Spartacus Paraclete wrote:
Hey TCP, nothing personal....as i said, i'm not following this thread and i certainly know nothing about the subject matter, but.... there seems to be a lot of heavyweights lined up against the lass and i don't think that's fair....just chill for a bit, because you know darned well that people are following your moves and snapping at her heels and that, in my book, is just not on.
seems to be a few lining up for 'the lass'... you, Roger, Richard, and I think Wayward is thinking of jumping on board! This could be a battle for ages, pedantic analysers versus nomadic free-associators...
There is a Wiki page that spoke of the three claimants to the title of Grail child.. persons who have publicly claimed to be from a Jesus bloodline my name is notably absent- wonder why?):http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_bloodline
1. Basharat Saleem, the late Kashmiri caretaker of the Martyr's Tomb of Yuz Asaf in Srinagar.
2. Michel Roger Lafosse, a Belgian false pretender to the throne of the former Kingdom of Scotland.
3. Kathleen McGowan, an American author, lyricist, screenwriter
1. Bashrat Saleem (also known as Bashrat Shaheen) is the man in Kashmir (now deceased and believed murdered) who had the genealogy scroll he claims went directly back to Jesus and Marjan (not Magdalene). This is who I was working with in Kashmir and it was his granddaughter who might have been touted as the 'Grail child" had McGowan not read about her on my forum and beat her to it. My research and my journey centering around Kashmir goes back to about 1997-98. At that time in New Zealand, L.G. and his web mistress became friends with me and sent L.G.'s book 'Bloodline of the Holy Grail when it was published. It was very exciting to see Merovingians and mention of some of my own ancestors...L.G. and I had numerous emails through the years. I had no way to check his book or research....but I can say that although he never agreed with the Jesus in India tomb, he was always supportive of the direction my own research was taking me. Now I don't give two hoots if you want to blast his name to hell and back.. I will neither bad mouth him nor go along with anyone who does. He was the one who advised me to try to research and grant money with Nat Geo......I sent several letters to them, and made two appearances at their Washington offices.....but I could not make any guarantees about the situation there, which was terrible at that time (right after 9-11)....so let's move on to the next claimant. Oh! Before I do, I want to emphasize that the claimant in Kashmir never intended to write a book, never took a dime, never stole or removed an artifact from the tomb, was involved in several local court cases to support his claim, and won them, and he risked his life to save the tomb. His claims to be descended from Yuz Asaf have never been disproved. Only the DNA can prove that claim..
2. Michel Roger Lafosse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Roger_Lafosse
The Royal House of Stuart became extinct in the male line with the death in 1807 of Henry Benedict Stuart, called "King Henry IX" by Jacobites, who succeeded his elder brother Charles Edward Stuart in 1788. Charles was survived only by an illegitimate daughter, Charlotte Stuart, Duchess of Albany. The Jacobite claim then passed to members of various continental Catholic dynasties, most recently to Franz, Duke of Bavaria, head of the Wittelsbach dynasty.
Lafosse claims that this history is inaccurate and that the Stuart line did not end with the death of Henry Benedict Stuart. Instead, Lafosse says that Charles Edward Stuart secretly obtained a papal annulment of his marriage to Princess Louise of Stolberg-Gedern, and subsequently, in a secret ceremony, married a woman called Marguerite O'Dea d'Audibert de Lussan, Comtesse de Massillan. He says this union produced an heir in 1786, a son, Edward James Stuart, Count Stuarton, Count of Albany, from whom he says he is descended.
Lafosse says he is the son of "HRH Princess Renee Stewart, Lady Derneley" (according to Lafosse, the senior descendant in the female line of Edward James Stuart), and "Gustave Lafosse de Chatry, 5th Baron de Chatry". These individuals, as well as others, are listed in an extensive genealogy presented by Lafosse as evidence that he is descended from the last Stuart King of Scotland.
There is some disagreement over who Lafosse's parents and ancestors were. Lafosse says he was born on 21 April 1958 in the Ville de Bruxelles district, and that his parents were Baron Gustave Joseph Fernand Clément Lafosse and Princess Renée Julienne Stewart. In 2002, Brussels authorities stated that this certificate is a forgery, and that they have a birth certificate showing that Lafosse was born in Brussels on 21 April 1958, in the Watermael-Boitsfort district to Gustave Joseph Clément Fernand Lafosse, a shopkeeper, and Renée Julienne Dée, a business employee.
Peter Piniski, in The Stuarts' Last Secret, says of Lafosse's assertion:
One recent, heroically unsubstantiated claim is that Prince Charles married in 1785 and fathered a legitimate child. This 'fact' (which has escaped the notice of every historian for over two hundred years!), is particularly imaginative considering the prince was married at the time, being only separated from Louise von Stolberg-Gedern, after April 3rd 1784, who remained under the protection of the Pope. Nor was eighteenth century Rome the best of cities for an internationally known Roman Catholic prince to commit bigamy. It also ignores Charles' wretchedly infirm condition from before that date until his death three years later. Likewise does it ignore the presence (and insult the memory) of Charles' daughter and sole heir, Charlotte, who was daily at her father's side, nursing him right up to the moment of his death despite her own cancer. Professing direct descent on the female line from this 'marriage' the same claimant equally fails to provide any evidence, proper references or verifiable source documents for his additional assertion of descent on the male line from not one, but both daughters of Charlotte Stuart. Professor Lenman describes all of this as: 'The industry of Stuart charlatanism'.
Lafosse has also stated that he was "President of the European Council of Princes", following Archduke Otto of Austria's tenure in that position. Archduke Otto has said that he had never been president of any such body, or a member of any such body, and that, in fact, he had never heard of it.
I know that L.G. was also involved in this.....but I have the feeling from what little he told me that felt kinda duped and taken in, much the same way that you might have been when you sought your own 'Coat of Arms'. I simply don't know the full story. I only know that La Fosse made a very deliberate attempt to falsify his past in order to make future claims, in order to enrich himself through this falsehood. It was a consciously contrived fraud, no accident or poor research...
3.) Kathleen McGowan http://www.religionnewsblog.com/15338/k ... descendant
Although she claims she wrote The Expected One as fiction, she also claims that it is really about her, and she really is the Grail child..
Academics are highly skeptical of claims that Mary Magdalene traveled to France and that she and Jesus had a child. Bart Ehrman, chair of the department of religious studies at the University of North Carolina and author of Peter, Paul and Mary Magdalene: The Followers of Jesus in History and Legend, said: “You can survey anyone who is a scholar of early Christianity and they will tell you the same thing – it’s completely bogus. There are no records. We have no account of Mary Magdalene even going to France until the Middle Ages and the legend about her going to France sprung up because there was a cult to Mary Magdalene in southern France.”
Ms McGowan’s claim to be descended from a child of Mary and Jesus is outlined in the afterword to what she says is a partly autobiographical novel.
She has offered no proof of her heritage but said she had traced it to an ancient French lineage that claimed to trace its roots to the pair.
However, although she promised proof, and she alluded to 'secret scrolls' (see Bashrat Shaheen above for where she got that idea) no proof and no scrolls were ever forthcoming..she has always been regarded as a fraud seeking publicity and money...making deliberate fabrications...Now please recall Tim, that at the time a whole slew of supporting evidence fro others came out...her problems with claims to the Linda Goodman files...her problems with several other writing/publishing attempts...plus other issues of credulity such as claiming that she was an ordained minister to her publishers, and yet admitting on Facebook that she "ordained" herself one night in the moonlight...err....ahem....and this is legal 'religious freedom' in the USA..(by the way, we are not friends on Facebook...I get the occasional post from others who are).
I have never made fraudulent claims...if I err about the lineage because all those Merovingian Des Marets ancestors are confusing to me, that is an honest error, not a deliberate fraud... If I investigate the claims made by others about my family lineage, that is not self serving publicity, nor ego driven dillusion....that is an honest attempt to find out what the heck is going on!
Tim, you have been so very unfair about all this...You have tried to twist this around into some hideous agenda that you 'think' I have, whether jealousy, ego, revenge, publicity. Wrong on all counts. If I am out to lie or commit fraud here, then I am the dumbest of the dumb! I have stumbled more than succeeded, I would say. I have failed. All these years and all these words are wasted....You could never beat me up as much as I beat myself up over how badly I've handled all this. But that doesn't make me a fraud or a liar....