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All quiet on the OI front, it would appear. Not a word from Will...

What's new? Talk to me guys. What's going on with OI right now?

Andrew

Andrew,

As you may expect, the story this “Will” character perpetuates is a hoax, a fictional tale who’s true value lies in it's audacity and cheek.

As for Oak Island, the treasure hunters had a very brief window of time in which they were able to actually do some treasure hunting and they drilled six new holes, some as deep as 300 feet in what may be fairly termed, non traditional areas. This was done during a short period of time in which their Treasure Trove Licence was valid.

The island in the meantime is being cleaned up and over 30 tons of metals (old drill pipes, derelict machinery, etc.) have been taken away and they are in the process of clearing off hundreds of trees from the western end of the South Shore beach.

The current scene is a tragedy reminiscent of a Shakespearian play and they have run into an unfortunate array of bureaucratic red tape that has effectively delayed them until perhaps next summer. The crux of the matter is the Treasure Trove Licence and Heritage Permits they need to dig (legally) and at the moment can’t get, it’s complicated.

There is a some great work done by D’Arcy O’Connor to document the trials and tribulations faced by Oak Island Tours Inc. in a chronological manner, and I invite you to drop by Jo’s web site to review it for yourself.

Explore Oak Island Days is set for next June 19 - 21/09 and would be an excellent opportunity to walk on and see the island that has caused so much interest among your participants, “Will” included. More details will be posted at Jo’s site when they are announced. Flights are not getting any cheaper, you better come over soon to see this amazing place for yourself someday soon.

You don't need a permit to dig a well. As long as they own the property, Oak Island residents can drill or dig all the holes they want, looking for water. Then if they happen to hit metal, purposely buried by someone, instead of water, that's when they need a treasure trove permit. No point obtaining a permit for a treasure you haven't found yet. That only becomes a factor if you want to take possession of such a find. Then the Province takes an interest because they want their cut. Until then, why would they care about somebody digging holes on their property looking for "water"?

It just so happens I was able to post something on the 'Mother Goose' thread http://andrewgough.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1296&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 on the same day that Andy started this thread.

Although the Nov 18th post in question is about new landscape geometry found at Glastonbury it is of direct relevance to Oak Island:



Not mentioned in the post is the fact that a distance on the map of 153mm plays a very important part in the geometry at Glastonbury. Remind anyone of 153 metres at Oak Island?

Thanks for the great update Tank04. Very interesting.

I will have a look at the site for the full account, but thank you for sharing what you have.

Have we heard the last from Will?

Andrew

Andrew,



I certainly hope so. The library is full of fiction and much of it far better written than poor Will's offerings. Like I said before, it is entertaining, but far fetched.

I realized that a link to the section that speaks of the trials and tribulations would do wonders for you and any readers who may want to learn more about why the treasure hunt on Oak Island has stalled, so here it is. D'Arcy's information is scattered throughout this thread, but a quick scan of his posts will tell you exactly what is going on. If you have any questions, feel encouraged to ask.

http://forum.oakislandtreasure.co.uk/vi ... f=1&t=3985

I see the Oak Island forum is still run by the Gestapo. Wouldn't want anyone who isn't a member of the Nazi Party to be able to read the highly sensitive information now would they? And by "Gestapo" and "Nazi" I mean in attitude, not actual political allegiance.

Actually, they're doing the public a big favor by not exposing them to the forum posts without registration. That way, innocent children can't stumble upon them and be scarred for life. Just my personal opinion, of course, based on nothing but actual experience on the forum. Trying to present a valid theory about the mystery and being piled on by Tank and the other regulars with extremely crass insults which were completely condoned by the site owner, Joanna Atherton, then being banned for having the gall to actually respond to them rather than say, "please, sir, may I have another" can tend give a person a negative impression of the forum. Go figure.

Anyone who doubts this can simply read Tank's posts on this very forum from a few years ago. Those were toned down because this forum isn't run by Jo Atherton. On her forum, Tank is allowed free reign and his crassness is unrestrained. Have you actually solved anything about Oak Island yet, Tank, or are you still simply the self appointed judge of anyone who has, which would be a list of one, namely me? What's your qualification for that role? Oh yeah, You happen to have walked around on Oak Island and I haven't. Seeing the surface of the ground really makes a big difference, doesn't it Tank? Let me guess, a lot of grass and trees?

Those guys from the States could have saved themselves the trouble of obtaining a treasure trove licence, because they had no chance of hitting anything vaguely qualifying as a treasure anywhere other than where the treasure was buried, which they completely ignored. First rule of looking for treasure on Oak Island, don't ask Dan Blankenship where to dig.

Here, I'll save people the trouble of being vetted by the paranoid delusional Atherton, the most recent recovery efforts would have gone something like this; they drilled some holes somewhere OTHER than the only place where any evidence of an actual deposit of any sort was ever identified, the "Money Pit" spot itself, and found nada. Who could predicted that?

JB,

I see you are still harboring much resentment toward the Oak Island Treasure Forum - honestly man, can you not let bygones be bygones?.



Correction: Tank is allowed free reign because he is a highly respected member of the Oak Island community, and his crassness is unrestrained because he isn't crass at all.

And sure, I may be saying that because he's a friend, but first and foremost I'm saying that because it's the TRUTH.

Now, let's drop all of this pointless bickering and get down to something more constructive:



Well, clearly you seem to think you can predict that, so go ahead an qualify that statement. Why shouldn't they be exploring other areas? Just because the Money Pit seems like the likely spot doesn't necessarily mean that it is.

Indy

P.S. - Thank you to Andy for reactivating my account!

Actually they SHOULD drill and dig in every other square foot of Oak Island than the treasure pit itself. That way, the treasure will never be recovered by the unworthy. Maybe Tank HAS stopped being crass, insulting and rude to people, after I humiliated him and put him in his place on this very forum. I would have done the same thing on Atherton's forum but, of course, she simply banned me to protect little Tanky. I couldn't help notice that little Tanky didn't say "no, let him speak freely, I can defend myself and don't need mommy Jo to step in". Nope, he was very happy to hide under her skirt. Too bad Andy Gough doesn't wear a skirt. He had to actually engage in prolonged debate with me, in which it was extremely obvious who was getting the better of whom. Let's just say, one of us turned tail and ran back to mommy Jo. Sure he's respected, by such people as populate Mommy Jo's forum. To them, he's a friggin' genius. But then, so is George Bush. I'll let bygones be bygones when Tank apologizes for defiling the name of the Grail Star with his crassness.

That wouldn't be Mount Pleasant would it? The best representation of an Ouroboros we've yet to see.



I presume you are familiar with the significance of the number 153? For one thing it is the Gematria equivalent for the Magdalene.

If not perhaps you can start by reading the Gospel of John 21 1-14
But that's not all. 153 is a unique number as it is the sum of the cubes of it's own digits.
i.e. 1 x 1 x 1 + 5 x 5 x 5 + 3 x 3 x 3 = 153.

And that's not all.

If someone here thinks that this is contrived then perhaps I should add that Pythagoras spent a large part of his life on Mount Carmel long before Jesus was born.

I don't know what RM meant about 153 meters on Oak Island. The second vault was 153 feet down from ground surface, though. The number comes from the dimensions of a Vesica Pisces, 265:153.

RenaissanceMan,



I have spent some time thinking about it and I can't come up with anything relevant to Oak Island and Glastonbury. Can you provide more information?

153 metres is about 502 feet and there is not a hole on Oak Island of relevance that is this deep. I also cannot think of a measurement of 502 feet that is relevant, I need more info to comment. Imperial measure as opposed to metric, has been used at Oak Island since day one, so “153 metres” does not immediately come to the fore front.

The only thing I can think of that would be approx. 500ft. in 'anything' would be the flood tunnel from Smith's Cove to the Money Pit - it's length, not depth, however does it matter?

Enlighten me,

Indy

Indy,

Good observation, but I think the distance quoted was in excess of 500 feet, maybe as much as 520 feet. Of course, that will depend on where you start and end with your measurement and you can easily get rid of an extra 20 feet I suppose.

Like you, I need more to go on.

Tank,

Good call, it is 520ft - but with this Rosicrucian geometry, that wouldn't be precise enough would it?

Oh for crying out loud, he was talking about 153 mm on a map. It's a scale map. Once you convert it to real world dimensions it isn't 153 anything, unless the scale is a multiple of 10, such as 10,000:1, and even then it would be a metric dimension. He then said something about 153 meters on Oak Island. There was never any mention by anyone in the history of Oak Island about a 153 meter dimension, and even if there were it would be completely meaningless because they didn't even use meters on Oak Island. Everything is in common 12 inch British feet. There is only one thing about Oak Island that involves the number 153, and it's the depth of the cement vault.

Indy,



And therein lies part of the problem. Many would argue that this mystic German society didn't even exist in the first place. However, those who subscribe to the notion they did exist have attributed many accuracies to their alleged presence and secret knowledge.

I’ve read a few fanciful theories about Oak Island that claim great and precise accuracy, to the decimal point, over many, many miles and even includes the curvature of the Earth. As Alice said, it just gets Curiouser and Curiouser.

Andrew told me somebody went running to him complaining that I was playing too rough for them. Am I the only person here who doesn't go running to the moderator every time somebody says something other than "here comes the choo-choo train"? How old are you people, five? Mommy, Billy stuck his tongue out at me, make him say he's sorry. Grow the hell up, will ya? Oh, I can see the next message to Andrew now, "JB said a bad word, make him say he's sorry". I have never in my life gone running to the moderator of a forum griping about what somebody said to me. You have to live with the fact that you did. Are you comfortable with that? I'd rather stick a sword through my own heart than prove to myself and the rest of the forum that I'm a woosie. How do you have any self respect after that?

Sorry about the confusion I seem to have caused. Lets try and straighten it out.

Do you OI types keep up with the rest of the forum?
I have recently been posting on some work I have been doing on RLC, particularly the landscape geometry. I have found the basics of David Wood's RLC landscape geometry to be repeated at Glastonbury in a most convincing way. All the various layers of his design are repeated with the exeption of one. The right leg of the pentagram coincides with a field on the edge of the village of Charlton Adam. This field/area is marked on the 25,000:1 Ordnance Survey map as Pleasant Spot.
Despite the layers at Glastonbury being at different orientations to those at RLC, the alignments and check-circles etc that Wood found still line up. This sounds impossible, but it is there in black and white. Anyone can check it. The geometry at Glastonbury is described in detail with large scale map images of the design on my web site starting at http://www.hiddenlandscapes.co.uk/example3d.htm

Along the way I found errors that Wood had made. When the geometry at RLC is redrawn, the result is staggering. The result at Glastonbury is mind-boggling.

One of the major dimensions on the map at Glastonbury is 153mm. (At Glastonbury the dimension on the map in mm seems important, just as Henry Lincoln and David Wood found the dimension on the ground in miles at RLC to be relevant.) I typed "Remind anyone of 153 metres at Oak Island?". I was not pointing out a new dimension at OI. I made a mistake. I should have typed "153 feet". Sorry if it led you astray.

I see RLC as Stage 1, Glastonbury as Stage 2 and OI as Stage 3. It is vital to understand at least the geometry at Glastonbury before any headway can be made at RLC. Glastonbury will, I am sure, give pointers to OI. I do not see OI as a 'mark the X and dig the treasure' operation. It will be at least as complex as RLC and take many years to solve. There are as many allegories here as at Glastonbury and RLC. 153 here is a depth: doesn't that indicate a 3D puzzle? The cross has already been likened to the constellation Cygnus. Was the cross not also used as a star-sight? How good are we at spacial geometry these days?

Please try drawing out the geometry at Glastonbury and RLC yourselves to see the interconnected overlays and other complexities we are talking about here. See how the same alignments and check-circles align at both locations despite the vast difference in both length and angle. (Btw, I don't think the geometry at OI will be anything like that at RLC and Glas - I have a hunch it will be far more complex).

I have no inclination to start dabbling with OI at the present, though I would like to visit the site when I have more time available. If I was working on this, the first thing I would do is thoroughly research all the MikMak folklore and legends however seemingly inconsequencial. I would make sure that none where lost. I would also preserve the site. Any feature might be essential to eventually solving the puzzle (air shaft at Giza, anyone).

The most dangerous thing is obsession. If you stand too near the screen you loose sight of the big picture and possibly even, focus itself. But nothing I say is going to alter what you do is it. I just hope you don't cause too many problems for the generations that follow.

RM

I wouldn't put much stock in the Wood's Pentagram. Seems like a pretty arbitrary shape to me. The same thing matching up with something or other at Glastonbury is 99.9% probably simple chance. They may have used a standard geometric shape, like regular pentagram or hexagram, but I very much doubt that ancient peoples would have had the slightest interest in such a distorted pentacle as used by David Wood. What would make such a shape significant? That's wood's own invention, as far as I can see. Just my personal opinion. I also don't see a spider in that image on your site. That's just trees left between agricultural areas. Purely random tree growth. If it actually looked like a spider it might be interesting, but it doesn't. Unless anything with 8 random points is a spider. Don't mean to be harsh, but I just don't see anything on your site that looks like anything other than ordinary land features.

In contrast, when I look at this part of Mahone Bay, I see a very obvious star shape. The first time I saw a map of of that part of Nova Scotia as a teenager i noticed the star shape. That was long before I had any interest in Oak Island or Nicolas Poussin. It's an extremely obvious star shape. Of course, Tank doesn't see anything unusual. That's what sets me and tank apart. I can detect obvious shapes and he can't. Can't imagine how he could possibly miss it, but I guess he's the type of guy who could miss the Empire State building.

Oh great, the geometry thing again.

Look, as impressive as it seems, I think that there is a much simpler answer to this mystery than a gazillion lines on a map. Why? I don't know really, but I think that your being a 'super genius' and 'descendant of King David' has you overthinking this thing way too much, JB. You can laugh at that statement and put me down all you want, however you and I both know that you've solved nothing when it comes to Oak Island.

How long have you been insane, Indiana Jones, is this a recent thing or were you born that way? Speaking as a Davidic super-genius, I can assure you that the Grail Star shown in that image is the one and only real solution to Oak Island.

Can't you see the star shaped formation and how it would have been impossible for the people who dug the treasure pit on nearby Oak Island not to have noticed it the first time they made even the crudest map of the bay? There is no other reason to have chosen Oak Island as the treasure deposit location. Were it not for that star formation, there would BE no Oak Island mystery. Give me some other good reason to choose Oak Island over, say, an island in the Carribean? There are none. Then give me another reason to choose that particular spot on the island rather than, say, a spot in the middle of the large western part of the island, which would have been harder to stumble upon and has nice stable slate bedrock instead of highly unstable anhydrite? There ARE none. I'm the only person in the world who has a valid reason for any of that. Unless, of course, the great Indiana Jones intends to provide some right here and now. Or Tank, for that matter. Let's go, smart guys.

RM,


You and I have never “spoken” so I had no idea what you had in mind, I understand better where you are coming from now.



No, personally, I haven’t been posting here for a long time, but I do check in on occasion to see if there is any logical Oak Island discussion going on. Andrew was looking for an update so I stepped in to give him an answer.

Like you, I am not going to “dabble” in any of the more esoteric explanations for Oak Island like Glastonbury or RLC. I have read enough to satisfy myself (for the time being) there is no obvious connection. History shows us that nothing of consequence has been found any where else in the bay that is connected to Oak Island. There is of course one exception, a curious carving allegedly found on a rock about a mile north of the island that no one has seen in modern times. Like many of my skeptical friends may say, “but I wait to be proven wrong.”

I have looked into Mi’ Kmaq legends and there is only one story that speaks of Oak Island and that story can be found on the Oak Island Tourism Society’s web site under “Scribes Corner.” Take a look at it and see what you think, the evidence is weak, but none the less, there it is. I have also talked to some pretty knowledgeable people from the Mi’ Kmaq world and they had nothing new to offer.


I’m not sure what you mean, but by way of clarification, I am not a land owner, nor am I a treasure hunter, so I have little impact on future generations, My main concern is the preservation of Oak Island history, rejuvenation of the interest in Oak Island and the eventual possibility of a major tourism attraction at Oak Island.

If you have the means to travel to Nova Scotia, please do so when we are having our annual festival, Explore Oak Island Days. I can offer you a guided tour of Oak Island, show you interesting history, maps, photographs, artifacts and so much more. Plus. You can listen to very interesting guest speakers, that alone is worth attending. In 2009, EOID takes place on June 18 - 21.

JB,



Well, that's really not likely to happen - it's not that I don't have any insights, it's simply that I'm waiting for the right moment to make them public. And in case you're wondering, no, this isn't the 'right moment' I'm talking about.



Tell you what, you find one of those 'crude' maps they 'must' have made, and I'll drop all resistance to your theory - I'm not saying that I'll agree with what you have to say, I'll simply stop arguing with you. Unless you can prove the existance of one of those maps, then how do you explain how they noticed the Star formation?



That's a good question, and I'm afraid that I don't have an answer for you. But insanity is all relative, isn't it? I mean, next to you, I guess I seem insane, however when compared to, say, Jack the Ripper, I come across as rather sane.



Indy

Thanks for your comments Tank04.

June is far enough away for there to be a chance that I might be able to attend your festival. I would certainly like to get the feel of the area. Seeing Canada would be nice too! Who knows?