts, much like todays' Dungeons + Dragons. I can easily envisge he created the equivalent of a ouija board within his Church and used it to summon up demonic powers the way the Wicca krowd do.

If his layout had this mystic purpose I doubt his parishoners would realize it, nor 1,000s of wanna be froggy Clouseau researchers. I wondered about this for quite sometime now, 'cuz 'roger' sez its shameful, which demonology definitely is.

He sez its quite old, which a ouija board + demonology is, and Asmodeus is there ready to join in. The area around RLC is as superstition laden if not more so than any other part of France. I have hard time imagining a guy like the Cure of Ars, John Vianney putting up with a slime bucket crook like Billard or Sauniere +his fella klerics for that matter.

The problem is Cure Vianney was a 1 in a million cleric, vs 1,000s of garden variety klones like Sauniere. France was never the beacon of light to illuminate the Church, if any thing it was an embarrassment to the Vatican 'cuz of its chequered past. Even today, France is not 'zakly in the fore front of all things Catholic.

Tingra mentions next door neighbor Girona area which always reminded me of being a gypsy hangout. In fact the entire Med basin reminds me of a huge gypsy slum. Folks definitely behave much differently the farther north ya go away from the Med Coast, and can call them self Spanish or French and not be mistaken for the sleeze around the Med basin.

So how come the RLC enigma hasn't encompassed all things gypsy? Henry and all the other writers seem to have forgotten their presence in this area for so many millennia. Marie D's background could easily be that of a gypsy, same goes for Sauniere. Just calling then French is meaningless. There is a remnant of Attila the Hun in the French that is conviently forgotten as well.

The book Paula linked to is full of splat + gore typical of how Attilla conducted biz, yet no mention made of this legacy, how come?

jake

shameful...

was jesus really dead when the roman soldier speared him? if not, well...that would indeed be shameful. a religion created by those who killed there own saviour?

just a thought.
me

The Gospel accounts are reliable testimonies, folks...

which gospels? the accepted ones or all that have been discovered?

it fulfilled the prophecy that no bone would be broken in jesus.

hi tingra!
your research amazes me
please do continue sharing your observations!
with gratitude,
paula

Now either you believe in the apparent historical accounts found in ANY gospels or you believe in the fulfillment of prophecies - they are two different things.

the prophecy i mention is written in one of the accepted gospels.

Then it is ceases to be a historical account, if it is a prophecy fulfilled.
The Gospels are not works of historical fact and no information about Jesus Christ can be gleaned from them.

Palsy,

I can tell by the stench yer unloading turds out of yer over-loaded funky nappy. Ya unloaded this stench on the Discovery Channel Tomb forum and only yer die-hard fella gnostics ya created so that you could have imaginary conversations with these alter egos ya created.

Ya shat yer wad on that forum and all yer preachiness went for naught, no? So now its recycle yer old worn out gnostic mantras on this forum, how come? Its just gonna end up being another bullshit-shoveling clean up after ya again.

jake

More spam from a conspiracy theorist with a grubby vocabulary that belongs to nowhere at all...

Here's an Urban Lingo Dictionary, to translate his messages:
http://www.urbandictionary.com

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palsy,

Ya ain't hip in any way shape or form, nor are these links worth the time to go thru them They are truly as lame as yer tired, worn-out mantra's. There are other ALTERNATE DICTIONARIES out there but they require that ya can handle them in their original form.

The slanguage links ya need are in the geek-nerdy krowd's realm and I ain't gonna waste folks' time linking to them, yer shoddy excuses for hipness is an insult to their intelligence. My ole bubba is inimical to that persona, just like ole jake is inimical to that persona, ya see there are 3 of us ya gotta deal with, ya know the deal, its me, myself, and I, and we 3 think ya need to unwind, chill out, cool yer heels, split to more welcoming premises, learn how to rap cool, get with the program, how many more hints do ya need to go out and play in traffc, act like the devil dog ya emulate and sniff some exhaust pipes on the run while yer at it, it'll do ya good.

jake

no shit sherlock...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dauphin_of_France

Eginolf, is this rendition accurate?

sincerely,
paula

Thanks for the 'Warm Greetings' Richard

Yes, I find the spear rather facinating...and the alledged miracle that transpired.

All of Me,
Paula

I have been asking roscoe about what happens when Sauniere goes digging in a graveyard, says a mass on a un-consecrated altar outdoors on un-consecrated ground that was previously used like a latrine by druids 1,000s of years ago,

This would mean according to roscoe's rosicru-gnostic-druid take only evil things can happen. The battle goes on under ground because Sauniere dumped his chamber pot on the same ground so now there is a internecine battle going on between holy shit and evil shit in that area.

May the stronger turd win. This is no joke its all serious because roscoe says so. He thinks he is in the right and the Church is in the wrong by putting Church functions on druid contaminated soil. Its the olde fashioned idea, once contaminated, always contaminated.

In this regard, since druids traipsed over this, and many other areas the Church built over, this holy shit - evil shit battle is forever going on.

The infallible Isaac Ben Jacob...


Middle English, from Medieval Latin infallibilis, from Latin in- + Late Latin fallibilis fallible
Date: 15th century
1 : incapable of error : unerring <an infallible memory>
2 : not liable to mislead, deceive, or disappoint : certain <an infallible remedy>
3 : incapable of error in defining doctrines touching faith or morals

'roger'

I had no idea yer fav'rit froggy trash metal band has the same title as the place where ya hang, dude. That fosse a purin is strictly froggy and I would never lower myself to meet ya on this one, the mirror will suffice.

http://www.cesspit.free.fr/

I looked at their website, it definitely is more to yer froggy tastes and lifestyle. I have a innate aversion to things froggy, they come across to close to Attila and his krowd. France definitely never got over the havoc Attila unleashed there.

Throw in a huge dose of incegenated gypsies and the evolution of a modern froggy surfaces. Like I said before, some unfortunate souls have to be froggies otherwise the place would have been deserted a longtime ago.

So this is what our taxes go towards ?

'roger',

Who in their right mind would wish to emulate a herd of animals just to be able to say hello? Being subjected to all things froggy, their insouciant, nose-picking behavior. There is nothing noble or rewarding in the emulation of animals, I know a lot of froggies who display the mannerisms of pigs when they eat, with a mouthful of food, snorting and grunting away. Restaurants all over froggland are full of these primitives who were never taught any manners by mommy, mainly 'cuz mommy had no manners to pass on 'cept the disgusting one's she gave her kids.

Methinks this wishful dream world you envision of froggyland only happens when yer on a LSD trip and never come back from it. How often have ya been around these druggies? That trash-metal band is symptomatic of what's called culture in froggyland today. They are the rule, not the exception. If ya wonder where I witnessed some of the worst table manners of froggies It was at SHAPE HQ when it was in Brussels at the French officers mess where they had a bunch of lo-rank troopies act like galley slaves, treated them the way zionists treat folk in Gaza.

I saw the froggies in action when they had a garrison in Speyer, it left a lot to be desired. The Germans saw them as bringing down the real estate values there. Just look at any slum called a modern froggy city, then be told the real slums are where immigrants lived. I saw no difference 'tween them, they all resemble what the UK countryside looks like where traveling gypo's leave a disaster zone.

What 'boot froggy driving habits in Paris? A 4 lane road suddenly has 6 lanes of traffic on it, sidewalks are fair game to by-pass traffic. I nearly got run over by one of those low-flying kamikaze pilots in a 2CV. I was at the Rue Marbeuf Army HQ in Paris once and thru connections was taken on a tour of Paris that made me wonder which group was predominant, ho's or ethical, monagamist women. The ho's of Paris are lowest of the low when it comes to vulgarity, it must be this gutter sleeze 'roger' gets his wet dreams about. No wonder he wants that vial of snake oil to wank with.

You may call me humpy, but lemme tella ya 'roger' I wouldn't humpy any of those sleazy ho's even with yer dick. Now, if that's yer kind of gal yer proud to bring home to yer mom, yer wife, yer kids, in typical Mitterand fashion, well just knock yerself out dude. I don't condone that froogy lifestyle you so dearly cherish, its far too perverted for me.

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Some of the things written on this Forum kinda make me feel sick. I have to be honest....