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 Post subject: THE KEY OF A SECRET ?
PostPosted: 08 Jul 2012 5:05 pm 
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For anyone interested….. Sandy has a great new in depth article on her website where she discusses the relevance of the writings of Paul Le Cour in connection with de Cherisey, Plantard and the Lobineau documents. It is an excellent well researched article that incorporates various themes often discussed on the forum with lesser known translations that are relevant and overlooked.

http://www.rhedesium.com/the-tombstone- ... ecret.html


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Wonderful article Sandy and thanks Tingra for the heads up

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This is a link to an interview Sandy did with Paul Karren (Aprositus Nesos) from her excellent website . He said he has deciphered the small parchment and discovered a device he calls the 681 Armature, it will interest those that think the Poussin/Teniers paintings hold clues.

Not sure if this has already been discussed on here before?
Does anyone know anything about this?
Paul if you read this can you give us some more info

http://www.rhedesium.com/interview-with ... arren.html

Re posted here for anyone interested and to avoid disrupting James thread :mrgreen:


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I read that one too and congratulations to Paul
I agree with him that there is a group that knew about this sacred knowledge
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tingra wrote:
This is a link to an interview Sandy did with Paul Karren (Aprositus Nesos) from her excellent website . He said he has deciphered the small parchment and discovered a device he calls the 681 Armature, it will interest those that think the Poussin/Teniers paintings hold clues.

Not sure if this has already been discussed on here before?
Does anyone know anything about this?
Paul if you read this can you give us some more info

http://www.rhedesium.com/interview-with ... arren.html

Re posted here for anyone interested and to avoid disrupting James thread :mrgreen:


My suspicions are always raised when someone describes their own discovery as "genius" while telling us that it is unknown to any modern academic. Especially when they keeping telling us how important it is without endeavoring to explain it, all the while claiming they're not in it for approbation or financial gain.

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TCP wrote:
tingra wrote:
This is a link to an interview Sandy did with Paul Karren (Aprositus Nesos) from her excellent website . He said he has deciphered the small parchment and discovered a device he calls the 681 Armature, it will interest those that think the Poussin/Teniers paintings hold clues.

Not sure if this has already been discussed on here before?
Does anyone know anything about this?
Paul if you read this can you give us some more info

http://www.rhedesium.com/interview-with ... arren.html

Re posted here for anyone interested and to avoid disrupting James thread :mrgreen:


My suspicions are always raised when someone describes their own discovery as "genius" while telling us that it is unknown to any modern academic. Especially when they keeping telling us how important it is without endeavoring to explain it, all the while claiming they're not in it for approbation or financial gain.

TCP


Was 'it' being carried in a Tescos bag?
Altruism is a tricky thing !
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Paul, You wrote the following in 2008, are you any nearer to accomplishing your goals?
Would you be prepared to discuss this on here?
Perhaps Whoops expertise could help you :D


I hope to accomplish two goals.  First, the time is nearing for a broader audience to see the research results.  Before I publish I need additional academics to validate the results.  If amongst your readers there are those with expert knowledge in the fields of cryptography, spherical astronomy, and architectural theory who are not put off by the association with the ‘RLC mystery’ then I would love to discuss this matter further with them.


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Paul, You wrote the following in 2008, are you any nearer to accomplishing your goals?
Would you be prepared to discuss this on here?
Perhaps Whoops expertise could help you :D


I hope to accomplish two goals.  First, the time is nearing for a broader audience to see the research results.  Before I publish I need additional academics to validate the results.  If amongst your readers there are those with expert knowledge in the fields of cryptography, spherical astronomy, and architectural theory who are not put off by the association with the ‘RLC mystery’ then I would love to discuss this matter further with them.




The Aureum Seculum Redivivum (‘Restoration of the Golden Age’) by Heinrich Madathanus was first published in 1925 not 1918 - it would have made him 15 years old to have published in 1618.

http://www.themasterofspeech.com/shugboroughhall.html
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Madathanus was the pseudonym of Adrian von Mynsicht (1603-1638), an alchemist, esotericist and apologist for the Rosicrucians.


http://mer.sincorp.org/curious.htm
Compared to Sauniere's copy which was from 1677. So an even later date.
Figure 2: Frontispiece of Madathanus "Golden Age Revived" (1677 edition)


B.S. means Bismuth and Sulphur - the two main components in Alchemical operations.

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tingra wrote:
For anyone interested….. Sandy has a great new in depth article on her website where she discusses the relevance of the writings of Paul Le Cour in connection with de Cherisey, Plantard and the Lobineau documents. It is an excellent well researched article that incorporates various themes often discussed on the forum with lesser known translations that are relevant and overlooked.

http://www.rhedesium.com/the-tombstone- ... ecret.html


Good effort.

What a shame you failed to pick up on something you mentioned several times:-

The title of Le Cour's book.

AGE OF AQUARIUS.

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Plantard's vision of the Prieure de Sion Knight riding towards The Age of Aquarius on the road of United States Western Culture (no foreigners, purity of race, unashamedly racist). Flanked by the two independent Celtic states of Europe. Brittany and Bavaria (both renown for their insular views of the world)

OCCIDENT - From the Latin occidentem (“western sky, part of the sky in which the sun sets”),

Well well well there's that reference to the Sun again.

According to the French IGN (INSTITUT NATIONAL DE L'INFORMATION GÉOGRAPHIQUE ET FORESTIÈRE - The French map makers) we entered the Age of Aquarius last year. Oh and according to the French the Sun enters Aquarius on

January 17th.

It depends upon where one draws the border.

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TCP wrote:
tingra wrote:
This is a link to an interview Sandy did with Paul Karren (Aprositus Nesos) from her excellent website . He said he has deciphered the small parchment and discovered a device he calls the 681 Armature, it will interest those that think the Poussin/Teniers paintings hold clues.

Not sure if this has already been discussed on here before?
Does anyone know anything about this?
Paul if you read this can you give us some more info

http://www.rhedesium.com/interview-with ... arren.html

Re posted here for anyone interested and to avoid disrupting James thread :mrgreen:


My suspicions are always raised when someone describes their own discovery as "genius" while telling us that it is unknown to any modern academic. Especially when they keeping telling us how important it is without endeavoring to explain it, all the while claiming they're not in it for approbation or financial gain.

TCP


Yeh!

Not the old I-have-deciphered-the-text-and-solved-the-mystery gambit again. This phenomena has been happening for thirty years that I know of. By now we should no longer have anything to talk about and this forum should no longer exist.

How I long for the old days when few people got involved in this for money. Like the Itinerant Bandwagon Jockey

Dan Brown has a lot to answer for.

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Sheila ages ago wrote:
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The other pond is called Etang de Truites (no trout have ever lived at this altitude.) Likely a corruption of the word Druids.




hmmm.....depuis au moins le XVIe siècle, c'est "l'étang du Tabor, celui où il y a des truites", et il est donc logique de penser que le nom soit devenu simplement "Etang des Truites".

http://www.lacsdespyrenees.com/forum/ms ... 317&page=1

http://www.lacsdespyrenees.com/lac-463- ... uites.html

http://www.pierre.benard.freesurf.fr/St ... ruides.htm


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roscoe wrote:
TCP wrote:
tingra wrote:
This is a link to an interview Sandy did with Paul Karren (Aprositus Nesos) from her excellent website . He said he has deciphered the small parchment and discovered a device he calls the 681 Armature, it will interest those that think the Poussin/Teniers paintings hold clues.

Not sure if this has already been discussed on here before?
Does anyone know anything about this?
Paul if you read this can you give us some more info

http://www.rhedesium.com/interview-with ... arren.html

Re posted here for anyone interested and to avoid disrupting James thread :mrgreen:


My suspicions are always raised when someone describes their own discovery as "genius" while telling us that it is unknown to any modern academic. Especially when they keeping telling us how important it is without endeavoring to explain it, all the while claiming they're not in it for approbation or financial gain.

TCP


Yeh!

Not the old I-have-deciphered-the-text-and-solved-the-mystery gambit again. This phenomena has been happening for thirty years that I know of. By now we should no longer have anything to talk about and this forum should no longer exist.

How I long for the old days when few people got involved in this for money. Like the Itinerant Bandwagon Jockey

Dan Brown has a lot to answer for.



I read your article Roscoe and found it very interesting
Good job thanks for the link

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The other pond is called Etang de Truites (no trout have ever lived at this altitude.) Likely a corruption of the word Druids.




hmmm.....depuis au moins le XVIe siècle, c'est "l'étang du Tabor, celui où il y a des truites", et il est donc logique de penser que le nom soit devenu simplement "Etang des Truites".

http://www.lacsdespyrenees.com/forum/ms ... 317&page=1

http://www.lacsdespyrenees.com/lac-463- ... uites.html

http://www.pierre.benard.freesurf.fr/St ... ruides.htm


Well as Mandy Rice Davies (prostitute Profumo affair) once said: "They would say that wouldn't they"

Isn't it strange that a conversation with the locals around the Ariege confirms that the name of the pond should be Etang des Druides. Of course you wouldn't know this, not ever having been anywhere close to the area. If things go the way they're planned you'll soon need a passport to get there. It ain't France anymore than Cardiff and Edinburgh are England.

There ain't no trout in that pond and because of volcanic activity the oxygen level is very low. fish will die quickly in that pond so to call it after Trout is a little strange n'est-ce pas?

No those ponds are likely to be the GRAIL LAKES of Wolfram Von Eschenbach. Into which the treasure of Delphi was thrown because it was thought to be cursed. The Roman consul Caepian removed it but the convoy was attacked on its way to Perpignan, it was reburied around the Rennes le Chateau area.

I take it that you know that gold ingots have been found lying around the Nebias area in the 19th century. Someone dropped them in a hurry.

One of the treasures woiuld have been The Emerald Tablet.

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The links i provided you with all those years ago explains in minute detail why your assumption and connection is wrong...the web site on the high lakes of the pyrenées and it's forum will reveal a conversation between anoraks, locals who have fished the region and certain geology specialists. The lake has nothing to do with "druids" the reason it is called after the "truites" is because of the "truites" that inhabited it.
Let the fishermen of the region explain it to you once again.


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Roscoe wrote:
...according to the French the Sun enters Aquarius on January 17th.


What is your source for this, Roscoe?

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Sheila wrote:
The links i provided you with all those years ago explains in minute detail why your assumption and connection is wrong...the web site on the high lakes of the pyrenées and it's forum will reveal a conversation between anoraks, locals who have fished the region and certain geology specialists. The lake has nothing to do with "druids" the reason it is called after the "truites" is because of the "truites" that inhabited it.
Let the fishermen of the region explain it to you once again.


Erm!

So why would they call it Etang De Truites when there's never ever been any trout. There ain't no trout in that pond and there never has been.

There has NEVER been any trout in that pond as the volcanic action on the mountain has rendered it devoid of oxygen.

But hey be that as it may. What about the other pond

Etang de Diable

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The pond of 3.5 ha and 1971m Devil, formerly Pond Males. Legend says that if one throws a stone, half an hour later, the lake begins to boil with eruptions force "sulphurous" and thunderstorms, lightning trigger furiously.
The path above leads to two lackeys, one surrounded by lawn, you can then get on the ridge between the St. Bartholomew Soularac and if the weather is beautiful, the view is amazing, easily distinguishable Toulouse, the whole valley of Olmes with the Montbel Lake, Montcalm, ect. This ridge is very dangerous by fog or thunderstorm, lightning takes pleasure to concentrate around this massive Tabe or Tabor, certainly because it is argued


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One of these legends relates that the water table was once larger than it is today and it formed a small sea subject to violent storms. It is patently obvious that the lake level was once higher and a natural dam, broken by some cataclysm, endiguait greater amount of water: it is again fairly well in the footsteps of such a break would not be very old and one might, with some logical place in the fifth century AD, when a terrible earthquake occurred in the Pyrenees and indicates that Gregory of Tours.


Bit of volcanic activity close to your trout methinks.

Oh and why are there so many Dolmens and Menhirs on Soularac? Who put those there?

Sorry but your wishful thinking fails again,

You didn't get the nasty old Roscoe this time, please try harder.

Oh and by the way. The pointer to these two ponds came from Otto Rahn who spoke Ariege Occitan fluently and lived in the area for six years.

Ever been there yourself darling?

Where did those gold ingots come from that you conveniently failed to mention?

PS thought all you groupies had gone over to the Itinerant Bandwagon Jockey's website. Or have you still got instructions to beef up his book sales on here?

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Spartacus Paraclete wrote:
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...according to the French the Sun enters Aquarius on January 17th.


What is your source for this, Roscoe?


I think I might turn this into a tune.

So what part of

"According to the IGN" don't you understand?

Your utter hatred of me and your obsession with picking up on details and ignoring the majority of what I say is starting to make you look silly.

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Roscoe wrote:
...according to the French the Sun enters Aquarius on January 17th.



Spartacus wrote:
What is your source for this, Roscoe?



Roscoe wrote:
I think I might turn this into a tune.

So what part of

"According to the IGN" don't you understand?

Your utter hatred of me and your obsession with picking up on details and ignoring the majority of what I say is starting to make you look silly.


Can you direct me to your Internet source for your claim that 17th January is, 'according to THE FRENCH' when the Sun enters Aquarius? It is a simple question...

Claiming that I utterly hate you is absurd, Roscoe. I don't even know you. You come across as a very angry, very paranoid, anti-Jewish hate-peddler, who continuously makes a fool of himself here with 'research' fail after fail. I do think however that you are utterly absurd, and I cannot take you seriously at all, so how could I possibly 'hate' you. At best I could mock you. If it seems like I have an obsession with mocking you, it is because I have always tried to take a stand against Neo-Nazi hate-peddlers...

Didn't you say you'd leave the forum forever if the Olympic Opening wasn't blown up by a nuclear bomb?

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i can't be bothered to argue with you Roscoe...read the links if you are interested...they are written by people who understand what they are talking about.

http://www.saint-barthelemy.pyreneus.fr/druides.htm
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i can't be bothered to argue with you Roscoe...read the links if you are interested...they are written by people who understand what they are talking about.

http://www.saint-barthelemy.pyreneus.fr/druides.htm
http://www.saint-barthelemy.pyreneus.fr/legendes.htm


En revanche, il y a un élément qui semble apporter une justification forte pour l'appellation "Etang des truites": c'est que cet étang a depuis très longtemps été connu pour l'abondance et la taille exceptionnelle de ses truites. Il faut savoir qu'avant la pratique de l'alevinage (qui ne remonte pas avant le début du XXe siècle dans la région), les étangs de montagne susceptibles de receler des truites en leurs eaux (de façon naturelle, donc) étaient assez rares. En tout cas le fait était assez rare au XVIIe siècle pour qu'un auteur de l'époque, Pierre Jean Fabre, se penche sur le cas de cet étang, et essaie de comprendre comment une telle présence et même une telle profusion était possible. Le traité en latin de P. J. Fabre s'intitule "Hydrographvm Spagyricvm" (1639). Le passage qui nous intéresse est le Chapitre III du Livre II (pp. 123-129), chapitre intitulé: "De lacu Sancti Batholomaei apud Fuxenses" c'est à dire: "du lac Saint-Barthélemy chez les fuxéens" (voir une retranscription et traduction intégrale du chapitre en question, et de la page de titre).

Il est certain que la présence abondante de tant de truites, et si grandes, apparaissait à l'époque comme un prodige mystérieux. Dès lors, il est tout à fait logique de penser que cette spécificité de notre étang ait pu conduire à ce qu'il soit baptisé "Etang des Truites", au moins localement, depuis une époque assez reculée.

En conclusion de ce second point sur la toponymie, il semble que l'allégation d'une ancienne dénomination "Etang des Druides" soit purement fantaisiste, et provienne d'extrapolations hasardeuses basées sur des légendes druidiques au demeurant elles-mêmes relativement récentes et fantaisistes. L'existence de l'unique toponyme "Etang des Truites", répondant seul à une réalité tangible et attestée historiquement, semble beaucoup plus plausible. Néanmoins, ce toponyme "Etang des Truites" est relativement récent (milieu du XIXe siècle) en comparaison des autres dénominations adoptées pour cet étang dans l'histoire plus ancienne.


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trout have no problem with that altitude, i can assure you... trout are immensely versatile, they seem to thrive in small becks, marshland pools and tarns, large rivers and deep lakes and ice-cold high altitude lakes ..during winters the lakes get iced up and the trout go deeper in the water...the étang in question is at least 30 m deep.

http://www.peche-ariege.com/entree.php? ... e_montagne



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Thnd Bartholomew said: Lord, when thou wentest to be hanged upon the cross, I followed thee afar off and saw thee hung upon the cross, and the angels coming down from heaven and worshipping thee. And when there came darkness, 7 I beheld, and I saw thee that thou wast vanished away from the cross and I heard only a voice in the parts under the earth, and great wailing and gnashing of teeth on a sudden. Tell me, Lord, whither wentest thou from the cross?

8 And Jesus answered and said: Blessed art thou, Bartholomew, my beloved, because thou sawest this mystery, and now will I tell thee all things whatsoever thou askest me. 9 For when I vanished away from the cross, then went I down into Hades that I might bring up Adam and all them that were with him, according to the supplication of Michael the archangel.

10 Then said Bartholomew: Lord, what was the voice which was heard?

11 Jesus saith unto him: Hades said unto Beliar: As I perceive, a God cometh hither. [Slavonic and Latin 2 continue:] And the angels cried unto the powers, saying: Remove your gates, ye princes, remove the everlasting doors, for behold the King of glory cometh down.

e Gospel of Saint Bartholomy

Again Bartholomew said: Lord, I saw the angels ascending before Adam and singing praises.

24 But one of the angels which was very great, above the rest, would not ascend up with them: and there was in his hand a sword of fire, and he was looking steadfastly upon thee only.

[Slav. 25 And all the angels besought him that he would go up with them, but he would not. But when thou didst command him to go up, I beheld a flame of fire issuing out of his hands and going even unto the city of Jerusalem.

26 And Jesus said unto him: Blessed art thou, Bartholomew my beloved because thou sawest these mysteries. This was one of the angels of vengeance which stand before my Father's throne: and this angel sent he unto me.

27 And for this cause he would not ascend up, because he desired to destroy all the powers of the world. But when I commanded him to ascend up, there went a flame out of his hand and rent asunder the veil of the temple, and parted it in two pieces for a witness unto the children of Israel for my passion because they crucified me. (Lat. 1. But the flame which thou sawest issuing out of his hands smote the house of the synagogue of the Jews, for a testimony of me wherein they crucified me.)].

this is from the

http://www.gnosis.org/library/gosbart.htm


this unnamed angel with the flame out of his hand ,,,,is probably Uriel

Just showing the Gnostic text of the Gospel of St Bartholomew

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i can't be bothered to argue with you Roscoe...read the links if you are interested...they are written by people who understand what they are talking about.

http://www.saint-barthelemy.pyreneus.fr/druides.htm
http://www.saint-barthelemy.pyreneus.fr/legendes.htm


Thanks for those unsolicited OPINIONS

No more of any value than mine.

I'll let you know.

Oh how's the answer about where the gold ingot came from coming along?

Who drops a gold ingot and leaves it?

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“My shepherd of Tabor was relating timeless wisdom. Don’t elves play in the moonlight around the crystal clear springs in their native Pyrenees? Don’t Oak trees on the Tabor speak to the shepherds, who are so far from God’s world, by rustling their leaves? The guaranteed authentic story that the ninety-year-old peasant of Ornolac told me shows that the grandchildren of the druids and bards, of the Cathars and troubadours, are today’s mystics and poets. He asserted that he saw a snake on the Tabor that bit its own tail and shook itself as it formed a circle at the abyss of the Sabarthes toward the snow-covered summit of Montcalm’s peak.”

He went on:

“Today, Pyrenean peasants still idealize the world that surrounds them and consider it enchanted. The Cathars and the troubadours are long dead but can human desire for Paradise and God ever be extinguished? Three times the Tabor was cursed and three times it burned in flames. Six hundred years later, a day worker from the town of Ornolac pretends to have seen the symbol of eternity: a snake that bites its own tail.”
- From Otto Rahn in his book Crusade against the Grail

What are all those Dolmens and menhirs on Soularac all about?

Answer - Druides

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So where does this man fit into the story?

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 Post subject: Re: THE KEY OF A SECRET ?
PostPosted: 02 Aug 2012 8:26 am 
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Spartacus Paraclete wrote:
Claiming that I utterly hate you is absurd, Roscoe. I don't even know you. You come across as a very angry, very paranoid, anti-Jewish hate-peddler, who continuously makes a fool of himself here with 'research' fail after fail. I do think however that you are utterly absurd, and I cannot take you seriously at all, so how could I possibly 'hate' you. At best I could mock you. If it seems like I have an obsession with mocking you, it is because I have always tried to take a stand against Neo-Nazi hate-peddlers...

Didn't you say you'd leave the forum forever if the Olympic Opening wasn't blown up by a nuclear bomb?

Well, he promised a few times already to leave but seems to be a person who breaks his word.


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