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I wrote this to you Tingra...a few posts up on this thread...

Blessings,
Paula

sorry Paula but i got a bit way layed reading the different threads.....

Yes i do understand what you mean because i consider myself to be a normal down to earth rational person, i am not into the esoteric mumbo jumbo that is talked about on here BUT that painting did make me feel uneasy and depressed, i can understand why the book made you feel like that (you are obviously a very sensitive person)
I have decided to lay off this subject now because its getting me down and i really dont like the stuff i am finding out time to lighten up i think.

hey sweetie! some say i am much too sensitive. oh well...it is me.

if you like poetry...join my poetry group it is a small, group and we have fun there. we also share our works...so if you write or just need a break...come on by.

all of me,
paula

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalen_Asylum

Were there any 'asylums' in Montreal, Quebec...Canada...in 1968?

All of Me,
Paula

oh for goodness' sake... what were they called?

All of Me,
Paula

AND...What of Their Children?

Me

"I was an unmarried girl
I'd just turned twenty-seven
When they sent me to the sisters
For the way men looked at me
Branded as a jezebel I knew I was not bound for Heaven
I'd be cast in shame
Into the Magdalene laundries

Most girls come here pregnant
Some by their own fathers
Bridget got that belly
By her parish priest
We're trying to get things white as snow
All of us woe-begotten-daughters
In the streaming stains
Of the Magdalene laundries

Prostitutes and destitutes
And temptresses like me-
Fallen women-
Sentenced into dreamless drudgery ...
Why do they call this heartless place
Our Lady of Charity?
Oh charity!

These bloodless brides of Jesus
If they had just once glimpsed their groom
Then they'd know, and they'd drop the stones
Concealed behind their rosaries
They wilt the grass they walk upon
They leech the light out of a room
They'd like to drive us down the drain
At the Magdalene laundries

Peg O'Connell died today
She was a cheeky girl
A flirt
They just stuffed her in a hole!
Surely to God you'd think at least some bells should ring!
One day I'm going to die here too
And they'll plant me in the dirt
Like some lame bulb
That never blooms come any spring
Not any spring
No, not any spring
Not any spring"

(Lyrics...Joni...)
http://www.kovideo.net/lyrics/j/Joni-Mitchell/The-Magdalene-Laundries.html

Must I Beg Roger???

PLEASE...What of Their Children???

All of Me,
Paula

La Sanch are supposed to be the keepers of THE GREAT RELIC......

anyone any theories to what this relic might be??????
i have read this a few times but never been able to discover much about it. If i had to put money on it i would say its something to do with blood
Any theories anyone?????

Tingra,

I have a link to one of the most vicious swine groups going, their claim to fame is that all they do is to help children, well, reality sez otherwise...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=80644

this organization goes by the name of Mahi Shrine a party club for hi-level masons. They claim to raise millions of dollars to donate to hospitals bearing their name.

Its typical of them to donate 100,000 bucks out of 20 million they collect from the gullible. The fact sleazy groups like this, protected by well-connected fella masons in the judiciary means they will only get a timid slap on the hand for their debauchery.

This type of sleaze goes on in every country where masons are in control, that's why those La Sanch turkeys can wear a mask, even tho' normal citizenry in EU would be arrested for doing the same.

What ya see going on in Spain is simply a well-protected sinister group assuming a halo, only that halo stinks like shit. There is nothing soothingly penitent in their demeanor, they are not necessarily believing Christians either.

The political under currents of the entire Med Coast can best be described as corrupt, protected, a menace to the well-being of citizens of those affected countries. Why do ya think there is such a huge drug trade, white slavery trade, laundering of proceeds from these biz?

Things ain't gonna get better down there in the future either. The tourism biz is also a big factor, 'cuz it means pimps can bring their sex slaves back to any country in the EU. Drugs move un-hindered, yeah, you can say this La Sanch bullshit is a very un-holy alliance and evil to boot.

jake

Only that I presume this is the same thing that others here have referred to as the "sacred deposit". That would make sense, given the connection to La Sanch.

Yes, I think it has something to do with blood too. And death. And possibly raising the dead.

I agree here.

Tingra...in the theories section under "What Ber. found in RLC...you will find the discussion of the "deposit". You posted a few times there as well. And as per usual, Roger gave us really intereting information.

Thanks Roger for the above-information regarding laundry houses.

all of me,
Paula

Richard

I'm not sure that they are raising the dead, more like the (visible) raising of the spirit, to cleanse it perhaps, to ensure its passage into heaven?

I think "blood" is the key here. Ancient people believed it contained the spirit, and we should seriously be asking why. Just why did our ancient ancestors have so many blood-taboos; what gave rise to and spread the practice of blood sacrifice right across the ancient world; and what use was blood put to once conveyed from the altar into the darkness of a temple or a tomb?

John

John,

I am thinking now of the "Sacred Heart" in the RCC. Both Jesus and his mother Mary, are seen in various pictures portraying this heart. It is a heart AFLAME with a crown surrounding it.

Could this ritual involve as you hinted to I believe, the heart (as the heart is a Vessel for both oxygenated and de-oxygenated (or aterial and venous) blood?

And Richard...I researched the Ampoule and read that it contained oil...but in some rituals, it also contained blood.

Now...thinking a little more about Communion...and wondering about this 'drinking of blood and eating of body' (symbolic of course...) but was it Originally. Blood Ritual and Consumption do go hand in hand some?

Just some thoughts on this blizzardly day in Canada.

All of Me,
Paula

Let us try to create then two threads...Roger's and John's...

Paula

First of all let me stress that this is not a subject you chat about over tea and biscuits. It was something that my research demanded I examine, and in that respect I'm glad I did, as it explains almost every ancient mystery that you can think of!

Anthropologists can quickly bring such conversations to an abrupt end simply by mentioning how ancient priests would examination the entrails of animals in order to make prophecies. They don't mention that the organ whose condition they were scrutinising was the liver, because its health was indicative of the health of the victims blood. Take the process back a step and you see that only the healthiest of beasts were chosen for the altar anyway.

With regard to the heart, the best place to start is in central America where they would remove it from their human victims and burnt them. The premise being that they were offering the victims spirit, the ”tonalli”, which was located in the blood, to their sun-god. Importantly, they believed that when frightened the victims spirit (tonalli) would became concentrated in the heart, which when offered as a burnt offering, somehow kept the sun in motion each day? This would explain their volley ball games and the instilling of fear in the victims before they were sacrificed. Note, that their myths say that the sun god was the very first sacrifice; he was the only god willing to throw himself onto a pyre to save the world.

This sacrificial pre-conditioning was actually quite widespread. For instance in Rome at the circus Maximus, each of the winning chariots had one of its horses immediately sacrificed. We know that both fear and exertion make the heart race faster in order to pump more blood to the muscles, in preparation for the "fight or flee" response". So whether they were simply ensuring a much more powerful liberation of blood, or they were unknowingly feeding certain chemicals into the bloodstream is uncertain at this point in my research. What the evidence does indicate however, is that this process would, on rare occasions, cause flames to spontaneously erupt from the victims flesh. This would indicate to the participants and audience that the offering had been accepted by either the gods or the ancestors.

Remember that Christianity emerged from a world dominated by this sacrificial imperitive. The theology that was developed by Paul and his bishops had evolved from the ideas surrounding the altar and the sanctuary, but it rejected the act itself. Clearly, the Holy Trinity was based upon these three ritual phenomena, but removed from the act they quickly became surrounded by controversy... and secrecy.

Why ancient people wanted to liberate so much blood is such a fascinating question that one has to re-examine the origins of religion and civilisation in order to answer it! Sorry I'm rambling, its like blowing a balloon up and then letting it go - wheeeeeehoooooooo!

John

In the situation of Abe offering up Issac as a sacrifice and being stopped by an Angel and then having that sacrifice ritual switch over to an animal substitute, was a means of letting folk know, there is a big difference in what passes for acceptable ritual and the realm that ritual belongs in.

Point being made here is this, while on earth in a physical sense, only animals are to offered and ritually consumed, just like the passover lamb ritual.

The coming of Jesus and His substitution on a spiritual plane means the Believers have to be spiritually cleansed of their sins prior to partaking of Communion. This Transfiguration is also on a spiritual plane and only done by a dedicated, consecrated priest. That's why a Confession before a consecrated priest is necessary to be able to partake in Communion.

This priestly class is not bloodline designated like in Judaic system of reserving that function to House of Levi. This last part means the over-proliferation of rabbi's within the present Judaic system is making a mockery out of the Levitic principle, no?

Is any sacrificial rite-ritual in the Judaic system today pleasing to God-Jehovah? If its not conducted according to Pentateuch standards by a Levite rabbi, that ceremaony is devoid of any symbolic spiritual value.

The same applies to the view of The Catholic Church, that's why Pope Ben 16 has repeated the old mantra of no salvation outside the Catholic Church 'cuz of this dedicated, consecrated priest function that is lacking in every other religion.

It would help folk to read what Sister Anne Catherine Emmerich sez about this consecration process which took place in the upper room at The Last Supper. She gives the details as to how and why.

jake

Jake,

Your tone AND your vocabulary AND your contribution here...are Great!
Thanks for showing well, me, that humour aside...you do stand firm on a ground of knowledge and faith.

I apologise for my words towards you in another post. It is nice to see you advocating something.



Paula

Hi John,

While I agree that this sort of topic is not discussed 'usually' over tea...I ask you though...does it not depend upon your company?

I have two close friends that help me sort things out in my mind...all of the stuff I research. We drink coffee though

I am very interested in your research. My undergraduate degree was a liberal one really with concentrations in linguistics, anthropology, archaeology and criminology...with majority courses in psychology.

all of me,
Paula

This concept is as old as recorded history, no? Cain doing in Abel, Esau trying to outdo his brother and gets the tables turned on him due to connivance of his mother who is against him.

This theme is repeated in every history of any group at any point in time, so why the big deal of making it seem otherwise?

Mel Gibson demo'd that point quite graphically just to prove this point about blood lust of depraved folk. His films are full of this type of gore, to satiate the 'groundlings' just the way Shakespeare did, nothin' new here.

Now, when it comes to motivation, nobody has done a better job of reciting it than Sister Anne Catherine Emmerich. For being a seemingly frail creature she demo's a mental strength that makes triathlon athletes seem insignificant. She truly took on other folk's burdens and suffered for them, something no living person today can match.

The last known person's to do this were Theresa Neuman, a stigmatic nun in Germany, Padre Pio, stigmatic priest in Italy, Sister Faustina in Poland,
the possibility of others to surface in this genre and truly attempt to expiate the torments of Purgatory for folk they are a substitute for goes along with the notion of bloodless-slaughterless sacrifice that Jesus instituted.

The notion of martyrdom is most pronounced in Catholicism, how come? Its one thing to discuss it, a whole 'nuther matter when ya get put to the sword for yer convictions. Folk will mention fanatic muslims, but the catch is, their reward will be 70 virgins in Paradise, so will somebody explain to me where billions of these gals are hiding? do they also get martyred simultaneously to provide their services to fallen hero's of Islam?

Quran conveniently side steps this dilemna and all the Imam's say Allah will provide them. In Catholic tradition all who enter Heaven are in the Spirit, by virtue of the state of Grace of their soul. After the 2nd Coming their glorified body will re-unite with this glorified soul, so why do these folks need 'houris'?

Being in the presence of Jesus will be the ultimate happiness imaginable, so what does Satan have to offer that stupid folk are glad to sell their soul to him for a short period of earthly delights and eternity in hellfire?

How stupid can folk get?

jake

here is the link to Sister Anne Catherine Emmerich..
http://www.jesus-passion.com/DOLOROUS_P ... CHRIST.htm

This is written in typical 18th Century prose form and at times may be difficult to keep all the details in focus,

jake

Hi Paula
I hope I haven't introduced too much controversy into your coffee breaks.

I'm full of admiration, you've been extremely busy, but why psychology, ugh! I hope you aren't an adherent of of Rene Girard's theory, the "Generative Mimetic Scapegoating Mechanism"?

Sorry if I'm a little scathing about the failure of anthropology to explain the origins and spread of ancient sacrifice. Setting aside the religious connotations (as these scientists should have done anyway) I simply cannot understand why they ignore, and even ridicule, the widespread ancient claims of extremely unusual phenomena resulting from the extremely unusual behaviour they are examining? I also find it puzzling as to why the subject got kicked into the long grass some years ago when it was added to the portfolio of the newly formed interdisciplinary group called "Ritual-Studies"?

Thank you. If you would like to discuss it further I would suggest we do it off-forum. I think I'm more or less there with my overall hypothesis, but it does need a thorough and critical review, so if thats ok with you please send me a PM.

John

+smile+

why psychology?

because i want and need to help others. it is counselling psychology.
with a clinical training.

all of me,
paula

Recent events in Gaza, aided and abetted by vipers called heads of EU govt's are escalating daily. This bloody massacre is no different than that perpetrated on the Cathars, the Huguenots, the templars, the Irish all in the name of ancient heathen, pagan, satanic blood letting.

This is not an act of a pious Christian crusade, is it? The focus, weird as it is about ASS-uming all things about civilization can only occur through blood letting, if one follows the line of thinking of John Harper and Roger. This periodic blood letting is a throw back to satanic rites that predominated prior to Jesus being the Ultimate Sacrifice for remission of evil, the purpose of blood letting in the first place.

The rapacious carnage in Gaza is also a throw back to this satanic ritual, because neither side are Christian so the rest of the world can watch 2 diabolic forces grapple with each other, to exorcise their demons the good old fashioned way. Roger, in his macabre manner appreciates all of this blood letting because it represents a form of penitence being inflicted by his zionist buddies.

John Harper is morbidly fascinated because it vindicates his view all men are evil and have to exorcise their demons by this sadistic blood letting. The topic started out about the reason why La Sanch and or La Sang do what they do, whatever it is they hide from public view.

The sneaky, sinister manner they surreptitiously do the things they do all point at this sadistic, satanic blood letting credo. It may well be they have a motto to uphold just like Mossad, by blood letting we exorcize our demons. So let the blood flow. More, more, I'm not satisfied. Things haven't changed much since the days of guillotining of the French Rev and crowds cheered as heads rolled.

No Mithraic scripture or first-hand account of its highly secret rituals survives, with the possible exception of a liturgy recorded in a 4th century papyrus, thought to be an atypical representation of the cult at best.[3] Current knowledge of the mysteries is almost entirely limited to what can be deduced from the iconography in the mithraea that have survived.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraism

I mentioned on a parallel topic that purposes of La Sang have a range of activities that occur underground and revolve around all things bull, ya know the deal, macho man bull-loving, yer beloved term bull-humping, bull-shitting, throwing the bull etc, all for the sake of getting bulls to be ritually slaughtered in the arena all fired up.

Since the bull fighter is awarded the ears + tail, what does he get for supper afterwards, the source of the bull's courage, his cojones? Are they baked, boiled, fried, fricaseed, marinated in some exotic chrism? you should know 'roger' this' is yer turf dude. Is it surf + turf and they get blended in with sugared-up jelly fish?

Do these underground meets of these La Sang dudes include meeting these matadors? They are the outward face of these bull-lovin' dudes, no? Are veteran surviving matadors of hi-rank in the La Sang krowd kult? I ask 'cuz its a throw back to this macho mithraic screed,no? The modern rodeo with its focus of wrestling with members of the cattle family is just an extension of this kult, no?

Them guys who rode each other bare-back in Bareback Mountain movie is actually closer to what the La Sang is all 'boot, ain't it 'roger'? Since ya take pride in being the ex cathedra expert, I ASSume ya speak from up really up close contact with this La Sang kult.

Roger, a while ago we had a discussion about this picture and you said there was a very good reason why La Sanch prefered the garrot method of execution.....could you elaborate please????
Is it something to do with there rituals?