PAX 681

Sheila · **Posted:** 14 May 2012 4:54 pm

Crimson_Ghost wrote:

Sheila wrote:

That dear boy is a bog-standard benchmark.

haud on a wee moment there...are you seriously trying to tell me that this is not a surveyors' cut mark, which is, as the name suggests, is cut into a vertical wall, post, standing stone and so on ?

Hi Sheila, is that just a random stone marker, or is it burial monument of some sort.

neither..

The stone is a Roman (or earlier re-used) boundary marker surplanted by an 18th c. obelisk to be found in Leytonstone which is about seven miles north east of Charing Cross....it's on an ancient pathway dating to pre-Roman times....it stands at the junction of Hollybush Hill and New Wanstead.

Large stones like this borne, or milestone as they prefer to call it over here, have been used by geodesic surveyors and has been inscribed with a cut mark or benchmark, it is the horizontal line that is important ...and is a height setting.

The term benchmark, originates from the chiseled horizontal marks that surveyors made in stone structures, into which an angle-iron could be placed to form a "bench" for a leveling rod, thus ensuring that a leveling rod could be accurately repositioned in the same place in the future. These marks were usually indicated with a chiseled arrow below the horizontal line.

Survey markers, also called survey marks, and sometimes geodetic marks, are objects placed to mark key survey points on the Earth's surface. They are used in geodetic and land surveying. Informally, such marks are referred to as benchmarks, although strictly speaking the term "benchmark" is reserved for marks that indicate elevation. Horizontal position markers used for triangulation are also known as trig points or triangulation stations.

I posted up some rather interesting stuff a while back about the ones in the Aude and how they were used.

Sheila · **Posted:** 14 May 2012 5:52 pm

Sheila wrote:

"Et l’on ne voit guère pourquoi les crossés languedociens ne se tiendraient pas mi-chemin entre ces tas de pierres au long des routes où le passant jetait son caillou et les calvaires qui se dressent à la croisée des chemins."
...............

" Un prêtre, parce qu’il est soucieux du Ciel et de la Terre, se doit de méditer sur les rapports de l’astronomie avec la géographie "…....

Terrestrial geometry ...taken and calculated from the Merdien.

i would assume that when the good Abbé La Caille re-set Piccard's Meridien on the ground, he would have set up stone markers/triangulation points would he not ?
....absolutely flat and all at exact heights.

... triangulation points, as in large square, flat-topped stones.... or bedrock.....that by now probably all have crosses supplanted on them.

Nobody picked this up or commented on it last time i wanted to chat, so i'm not holding out much hope this time round.

rs2008 · **Posted:** 14 May 2012 11:59 pm

I'm listening.....sorry, missed it last time.

Renne · **Posted:** 15 May 2012 12:28 am

The foundation of the tower at RLC, I heard that there is a similar mark at Rosslyn Chapel.

So that PAX is from the hermitage at Galamus, did they have stables there for the pilgrims who

traveled there by horseback? They might be called "horses of God". The cross on the P of the PAX,

is that a Cross of Lorraine?

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6954

Sheila wrote:

That dear boy is a bog-standard benchmark.

haud on a wee moment there...are you seriously trying to tell me that this is not a surveyors' cut mark, which is, as the name suggests, is cut into a vertical wall, post, standing stone and so on ?

What is this LEY TON STONE marking, since in Roman times Leytonstone were nowt but marsh?

And I see that you ignored this. Nice one, can't explain it so pretend it's not there. Good trick! Did you learn that from Roger?

There's a whole lot of marking going on

They should make it into a rock classic. He He!!!

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6954

Renne wrote:

The foundation of the tower at RLC, I heard that there is a similar mark at Rosslyn Chapel.

So that PAX is from the hermitage at Galamus, did they have stables there for the pilgrims who

traveled there by horseback? They might be called "horses of God". The cross on the P of the PAX,

is that a Cross of Lorraine?

What? Did Sauniere's tower fall down when I wasn't looking? Not climbing up there again :wink:

Yes it's called hidden in full view. It means trivia to the left brainers but something else to the initiated.

It's like Henry Lincoln says. 'You have looked now you must see.'

The Geocash game, RIP Steve Love

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6954

Sheila wrote:

Crimson_Ghost wrote:

Hi Sheila, is that just a random stone marker, or is it burial monument of some sort.

neither..

The stone is a Roman (or earlier re-used) boundary marker surplanted by an 18th c. obelisk to be found in Leytonstone which is about seven miles north east of Charing Cross....it's on an ancient pathway dating to pre-Roman times....it stands at the junction of Hollybush Hill and New Wanstead.

The LEY TON STONE was in marshland during Roman times. Yes it was to level the ground in bog, job creation scheme no doubt.

Sheila wrote:

Large stones like this borne, or milestone as they prefer to call it over here, have been used by geodesic surveyors and has been inscribed with a cut mark or benchmark, it is the horizontal line that is important ...and is a height setting.

The term benchmark, originates from the chiseled horizontal marks that surveyors made in stone structures, into which an angle-iron could be placed to form a "bench" for a leveling rod, thus ensuring that a leveling rod could be accurately repositioned in the same place in the future. These marks were usually indicated with a chiseled arrow below the horizontal line.

A sundial for levelling?

Hey they didn't walk far in those days.

All these MILESTONES a couple of hundred yards from each other. Get lost a lot of times in those days did they?

Sheila wrote:

Survey markers, also called survey marks, and sometimes geodetic marks, are objects placed to mark key survey points on the Earth's surface. They are used in geodetic and land surveying. Informally, such marks are referred to as benchmarks, although strictly speaking the term "benchmark" is reserved for marks that indicate elevation. Horizontal position markers used for triangulation are also known as trig points or triangulation stations.

I posted up some rather interesting stuff a while back about the ones in the Aude and how they were used.

I assume that they didn't know where the World Trade Center was so they marked that too.

Yes to you those markers are nothing and so numerous they can be successfully trivialised.

Nice trick to fool the left brainers.

Ho Hum! Another day, another Ley.

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6954

Crimson_Ghost wrote:

Sheila wrote:

That dear boy is a bog-standard benchmark.

haud on a wee moment there...are you seriously trying to tell me that this is not a surveyors' cut mark, which is, as the name suggests, is cut into a vertical wall, post, standing stone and so on ?

Hi Sheila, is that just a random stone marker, or is it burial monument of some sort.

It's not a burial monument, it marks a Ley line as in LEY TON STONE. It is a modern replacement stone.

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6954

Sheila wrote:

"Et l’on ne voit guère pourquoi les crossés languedociens ne se tiendraient pas mi-chemin entre ces tas de pierres au long des routes où le passant jetait son caillou et les calvaires qui se dressent à la croisée des chemins."
...............

" Un prêtre, parce qu’il est soucieux du Ciel et de la Terre, se doit de méditer sur les rapports de l’astronomie avec la géographie "…....

Terrestrial geometry ...taken and calculated from the Merdien.

i would assume that when the good Abbé La Caille re-set Piccard's Meridien on the ground, he would have set up stone markers/triangulation points would he not ?
....absolutely flat and all at exact heights.

... triangulation points, as in large square, flat-topped stones.... or bedrock.....that by now probably all have crosses supplanted on them.

Nobody picked this up or commented on it last time i wanted to chat, so i'm not holding out much hope this time round.

Piccard got the metre measurement wrong. The older mile measurement was more accurate.

It was found to be wrong by Delambre but he and Messier kept it quiet. Delambre did much of his measurements on the mountain of Soularac.

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6954

Bullingdon Club member David Cameron suitably ILLUMINATED.
Anyway. I hope I'm wrong in the Queen's JUBILEE year .

Quote:

Leviticus 25:10
And you shall consecrate the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a jubilee for you, when each of you shall return to his property and each of you shall return to his clan.

well it was a Saxe-Coburg who gave Adam Weishaupt shelter after they were trying to arrest him.

Quote:

Moses Mendelssohn, himself the head of the Haskalah, cooperated with the Bavarian Illuminati of Weishaupt and with the prominent members of the other revolutionary secret societies aspiring to political power, but, in 1784, the Elector of Bavaria made an abortive effort to stamp out the conspiracy which, being international, was necessarily impervious to local measures. The poison of subversion was working in France where on January 21, 1793, it culminated in the death on the scaffold of Louis XVI, an event that in masonic jargon is known as " The second cannon shot ". The capture of Rome by Cadorna in 1870 was the third.

- Edith Starr Miller - Occult Theocrasy

Quote:

In contradiction to other masonic authorities, Yarker makes the assertion that the primitive Scottish Rite of 33 degrees was established at Namur in 1770 by Marchot and in 1787 united with the Grand Orient.4 In he Culte de la Nature dans la Franc-maçonnerie Universelle (page 143) D. Margiotta states that Adam Weishaupt and his favorite, Baron von Knigge, introduced the organization of the Holy Vehm as well as certain legends of Illuminism into Masonry in 1783. The only persons exempted from the jurisdiction of this terrible court of " Justice ", the Holy Vehm, were the clergy, women and children, Jews and heathens and certain members of the higher nobility.

- Edith Starr Miller - Occult Theocrasy

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It would be Pierre Plantard who would then become enamoured with the ideals emanating from the world of the Hiéron and would be sixteen years old when George Monti was poisoned.
George Monti influence in this story is I believe critical for it seems that he was involved with all of the secret societies that permeate this saga. They are:
1909 The Rose Cross of Bavaria
1913 Initiate of the Holy Vehm
1922 Member of the Ordo Templi Orientis
1924 Founder of the Group for Occidental Esoteric Studies
1933 Member of the B’Nai B’Rith
1934 Founder of the Order of Alpha Galates
That Alpha Galates and Pierre Plantard was pro-Nazi and anti freemasonry is not disputed by any serious researchers, in Vaincre Plantard wrote:
“I want Hitler’s Germany to know that every obstacle to our own plans does harm to him also, for it is the resistance put up by freemasonry that is undermining German might”.

De Cherisey letter to Plantard about the theft of "The files of George Monti".

Quote:

It is time to put an end to this legend. English Grand Lodge, the body which claims to represent English Freemasonry, is as much the child of Rosicrucianism today as it was in 1717 and has no more power or wish today to rebel against, or deny its parent, than it had then. As to Esoteric Rosicrucianism, this Esoteric body, mainly Cabalistic in its direction, always has been and is in truth international. It has penetrated every association, society or organization just as did the Illuminati of Bavaria at the Wilhelmsbad convent of 1782. In the particular Gnostic Rosicruciana in Anglia, briefly sketched here, we see internationalism clearly depicted. At one time it was personified in Kenneth Mackenzie who, initiated and illuminized by the German Rosicrucian adepts, was later the connecting link between German, English and French Gnosticism, the latter represented at the time by Eliphas Levi (A. L. Constant)

- Edith Starr Miller Occult Theocrasy.

Perhaps we ought to remind ourselves from where the LATIN phrase PAX DCLXXXI came from.

Quote:

“I would like to have the reader observe that a prodigious phenomenon occurs, which no logical brain has been able to explain: after composing text A with text B to obtain text C which, confronted with text D, gives text E, it so happens that text E is an anagram of text D” i.e. composed of the same letters”

“….wouldn’t it be prodigious if, at the end of all this work, we could but reconstitute the funerary text? Prodigious and perfectly stupid…May our reader rest assured: another text is to be discovered and it is an anagram of the tombstone”

“Common opinion has it that Abbé Bigou, parish priest of RLC in 1781 and the author of the epitaph, also composed this amusement. Such is not our opinion: the anagram was composed in our time and concludes a signature which we shall discover when analysing the decoded text,”

- Philippe de Cherisey - a man who chose to live where the Belgian Astronomical Observatory was sited.

Amédée - A MIDI

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6954

Something is going down. Take the hint

Sheila · **Posted:** 15 May 2012 6:27 am

roscoe wrote:

The LEY TON STONE was in marshland during Roman times

The main thoroughfare in Leytonstone, High Road Leytonstone, which runs the length of Leytonstone to Stratford is an ancient pathway dating to pre-Roman times

The Romans appear to have built a significant stone causeway across the marshes here, in 1774 it was noted that...

there have been discovered within the last few years the remains of a great causeway of stone, which, by the Roman coins found there, would appear to have been one of the famous highways made by the Romans.

btw Leyton occupies a space on either side of the Prime Meridian.

Sheila · **Posted:** 15 May 2012 6:34 am

Leyton rises from the marshland of the Lea valley to over 100 ft. at Whipps Cross and the High Stone on the edge of the forest. Between the alluvial marshes and the forest are terraces of valley gravel overlying brickearth

Palaeolithic implements and fossil bones found along the gravel terraces show that early man lived and hunted in Leyton. There was a Roman cemetery south of Blind Lane, and massive foundations of some Roman building, with quantities of Roman brick, were discovered in the grounds of Leyton Grange.

The High Stone, near the eastern boundary of the parish at the junction of the roads from Woodford and Woodford Bridge, is a restored 18th-century obelisk set up on an earlier stump, but is traditionally described as a Roman milestone.

Tradition also explains that Leytonstone is the part of Leyton which was near the High Stone

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report ... mpid=42767

Sheila · **Posted:** 15 May 2012 7:01 am

roscoe wrote:

Perhaps we ought to remind ourselves from where the LATIN phrase PAX DCLXXXI came from.

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6954

Sheila wrote:

roscoe wrote:

The LEY TON STONE was in marshland during Roman times

The main thoroughfare in Leytonstone, High Road Leytonstone, which runs the length of Leytonstone to Stratford is an ancient pathway dating to pre-Roman times

The Romans appear to have built a significant stone causeway across the marshes here, in 1774 it was noted that...

there have been discovered within the last few years the remains of a great causeway of stone, which, by the Roman coins found there, would appear to have been one of the famous highways made by the Romans.

btw Leyton occupies a space on either side of the Prime Meridian.

OooooH! Roman Coins ay? Must be a Roman road then.

But erm some American gold double eagle coins have been found in Hackney. So does this mean that there was once an American road there too?

Hmmm!

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6954

Sheila wrote:

Leyton rises from the marshland of the Lea valley to over 100 ft. at Whipps Cross and the High Stone on the edge of the forest. Between the alluvial marshes and the forest are terraces of valley gravel overlying brickearth

Palaeolithic implements and fossil bones found along the gravel terraces show that early man lived and hunted in Leyton. There was a Roman cemetery south of Blind Lane, and massive foundations of some Roman building, with quantities of Roman brick, were discovered in the grounds of Leyton Grange.

The High Stone, near the eastern boundary of the parish at the junction of the roads from Woodford and Woodford Bridge, is a restored 18th-century obelisk set up on an earlier stump, but is traditionally described as a Roman milestone.

Tradition also explains that Leytonstone is the part of Leyton which was near the High Stone

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report ... mpid=42767

You forgot to mention the Knights Templar at Temple Mill.

paddy · **Joined:** 01 Sep 2010 7:28 pm **Posts:** 165

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6954

Sheila wrote:

roscoe wrote:

Perhaps we ought to remind ourselves from where the LATIN phrase PAX DCLXXXI came from.

Erm! NAH!

Think Philippe de Cherisey via Gerard de Sede.

Philippe de Cherisey - The man who chose to live in the town that has the Belgian Astronomical Observatory and who called himself Amédée (A MIDI) and who says this here:

Philippe de Cherisey wrote:

“Common opinion has it that Abbé Bigou, parish priest of RLC in 1781 and the author of the epitaph, also composed this amusement. Such is not our opinion: the anagram was composed in our time and concludes a signature which we shall discover when analysing the decoded text,”

Philippe de Cherisey a friend of the man who wrote the intro to the reprint of La Vraie Langue Celtique and who called this intro

Zodiac de Rennes.

But ho hum! What can one do when it's in your face but that face is stuffed where the sun don't shine.

And STILL she ignores this

What is that?

Click on the picture to see where it came from.

Over to you..............................

Davinho · **Joined:** 26 Jan 2010 10:58 am **Posts:** 1806

Quote:

Leyton rises from the marshland of the Lea valley to over 100 ft. at Whipps Cross and the High Stone on the edge of the forest. Between the alluvial marshes and the forest are terraces of valley gravel overlying brickearth

Palaeolithic implements and fossil bones found along the gravel terraces show that early man lived and hunted in Leyton. There was a Roman cemetery south of Blind Lane, and massive foundations of some Roman building, with quantities of Roman brick, were discovered in the grounds of Leyton Grange.

The High Stone, near the eastern boundary of the parish at the junction of the roads from Woodford and Woodford Bridge, is a restored 18th-century obelisk set up on an earlier stump, but is traditionally described as a Roman milestone.

Tradition also explains that Leytonstone is the part of Leyton which was near the High Stone

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report ... mpid=42767

conveniently ignored

Sheila · **Posted:** 15 May 2012 7:48 am

roscoe reckons the land was all a marsh so why have a borne or a milestone...i'm trying to show him that the area was actually a main thoroughfare from probably long before Roman times.

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6954

Sheila wrote:

roscoe reckons the land was all a marsh so why have a borne or a milestone...i'm trying to show him that the area was actually a main thoroughfare from probably long before Roman times.

Are you going to take the F_____g hint or what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFHcOw9I ... e=youtu.be

What the flying F__k is that?

It comes from here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN9fdM3eD3M

Sheila · **Posted:** 15 May 2012 7:50 am

Sheila wrote:

Roseline says "In sunt meliora latentque" as she gracefully descends the mossy ramp behind the cathédral, holding out an apple in her hand. Circuit chapter VII.

For Paddy...say it out loud bearing in mind the tepee and the theatre.

Sheila · **Posted:** 15 May 2012 7:51 am

...and please, do stop shouting Roscoe.

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6954

Sheila wrote:

...and please, do stop shouting Roscoe.

Why the hell are you wittering on about roads through this area?

100,000 people (from all nations) are going to be incinerated and you witter on with what amounts to a guess.

Look at this below:

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6954

Sheila wrote:

Roseline says "In sunt meliora latentque" as she gracefully descends the mossy ramp behind the cathédral, holding out an apple in her hand. Circuit chapter VII.

For Paddy...say it out loud bearing in mind the tepee and the theatre.

Nope!

didn't see Philippe de Cherisey anywhere.

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