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...you're not following this at all are you.....( edited version ).

Just 'cos this comes under the Perillos thread Timothy ...doesn't mean you're up to date with the conversation...go back to page one & start again.

Post Script. Mr C. if you'd been interested in this conversation you might have realised that St Anthony is not necessarily being tempted at all...oh sorry, I forgot, you're a subscriber to the Daily Mail.

Oh, I've read and re-read the entire thread a couple of times, wondering if perhaps I'd overlooked something critical. The entire conversation gets stranger each time I read through it again. But funny!

TCP

Och well....at least you've got a sense of humour.

Would you like to change the subject. Seriously I'm very interested in Perillos and it's history...'specially it's mines, St Barbara & St Anthony & their connection with the Host.

I've read and re-read this odd thread and have no reason to believe that any of the various paintings titled "The Temptation of St. Anthony" depict anything but what the title indicates. The thematic consistencies between different renditions and artists don't leave much room for broad reinterpretations. I'm sorry, Sheila, but your flashes of inspiration don't ring true to me at all.

TCP

Isn't that the interesting point, though? (In fact, Sheila may have made it previously, in which case apologies, because rather than reading back through the whole text, I just looked at the pictures again.)

The chick seems to be the only non-fantastical creature on display; the only ordinary creature. Everything else is phantasmagoric, or else a peverted distortion of reality.

So given that, and the repetitious appearances in different paintings, it seems clear that the artist wants us to look at the chick. Whatever the interpretation of its meaning might be. So we should try and interpret it.

It's late. That's all I have .....

I try not to take anything too seriously.



Well...do you want the Andre Douzet/Filip Coppens screenplay, or actual historical details?

TCP

I am well versed with André's views on Périllos....I find his factual stuff very interesting & his other theories intriguing to say the least.

But I notice that St Barbara & St Anthony are both patron saints of gravediggers & both connected with the Holy Radience of the Sacred Host.

Thank you Richard for your voice of reason....Why is the chick on the vessel so important....that's all I want to know.

Try blowing the photos up to 300X and having another look at whether or not that's the body of a fowl. They seems rather smooth, oval, and devoid of detail or appendages like wings, do they not?

TCP

I have yet to see much of anything factual in Andre's views.



In artist's renderings I suspect you'll find the Host "radiating" no matter who is holding it. Not sure why you might think this is a special attribute particular to these two saints. Ideas?

TCP

Lots....but you are not the person to discuss them with unfortunately.

Ah well, have it your own way then. Which leads me back to my original question - are there any actual Catholics on this forum?

TCP

I am Catholic...

TCP

The evening after being tortured, St Barbara is said to have bathed her prison cell in light, just like st Roche did on his death in a prison cell. As far as I know St Anthony the Hermit did not exhibited a bodily radiance, but St Anthony of Padua did. The claimed bodily-radiance of these and other saints, especially female saints, and many lay and modern people, can be no different from the bodily-radiance that Jesus exhibited during his Transfiguration; or that Moses' exhibited when he came down from another mountain, etc.

Although I hope to expand upon this theme shortly, my article here on Arcadia provides sufficient information to understand the relationship that I'm suggesting exists between this physical bodily-radiance and the radiance of the chaliced host and its counterpart the Holy Grail.

John

In artist's renderings I suspect you'll find the Host "radiating" no matter who is holding it. Not sure why you might think this is a special attribute particular to these two saints. Ideas?

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Looks like I missed a good night last night - never mind. Supposed to have flu, but I'm told I'm in denial.

The Golden Bough - does the mistletoe get this name from the myth associated with Balder? That he will return one day and bring the return of a Golden Age. Similar to the myth/legend of Arthur and the heroes trapped in the underworld.

TCP - try reading my interpretation of the Shugborough inscription. I see that and the Poussin / Teniers meaning to be directly linked. Everything we are discussing at the moment, doves, two Jesus' are all linked. These links have been seen because people have posted on them. Is a bit like looking at those stereoscopic images - once you've seen it, you wonder why you couldn't see it before. Until you've 'seen' it it is difficult to believe its there (maybe).

As for the radiance. Are you saying this was a physical radiance? Is it anything to do with the colours merging descibed in Le Serpent Rouge. Maybe Crimson Dove, Shasta, Rhea would have something to say about this as its been mentioned that maybe it was more women than men who experienced this. Just a thought.

Yes - they ARE directly linked - but not to Rennes-le-Chateau or to Shugborough Hall.

They are linked to THIS:
http://www.rennes-le-chateau.tv/back/im ... 543140.jpg

Mr Norton asked...."In artist's renderings I suspect you'll find the Host "radiating" no matter who is holding it. Not sure why you might think this is a special attribute particular to these two saints. Ideas?3

Virginity.

OK, fair enough. I look forward to reading it.

TCP

Say it out loud.....Saintes Puelles...Sainte Ampoules.

I have read it, thank you. I don't share your equation of Arcadia with the Underworld. Interesting exercise in word associations, but I can't award the prize to you for solving the puzzle. Sorry.



I simply asked Sheila why she equates the radiance of the Host to Saints Barbara and Anthony (of Padua). I said or asked nothing about the physical radiance of saints in general.

TCP

Blood

Steady on guys...can we get back in sync here...we seem to be all talking over each other, & it doesn't make sense.