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Pulp Fiction comics have become "pseudo-archaeology"....

For those who never read anything about cargo cults this may be a 1st step to understanding things we nominally can't understand. Why, ya may ask? 'cuz to folk who encounter the equivalence today of what cargo cult cultures of WW1 + WW2 experienced.

Those groups of folk took a long time to realize + or rationalize that phenomena since there was nothing in their culture which prepared them for that experience. The worst was when the cargo flights stopped coming in and these folk were never informed. They would go to the runways expecting their daily dose of 'manna'.

Check these links for a modern version of a modified 'cargo cult'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_religion
http://www.wkrg.com/national/article/va ... ens/13868/
http://www.helium.com/items/1197492-bel ... lic-church
http://www.zimbio.com/UFOs/articles/175 ... em+believe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mXDCifQmf0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAdMk_zp ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCL2rhDj ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EPOsTVj ... re=related

in certain circles, all this UFO related activity is seen as a harbinger of another more sinister phenomenon, like this person perhaps...
http://www.newsweek.com/id/169192

This is just scratching the surface of this concept. The idea of accepting things as they are don't necessarily constitute a belief in them. I know communism exists don't automagically make me a commie, yet the spinmeisters assume that if the Vatican accepts an alien presence means they BELIEVE this ASSumption gNOstics love to bandy about.

How do ya like my adaptation of Ben's intracaps?

jake

War of the Worlds by HG Wells:
http://www.classicscentral.com/pic9/ci124c.jpg

This predates the Pulp Science Fiction/Horror Comics...

Norton said:


Actually, I believe that H.G. Wells (1866-1946) came long before 'War of the Worlds' circa 1956..in either case, we were not actually flying into space or landing on the moon..it was just a concept then...

Please Norton, stop running in circles and just give us an answer...if those are not UFO's in the ancient art paintings, then what are they? What do you see? Why would ancient artists create such "myths"? What was their source of information about flight?
Why is a simple straight answer so difficult for you ? If you could supply me with simple logical explanations, I am open to new interpretations, but you have yet to provide any! Pleeeze help us out here. Offer an explanation.

What are they Norton?

Shasta anyone who really does know is not saying much, we have to read between the lines and grab little quotes now and then as like from Dr. Musgrave in a public forum; "These guys are real... I guarantee it!"

Dr.Musgrave, like all involved in these high levels of govt., is under sworn life long affidavits of non-disclosure. But he's a phenomenal fellow trying to tell us something that he, well, can't...lol.
His youtube uploads concerning events he witnessed have been deleted, as far as can tell tonight, however I have them CD retained privately.

There are people who burn with curiosity and want to know, then there are those few who don't ...ahem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHAcDsUo_9U

Richard,



Dr. Musgrave witnessed this below outside of the camera lens. It discounts any possible skeptical assumptions of lens flares or dust motes in the near un-focus of a camera. There have been many 'proven ufo's' from Space Shuttle footage that have in fact turned out to be nothing more than the former explanations. As an aside, there are no longer any live feeds from Shuttle missions available from NASA. They're just too underfunded to keep up the facade under digital scrutiny so we only get the school kids edu-stuff for critical examination now.



http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/11/09/01935.html

The object in question appears at 4:37 minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scI60CC68Jw

The strangest thing in the universe? The universe:

http://dsc.discovery.com/space/top-10/strange-universe/space-10-weirdest-things-universe-10.html

What are they Norton? We wait breathless for your wisdom and insight.

Norton said:

There were comic books thousands of years ago?

Maybe you should ask him if ET's trafficked Masses.

Here's some similar goose bump raising quotes linked below in the meantime Shasta.

Yes this is on "the web" and I'm well aware of what that may imply to good skeptics but I was...aahh...I heard things, I heard some things to paraphrase Robert De Niro.

"In 1979 Maurice Chatelain, former chief of NASA Communications Systems confirmed that Armstrong had indeed reported seeing two UFOs on the rim of a crater...."The encounter was common knowledge in NASA, but nobody has talked about it until now."

""At no time, when the astronauts were in space were they alone: there was a constant surveillance by UFOs."...Astronaut Scott Carpenter.

http://www.20kweb.com/weird_stuff/ufo_sightings_by_astronauts.html

very interesting link. Thanx, Tea See Jay

I guess there will be no comment about it by Mistah Notton and he will not even dare to read it.

hey, Notton: did ya know that the late Gordon Wasson was convinced that the UFO's are existing and no mind buggle?

Wow. Those links were interesting. Now here are several questions that I cannot get out of my mind.

Question:
If UFO's are common knowledge in USA Government, then they must be common knowledge to Governments around the world, especially their Air Force pilots and astronauts. This suggests that pilots from China, India, Pakistan to Peru, they must all be aware of UFO's. But this implies a cover-up and cooperation on a global international scale that extends even to workers on the Space Station. I cannot imagine such a massive cooperative cover up that exists world-wide.. Any ideas?

Question:

Back to the original reason for this thread, UFO's in religious art. Can you accept the experiences of Adam, Abraham, Enoch, Moses, Mother Mary, and Jesus were direct result of 'First-hand" encounters? Of course if this proves true, then it affects all history, including bloodlines, HBHG, Magdalene and so-called "sacred feminine movements,RLC, and indeed the outcome of all history...

Question

Why can't Norton participate in this thread without feeling terrified and afraid of ridicule? I'm sure we could all benefit from his , err, ehem, wisdom and explanations such as he has for everything else relating to Jesus and bloodlines.

It's a very good question. The attached 1999 essay from the UFO Evidence archive offers some thoughts on the subject of government secrecy.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc96.htm

As we've already seen, some of the government employees have started to come forward and say things; their numbers are likely so small because in most cases they work for government agencies with stringent secrecy protocols in place. Why the employers have chosen to say so little is very mystifying. It's also interesting that two of the US presidents who have expressed the most interest, and indicated (prior to assuming the presidency) that they were minded to initiate greater openness on the subject - Presidents Ford and Carter - became much more reticent about this subsequent to taking the oath of office. Maybe when they were in a position to obtain all the necessary briefings, and understand the full story (in as much as it can be understood), they felt it was better to keep this from the rest of us. Makes you wonder why.

Further to the above, and with TCJ's NASA link in mind, another short film clip below featuring US government employees who have spoken publicly about these matters, in this case relating to a possible "base" on the moon.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=F43fBU1gyts

Richard,
I watched the video link you provided...abandoned base on far side of the moon...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jPyuPIrF730&feature=related

I was fully absorbed into it when suddenly I realized that the astronaut appearing in the film is wearing a space suite...but at some point as he's moving, I realized the suit appears not to be pressurized, which would be an absolute necessity. Instead of a full-blown pressurized suite, I could see folds in the fabric as he turned and moved around...
What do you think of this?

Shasta

Eginwolf said:



cute

Shasta

Let me recount an experience I had with a UFO back in the seventies when I was in the army. We were on exercise somewhere in the south of England and I was leading an eight man patrol through some woods during the night. As we slowly made our way along either side of a track we suddenly saw a bright light approaching us. The source of this light was a circular shaped object that was flying silently just above the tree line following the course of the path. We immediately froze into the trees on either side of the track, mindful that the light would spoil our night vision for a few moments, but with no noise coming from this aircraft many of us were forced to look up as it passed overhead. What I saw was a circular metal object emitting a beam of light down onto the ground. The light appeared to be coming from the whole of the craft, not from any particular spotlight. As quickly as it appeared, it was gone, then all hell broke loose as we tried to rationalise what had just flown over us? I made a call to HQ and was informed that there were no military aircraft in the area!

I haven't a clue what it was. All I can say is that it appeared to be made of metal and was round in shape. Underneath it had fan-like blades which didn't rotate, they simply radiated out from the centre of the craft like the petals on a flower. It made no noise as it travelled over us at a height of about 20-30 feet. It appeared to be travelling purposefully along the track illuminating it as it went.

I haven't drawn any hard conclusions from this experience, but I do keep one eye on the UFO scene in case someone makes a breakthrough. The fact that the only available evidence we have of these flying objects are our own subjective experiences, does make me suspect some form of mass hallucinary experience induced by some natural phenomena, like the geomagnetic "Earth lights" of Paul Deveroux for example? Like my father before me, I find it impossible to believe that the only planet in our universe to produce intelligent beings is the earth. But having said that, I do find it difficult to believe that alien beings have seeded or visited the earth, or that they are sending drones to keep an eye on us. I have thoroughly examined the case for alien intervention by Eric Von Daniken and others and have not been convinced by their evidence.

John

John, very similar to the Rendlesham Air Base event! Are you familiar with the work of Nick Pope over there?

Shasta, Richard's video of the Clementine probe shots is valid, however the 'moon base' video being explored is a notorious fraud said to be created in Spain. Like you my eyes immediately saw phony space suits too as agreed with below. It's as contrived as the "alien autopsy" film of ill fame.

This page linked below authors believes it all yet has enough material to make clear judgment with.

"At 5:19 into this video, an "astronaut" is shown from the back. His "life support pack" is a long, sharp cornered box-like object without any fittings, tubing, pipes or controls. Real environmental Apollo backpacks were relatively short compared to this, wider, covered in wrinkly white insulating blanket and quite complex. Real environmental back packs didn't extend almost down to their knees as this one does."

(scroll down a bit)
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_32.htm

However there many official photos and footage that lead to "ruin" exploration summations out there.

One of many, the Crisum Domes were shot during a flyover before landing. It's said the photographer was prepared for it's upcoming and took multiple shots while swiveling.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_12c.htm

Shasta
I think it's definitely fake, as TCJ says, but it's a different piece of film to the one I linked to, which is purely testimonies and photos of the lunar surface. One should always be a bit dubious about anything like this though, because it's so easy to fake things now. (And easy to be mistaken. I set off a Chinese lantern the other night, and watching that sail out across the night sky, someone who didn't know what it was could easily be forgiven for thinking it might be a UFO. Awesome sight, BTW.)
But because fakery has become so easy, I sometimes think the older photos are more reliable, because they're less likely to have been modified (and eyewitness testimonies from before the UFO craze impacted popular culture, post-WWII, can also carry more weight). Here's a link to a page of pre-1940 photos below. There are only eight in total, and a few could just be specks on the film, but the ones of Cave Junction, Oregon (1927), Ward, Colorado (1929) and Vancouver, British Columbia (1937) are quite convincing (especially when you read the accompanying testimonies, in the case of the latter two).

http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/ ... re1940.htm

One of the most important of the mass eyewitness events that there have been. A mass of detail on the link below.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/RendleshamForest.htm

That's exactly the sort of described experience that makes one believe in the phenomenon - from a reliable source (obviously), with multiple witnesses, and close enough to be able to determine detail. It's those sort of accounts that have led me to believe, rather than some of the more outlandish theories. It's not something I've paid all that much attention to, and have had no such experience of my own; it's more a case of weighing the vast number of reasonable accounts by reasonable people and judging that they can't all be wrong. And it only needs one of them to be right for there to be proof.

I also don't know what one does with that, or where it leads, or even if it matters all that much. But I think the various contributions here show that it can't be dismissed with a blanket denial.

If my memory serves me right our experience occurred during 1976. I can't remember exactly where we were, but it was an airbase surrounded by a huge expanse of flat woooded land, just like Rendlesham. I remember thinking when the story broke how similar the experience was and how familiar the place looked.

As to an explanation... I've looked for one, but nothing has come close to explaining this global phenomenon? I wouldn't like to say whether these flying objects explain some of the events in the Old Testaments, etc, I certainly haven't found anything conclusive during my studies.

John

I saw a documentary made about the Rendlesham Air Base event. It was the most convincing proof anyone could ask for!


I also carefully read through the 1999 article that tried to explain the UFO cover-up.



It makes sense that any alien contact over the long term cannot be subjected to new Presidents and change of world leaders through wars and elections every few years. This would not represent stability, hence the reason for the establishment of clandestine departments that overide Presidents, Popes, and kings....we are not united under one world order and this is the problem for "aliens"...do they say hello to Communist Chinese this year, and Arab Muslims who might dominate the world with very different ideas a few years later? It must be daunting to encounter a chaotic world like ours. The poor aliens would no sooner sign treaties for exchange of information, than a new election and new leaders would demand new changes.

Shasta

Raytheon has been promoting ideas gleaned from files the FBI took when they searched Tesla's workshop when he died. The time span is the more interesting part 'cuz Tesla died in early 1940s and Raytheon talked about their latest sci-tech gadgetry in the 60s.

If it took a modern hi-tech firm like Raytheon 20 years to make working models from Tesla's sketches and formulations, who knows what they were capable of 20 years further down the road. The major object Tesla wanted funding for was a satellite placed in orbit to be used as a sort of transmitter to beam electricity and other energy beams to locations out at sea or wide expanses of terrain.

My take is Goddard worked on multi-stage rockets and potential load factors at same time Tesla approached the Pentagon with his satellite idea. The big hitch was a missile to place a satellite in geosynchronous orbit. The Germans had a similar idea with their V rockets, but they were intended for surface to surface use initially.

He was working on plasma pulse engines for drones to do recon work similar to what's going on in Afghan-Paki arena. These are no longer considered sci-fi dreams, they are the product of a genius who saw their feasibility in the 1930s if he got the funding.

The recent spate of metallic appearing objects would be consistent with a reflective surface to create 2-way beam and energize an on board plasma jet. The proximity to a military installation means the source of energizing radio beams came from those installations. Instead of spying on those installations they were used as surveillance objects for the benefit of those installations.

jake

jake said:



I just read an article about the reality of all energy requirements on earth being beamed down through space transmitters...created and transmitted as laser-like beams...awesome concept. No more internal combustion engines...or dangers from nuclear waste., no windmills or solar panels...just endless beams of light transmitting the sun's energy.