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Well, they did exist before ordnance survey maps. They were built before such maps were invented. The proof is in their ..... existence. The point you appear to be driving at - that the placement of these sites is completely random - could only be valid if they were shown to be constructed not before ordnance survey maps, but before geometry. But we know that can't be the case because geometry has always existed.

So the order is : Geometry. Pagan site placement. Christian church placement. Ordnance survey maps. Henry Lincoln, David Wood and others using such maps to determine the previous.

There is no written reference to the past existence of the geometry that can be created today and tomorrow.

Not necessarily, although it's the most persuasive part of your argument by far. You'd think there'd be something, and yet there isn't, to the best of my knowledge, until Alfred Watkins discovers ley lines in the 1920s. It is problematic; I would concede that.

However, if all the placements do date from pagan times, then absent any written record, it may just be that they took a long time to be discovered. If there have been rare subsequent instances of structures being built to conform to some kind of pattern, then this knowledge could have been restricted to all but the very select few in charge of the construction, and this select few might have had good reason to keep their accomplishments to themselves, particularly if to have done otherwise would have been to advertise a certain unorthodoxy of belief.

A couple of observations:

1. The Combe Loubiere junction isn't really "a place where three ancient trackways meet", is it? One track merely branches off the main uninterrupted track. It is not a meeting of three separate tracks.

(Now you're gonna accuse me of being pedantic, aren't you?)

2. Where's the calvaire?

3. The north point (as calculated from accurate coordinates) of Wood's alleged pentagram lies in dense forest a fairly considerable distance to the northwest of the Combe Loubiere junction.

4. Within a few metres of the ('real') north point there's the vestigial remains of walls or terracing (I know this cuz I've been there). I don't know how old these remains are, although they're probably not ancient.

5. There are many dozens of similar junctions in the area (i.e., area represented by the Quillan map). Pick almost any point on the map -- it won't lie far from a road junction.


The Combe Loubiere road junction (or position thereof) is not significant.


David.

I wouldn't expect anything else from you.

How ancient do you want? St Eligius was describing the places of worship in the 7th century. And I have some evidence that pagan practices were being carried out at least in the 19th century. Indeed there are some villages who practice the pagan festivals even today.



Removed or broken. The practices at the trackway was enough to have the church authorities to place a calvaire at the site (shown by the cross on the Quillan map).



What point are you using for a datum mark? Is this unspecified "considerable distance" less than 10 metres again. experience shows that your "considerable distances" are not very considerable.



The point of interest is the three trackways. There may well have been a large tree there once.



Only those which the Church have "not to destroyed pagan temples, but rather replaced the idols with the relics of saints" shall be considered.



Significant enough for the church authorities to place a calvaire there at some time in the past. Check out the cross on the map right next to the junction of the three trackways.

It depends what language they wrote in.

It is not the problem that they never wrote anything, the problem lies with you not being able to understand it or you even noticing that someone is trying to communicate at all.

POUSSIN TENIERS GUARD THE KEY

Here's the task


Translate and have it on my desk by lunchtime.

That's precisely the point.
You can't translate the writing.
You have not got the evidence.

But what you are doing is pushing the pressure on critical research whereas the burden of proof lies with you - you are the one making the claims.

These look like runes. Is this not Druidic writing?

Kind Regards,
Paula

Each Rune represents as symbol...an Idea. At least this is how they are used today.

Regards,
Paula

They are Runic symbols.
Connected to Philippe de Cherisey's "parchments" and his encrypted messages.

All that is missing is the connection with the Loch Ness Monster, Flying Saucers and Count St. Germain.

Oh, and let's not forget Barnes Wallis, inventor of the Bouncing Bomb.

-Grin- quite witty!

The Druids were very 'into' the magic of nature and Stones...? no?

I am guessing (yes indeed, guessing) that some stones are more compatible with certain intentions.

Look at the quartz crystal...most watches contain one to regulate and modulate the battery energy. So, the telling of time is of essence when using this particular rock in our watches.

stones, trees...the 4 elements (and i gather the 5th) was also of interest...

me

Hi Roscoe
Do you have the position of the stone with the "runes" on ? GPS would be nice , but even a rough locality will do.
Thanks
Nic

Thanks Roger.
Regards
Nic
p.s congrats on your 1000 posts !

Roger - what a whopper!

California is the capital of the world for that sort of thing.

I can translate the writing, they're Runes as Roger pointed out they're from Sweden. If you had clicked on the picture you would have been taken to a website which explained all.

Not only didn't you click on the picture you didn't click on the phrase

POUSSIN TENIERS GUARD THE KEY If you had you would have been linked to the Clavicula Salomonis. The KEY of Solomon.

The Clavicula Salomonis was translated by Liddell MacGregor Mathers, William Robert Woodman and Dr Wynn Westcott who were all members of the Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia (SRIA) – founded in 1860 by freemason R.W.Little. The SRIA was the first modern Rosicrucian movement who included other members such as John Yarker, P.B. Randolph, E Bulwer-Lytton, A.L. Constante (Eliphas Levi), Theodor Reuss, Kenneth Mackenzie, Frederick Hockley. Worthy of mention in this context is a group which sprang from the SRIA called the Corona Fellowship of Rosicrucians – OTRC. One member of this group Frater Aurelius founded the modern witch movement called Wicca.

Another group springing from this was the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn who left their calling card on the Sauniere Parchments and very possibly in Sauniere's church.

Basically the problem is that you are looking for evidence that you can understand. This doesn't mean that this has never been written down. I have no need to convince you, you must look for yourself.

Oh and before you think you can guess at my beliefs and put two and two together and make six (like yer do), I am very very very interested in the people who do this stuff, I am not in any way interested in the stuff itself.

But here is some of that STUFF.

REX MUNDI


Lord of the East, title now held by St Michael in the Christian church.
(You think they would have laid those tiles straight wouldn't you?)

PAR CE SIGNE TU LE VAINCRAS

These aren't Runic



Can you believe it, some people think this all has to be written down in Greek or Latin or even English.

Here's it written down for you:



So is there any writing here?

The fact that YOU don't understand this doesn't make the hypothesis wrong.

J'étais comme les bergers du célèbre peintre POUSSIN, perplexe
devant l'enigme : "ET IN ARCADIA EGO..."! La voix du sang allait-elle
me rendre l'image d'un passé ancestral. Oui, l'éclair du génie traver-
sa ma pensée. Je revoyais, je comprenais ! Je savais maintenant ce se-
cret fabuleux. Et merveille, lors des sauts des quatre cavaliers, les
savots d'un cheval avaient laissé quatre empreintes sur la pierre, voi-
là le signe que DELACROIX avait donné dans l'un des trois tableux de
la chapelle des Anges. Voilà la septième sentence qu'une main avait
tracée : RETIRE MOI DE LA BOUE, QUE JE N'Y RESTE PAS ENFONCE. Deux
fois IS, embaumeuse et embaumée, vase miracle de l'éternelle [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Goddess]Dame
Blanche des Légendes.[/url]

Virgo - Le Serpent Rouge

This writing is at Bugarach

More on these Scandinavian stones below.

http://home.swipnet.se/~w-93783/Bjorket ... torp2.html

Anything to do with King Kong?

So will you be decorating a tree, bringing in a Yule Log and putting up Mistletoe for these coming celebrations?

You want Ancient Texts? Hah! It never went away.

Why don't you stop simply sounding off and educate yourself. See Axe Historique

Ever read the book voted by literature academics from Oxford as the most important book of the twentieth century? The book is named after Mistletoe.

You might do well to look at this



Ahem!!! Comments?

Want to know what Sauniere's secret was? He knew that his chosen profession was stolen and had more to do with population control than anything else.

So tell me what part of this photograph is Christian.

It never went away

Oh my.....

Vivien Leigh and Bob Dylan MUST have been related to each other because one starred in the film "Gone With The Wind" and the other wrote the song, "Blowin' In The Wind".

I take it that when the word "God" was devised in the English Language it was not coincidental that when spelled backwards produces the word "Dog" - and the proof of it being intentional lies in the ENIGMA of Rennes-le-Chateau.

Just look at the statue of St Roch in Sauniere's Church:
http://www.renneslechateau.com/photos/0178.htm

The "Dog" (meaning "God" to the initiated - and remember Boudet claimed that English was the source of all languages) is also a coded reference to the star system of Sirius - where the Annunaki originated and travelled to our planet in order to impregnate it with civilization and intelligence - and look at the similarity between the Sumerian "Tree of Life" found on their cylinder seals:

http://www.greatdreams.com/reptlan/20-seal_neo.jpg

With the flower-designs found on Sauniere's Church above the "This Place Is Terrible" Inscription:

http://www.rennes-discovery.com/images/porch1.jpg

All of this is proof that there is material evidence of the Annunaki's existence - linked directly to the village of Rennes-le-Chateau - because their skeletal remains can be found in the burial crypt of Sauniere's Church - this is the SHOCKING SECRET that Sauniere discovered, and that was also the SECRET of Pierre Plantard and the Priory of Sion.

Remember that the Annunaki were dressed in "Fish suits" and that the Merovingians had a creature that was part-Fish as an ancestor. This also involves the Jewish Line of David because one of the earliest symbols of Christianity was the Fish - and remember the word found on Boudet's tomb in Axat!

Yes, it all fits together.........

Mr Norton

From your various posts here and elsewhere I conclude that you have a mission in life. Either as a Christian saint zealously contesting a tide of heathen debate, or as a papal weapon countering a wave of rational thought?

Of course, I must first ask Andrew whether this forum is for debating matters theological or historical? It's a question I didn't think I would find myself asking when I joined, but I'm seeing so many questions countered, not by reasoned analysis and data, but by assertions of faith, that this forum risks losing the respect of many of its participants.

John

(Neat trick embedding the links into the images!)

Well done Roscoe, you are very, very close.

But... You seem to be delving into occultism - what is written by the groups, rather than trying to find what is hidden - the occult. Are you sure this will not lead you astray? Is for instance the writing known as The Key of Solomon really what is refered to in the clue?

The people you mention were not interested in the occult simply to regain lost knowledge. They were interested in the aquisition of power, and self-agrandisement. It could be said they were led astray on many levels.

However... You are spot-on with many things. Celtic mythology will start to play a far greater part in this mystery. Those who understand the concepts described by Robert Graves in The White Goddess will be able to cut through the undergrowth. The Golden Bough is useful as a primer only.

As to astrology, maybe it is best described as the illustrations to the book of mythology. We will see more shortly.

Your deduction that writing can be formed from any set of geometric forms, and that consequently any geometric construct can be used to pass on information once the language is understood was masterful - and naturally went right over M Norton's head. That is what you were saying wasn't it?

Maybe we should all bear in mind the reason for our quest.
We are trying to find something lost. A great treasure. Something lost so long ago that the truth of what it is, or even the fact that it exists at all, is itself lost.
We have clues that we are not sure are genuine or if they are accurate. They are so cryptic and deep that they seem to involve the very deepest levels of man's understanding of his religious past, going so far back as to be lost in mythology and astrology.
Normally, it is at a time like this that we would return to the primary source, the original writing from which all else stems. Until now we have had to assume that this does not exist, that it too is lost in the mists of time.
That may not necessarily be true.

I am about to post again in the Mother Goose thread. You should find it very interesting.

RM

We may disagree on a few things but I totally agree with your sentiments and your approach to what is a much wider enigma.

John

RM


Absolutely correct. I was tempted to question your assertion that they were "led astray", but then I remembered Mr Smith and his Christian fathers.

John