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The Corn Crop Circle season started in Italy two weeks ago:

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/inter2012/italy/Bracciano2012a.html

... and about the same day in GB:

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/mantondrove/mantondrove2012a.html

How a fake looks like you see here:

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/WoodboroughHill/WoodboroughHill2012a.html

Note the difference of the quality of the work.

Have they figured out what they mean yet?

Thanks. I kept meaning to start a CC2012 thread, but there just haven't been that many in the UK this year, thus far. If one reckons that at least 99% of these are man-made, the relative paucity this year would seem to back that up, because the weather has been mostly terrible; very wet, and often very windy. In the UK at this time of year, the only crop that's really up is oil-seed rape, much planted these days, probably one arable field in three near me, and planted a lot in "crop circle country" - Marlborough Downs, Avebury, Devizies, Pewsey, etc. Over the last few years, there have been quite a few at this time of year, or a bit earlier, really, when the rape is in flower, and you get masses of bright yellow fields. It's a hard enough medium for a croppie to work in at the best of times, very thick and tangly, much less pliable than other crops, and in this sort of weather it would be a bit of a nightmare. Even for a dedicated croppie, I would think, sat in their favourite watering hole, the Barge Inn near Pewsey, the prospect of setting off to wade through waist high, soaking wet oil-seed rape in the pouring rain would be pretty unappealing. Hence, fewer crop circles this year, imo.

They mean something different to each person that makes one. I guess the fun is in determining if any of them need mean anything to us as well, or if it's all just an exercise in art and vandalism.

I live quite close to where a lot of them get made, so I'm sure I'll come across one at some point this summer.

Poirino, Italy. Any interpretations? June 17, 2012.

There is a history book of Kashmir titled 'The Rajatarangini" translates as 'The River of Kings'..
written about in the 13th century-originally in Sanskrit... among the legends is one of King Megavahana, which translates to "Rider of the Clouds' based on the Biblical Psalm 68 .King Megavahana traveled in his space ship (honest-that's what it says)....Some of the angels had married Kashmiri women from earth..the local farmers caught them in the act of ruining their crops by landing on them , or flying over them too close too often...or cutting them in what seemed (from earth) into random nothings......the Kashmiri farmers held the angels prisoners for repeatedly damaging their crops. The women begged Megavahana to get their husbands freed...the only way he could this so was to obtain their promise that they would no longer damage the crops in Kashmir...the crops were not being harvested for food....but were being cut for no apparent reason...I always thought of crop circles when I remember this event....I wish they could have been seen from the air by the farmers back then......would they have seen crop circles?
anyways....the point being there are clues that 'crop' circles go back a long, long way.... The oldest in the west dates to 1678..and can be read here:
http://oldcropcircles.weebly.com/uk-1678-hertfordshire.html

Other records of oldest crop circles appear here:
http://oldcropcircles.weebly.com/uk-circles.html

Thank you, that's really good to have. I particularly liked this one ...

http://oldcropcircles.weebly.com/uk-197 ... nster.html

... because it relates to a famous UFO mystery in the area where I grew up.

I know a few of the other villages featured as well. Some of these "circles" are naturally occuring phenomenon, as we discussed here a couple of years back, when I found lots in some fields near Winchester. They're created by eddies of wind, or little whirlwinds that move across the fields (one of the eyewitness reports I read in your link attested to this). In England, our fields are quite small, and often encircled by hedgerows, turning a set of fields into lots of enclosures, so the theory is that these little winds sweep across a field before getting turned around when meeting a hedge, or the edge of a wood, and that creates the impression on the ground. Tellingly, all the "circles" I found that day were up in the corners of fields, but they were all rough shapes, and clearly created naturally. This is an example of one of these unintelligent formations:



The many geometric formations that appear all over the place are obviously another matter.



I believe you. And the thing is, in India it really wouldn't be any big deal to report a story like that; it would be absolutely mainstream.



That sounds like a familiar tale from other cultures.

We should talk about Vimanas some time.

That would be a really cool subject. Especially if we could tie it in with some of the latest archeological findings.

What if......Earth was originally a planet of warrior women.....and the 'angels' needed the women's physcial strength for their off-spring? I mean, the paintings and sculptures of the arch-angels portray them as nearly feminine....not warrior like at all.

Isn't it peculiar that NONE of the ancient tales tell of 'angels' mating with earthly men? Maybe it's because there were none here.

ZZ Top "Planet of Women"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euOiXRC4Xv4

Oh Serendipity....don't get me started on these topics!

Since reading about ancient space travel in India- I am convinced we have been visited....
I have a theory ---you know how body bulk and mass and muscle are lost in space...when astronauts spend too much time 'out there'? Even with artificial gravity...prolonged life in space is radically different from life on a planet...different air...different food...and bodies adapt after what may be hundreds, or even thousands of years always in a space ship and rarely on a planet...After all, planets are all 'temporary' and ever changing domains...space ships are not..

Now suppose aliens more advanced than us roam all over the Universe..explorers like we have always been here on earth, and hope to be in space one day...stopping on planets here and there to offer a little help for advancement, but not interfere too much...

the 'alien' women (having also lived on space ships for extended periods of time and adapted physically) may not be strong enough to carry a child that is 1/2 human...for all the physiologic reasons we can try to imagine.....it might just be too risky...but the other way round, that is fathered by 'angels' might be the best and safest solution.....

There are probably a lot of theories, but this has always been mine..

hmmmm....never thought of the space travel theory, but it is viable. It really does make sense....the muscle mass loss, etc.

So i wonder if they used some of the off-spring for the trip back? Maybe they knew their bodies were not going to make it home.

Lots of interesting discussions going on.....but......I wanna work on my tan. So, if you smell fat burning with coconut essence, that's just me in the sun. (Wonder if the laptop will work on the deck?)

Hope your tan went well...
While you were gone, I had opportunity to add another aspect to my theory of everything...
I think the Bible- well, the New Testament for the most part--- may be quite accurate and we have misunderstood the meanings of the words..

John 14:3 "If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also."

Jesus said he would return and we would all join him...now if that doesn't shout space travel, I can't imagine it being any clearer!
If the Space-Alien theory is correct, then he was telling us the truth...he can live for 5,000 years in space and return to find earth only a few years older.....or he could have been cloned, knowing his double would one day return..and as for earth, we are doomed if we remain here..so we MUST eventually migrate to space colonies....

There are scientific ways that his return could become a factual event! We just never expected that he might return as Captain of the Star Fleet. BUt heck, why not!

See....there you go again, trying to scare me to death.....Jesus as/was an alien?

Oy vey....and they call me Dippy?

""Noah has a significant presence on the Old Silk Road, beginning with his birth. Noah’s birth was a sad rendering of events, filled with doubts about his legitimacy and origins. According to an old Persian account, ‘The Akbar Nama of Abu-L-Fazl’, Noah was a product of the Elohim. [The Book of Akbar… translation by Beveridge]. Lamech’s wife, like Jesus’ mother, is innocently unaware of committing any adultery or misconduct, nor did her husband accuse or reject her based on any such misconduct. On what grounds were these men so adamant that all forms of adultery were sinful, but not this? What precedence did they have for believing these women? How could they validate and distinguish between an unfaithful wife and a real miracle from Nephilim or God? From the Interlinear Hebrew Bible,
Genesis 6… “The Nephilim {Navalin} were in the earth in those days, and also afterwards, when the B'nai Elohim came in to the daughters of Adam, and the daughters had children by them. They were Powerful Ones, the heroes who existed in ancient times, the men of renown.” Enoch, Noah, and Jesus were certainly heroes of old and men of renown.

NOAH’S BIRTH “And after some days, my son Methuselah arranged a wife for his son Lamech and she became pregnant and bore a son. And his body was white as snow and red as the blooming of a rose and the hair of his head and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes beautiful… And his father Lamech was afraid of him, and came to his father Methuselah. And he said unto him: “I have begotten a strange son, diverse from and unlike man, and resembling the sons of God of heaven; and his nature is different and he is not like us, and his eyes are as the rays of the sun, and his countenance is glorious. And it seems to me that he is not sprung from me but from the angels, and I fear that in his days a wonder may be wrought on the earth. And now, my father, I am here to petition thee and implore thee that thou mayest go to Enoch, our father, and learn from him the truth… And now, my father [speaking to Enoch] hear me: unto Lamech my son there hath been born a son, the like of whom there is none, and his nature is not like man’s nature, and the color of his body is whiter than snow and redder than the bloom of a rose, and the hair of his head is whiter than white wool, and his eyes are like the rays of the sun… And behold I have come to thee that thou mayest make known to me the truth. And I, Enoch, answered and said unto him: “The Lord will do a new thing on earth, and this I have already seen… and make known to thee that in the generation of my father Jared some of the angels of heaven transgressed ... and married some of these women, and have begot children by them… this son who has been born unto you shall be left on the earth… And now make known to thy son Lamech that he who has been born is in truth his son, and call his name Noah (which means ‘rest’) for he shall be left to you to raise and care for. And he will not be forsaken by the angels."""

Isn't this remarkably similar to the birth of Jesus? Now tell me what do you believe?

Hey, you send me on a ZZ-Top trip this morning.

Very nice, I was growing up in that time.

I have several ZZ Top albums on vinyl. My youngest looks at them sooo strangely.

My Favorite:
Legs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKhiPgCKiN8

Fuzzy guitars.....oh, and what I wouldn't do to have a ride like that....sweeet.

By the description it would seem your Noah was an albino. Strange, but not alien.

Edit to add:
The Jews were slaves in Babylon. Babylon was a city of learning and had a bunch of libraries. I'm sure the slaves worked in the libraries. See, Noah and Gilgamesh have a great deal in common....only, I believe the Gilgamesh story to be the original. (The Jews were also slaves in Egypt. Maybe there is a pattern to this?)

Adding a bit more:

The people who first controlled the Silk Road for slave trade were the Scythians. They were even buried with the goods they traded for (please google the oldest rug on the planet - found in a Scythian khurgan.) I'm sure the slaves left their own history to be found along the Silk Road. You do realize that even in the mists of Indian history, you will find Scythian kings?

Interesting about the Scythians! Thanks for that.....I don't have a clue what ZZ is/was...had to look it up..
a rock band? Geesh....Long before (or after) my time...

Can you explain his father please?

I suppose if I told you that the Scythians are considered "Gog and Magog" of the Bible you would know exactly who I'm talking about.

You've never seen an albino human?

Back in the 70's there was an albino recording artist.....I can't remember his name...damn.

Egi! Do you remember who I'm talking about? Hey, wait a minute....I think his last name was White.....lemme go see if I can find him. Brb.

Edgar Winter....
http://www.edgarwinter.com/home.php

If you do a google image search for him and find his pics from 30+ years ago, you can really see how unique he looks....all white and red.....

It's in the Bible...Ma-gog is a place ruled over by a man named Gog...it's mentioned 5 times in the Bible..those people from the land of Gog were called Scythians...

Carl Sagan- Cosmos
"We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers."

Yep.

I had a typo in my original quote....."not" should have been "know"..... Sorry.

Edit to add:

Let us look at this a moment, shall we? The Bible paints the picture that Gog and Magog are the enemies. Correct? And would not the Church/Rome have a battle against such enemies? Would it carry out through the mists of time? And why would G_d's chosen people (we find these references mostly in the Old Testament) name them as their most ancient enemy? Could it be because the Scythians were their masters since the dawn of time?

And the Decleration of Arbroath state: "We come from Greater Scythia......"

Edit to add: Rome took Jerusalem and immediately headed for Scotland. Why?

I'm lost. Why?