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Renne, don't be silly.

VAM

she said 2 tombs were constructed, one a scale model which if I remember rightly was the one in his workshop

Would love to see this scale model as "promised" by Ben in the interview with Barnett. Anybody seen it?

we all have

A few weeks ago you claimed I sounded a lot like Tim, and someone else as well who I can't remember. Didn't you also claim I was some sort of Vatican agent or something or other? And don't you also claim that you can kill thousands of people with your mind alone, by visiting a natural disaster upon anybody who displeases you?

Now you are here, refusing to accept that the Bill/Ben/Sandy Tomb (replete with Wedding of Cana tableware (for fuck sake, how can anyone fall for this bullshit?!) is exactly what Bill has said it is, a HOAX perpetrated by the greedy on the gullible. In all honesty Renne, it is idiots like you who make this genre a laughing stock. People like Bill/Ben/Sandy would never be able to make these absurd claims if it wasn't for people like you! Don't you think that genuine Magdalenian scholarship is extremely undermined by the pathetic hoaxes perpetrated and swallowed by you and others?

I'll repeat that, Renne, in case it didn't sink in...Don't you think that genuine Magdalenian scholarship is extremely undermined by the pathetic hoaxes perpetrated and swallowed by you and others?

Think about that Renne, or is your brain far too addled at this stage?

Ah, nearly forgot - sorry for this faux pas, Davinho! No need to see it, true, we all have seen it on so many pics......and pics never lie!

Why to make life difficult when there are so many easy ways to go, no? Want to help me further?

If I would tell you something like: "It was only me who was involved. Only me". Would you say that this would mean that one person was involved or two? Have you noted that apparently there were now at least 2 people involved in this hoax as we just recently learned? (yes, it is a hoax but people are still lying like hell in this story - my personal opinion).

really? The Tomb hoax? Who is this other named conspirator? I must have missed that

no I think he was just contracted to do a job and had no part other then that in planning or conspiring. Ben did not say why he wanted this scene constructed, the bloke just did what he was paid for and likely thought it was for a film (which it was in the end ) It's like saying that Sony were in on it because they made the camera

This guy makes film sets and monsters for a living!

VAM

Well, I thought you wrote once that Ben was so skilled in doing these kind of things by himself in shortest time (by disucssing the "old" book) so for me it was new that he contracted a professional to do the job for him. Anyway. So if he contracted a person to do the tomb he could have contracted a person for the screen play, for the texts in the bottles and and and..well useless to discuss further.

I would imagine it had more to do with needing the space to build such a large model. I might have been a bit suspicious had he built it in my living room.
No, the messages in bottles are pure Hammott!

VAM

Thanks for the info. So they built that together in London, is that right?

Have you seen the scale model or do you know a person next to "Ben" who has seen it live?

No, Hammott built it. He just paid for help with the bits he couldn't do himself. And it wasn't in London.
No to both.

VAM

Thanks.

But in the Barnett interview "Ben" said to have built it in London.....or am I wrong here too? I think to remember that he said to have rented space in a warehouse or so?

(or was is built in his old workhop that is not in London and then transported later to London - what would also not be very convincing..)

It's about 30 miles north of London and it was built and filmed there.

VAM

probably said "London" as to maybe say Bedford or Luton or wherever would not be familair with the international audience he confessed to

Thank you VAM.

Hi fmh999,

Are you another one who believes that the 'Confession' is a Hoax?

Sorry, forgot one thing I have not understood at all and as I am asking all these silly questions there should not be a problem to just ask another silly one (that maybe I do not get out of language reasons):

He said something that he usually carried a "model" of the shaft to the mountain area near RLC and that this would have been quite a job to do....can you or somebody else explain to me why he would have made that? Why to carry a model of the shaft up the mountain near RLC when all the filming has been done 30km north of London? Probably I have not understood the meaning properly out of my poor language skills but to carry a model of the shaft into a cave near RLC does not really make sense to me)...

I always said the whole thing is one big hoax.

But I have a certain "feeling" that we only know "a" part of the story and I still think that "Ben" did not act alone in this hoax.

it's simple if you watch the Bloodline film and the bit where supposedly he takes Bruce to the tomb and then does the filming on his own. For authenticity he needed to show the aspect of the cave and then the remote cam going into the "shaft". As that shaft did not exist he had to create it. Easier to make an artficial one and then make it look like part of a natural feature then chop something out there and then

So, you are trying to discover if Sandy, Bill K, and Bruce were part of the hoax all along?

I don't think your questions are silly at all fmh and I think he's lying about this model of the shaft!

VAM

if that is there case then there is a cave in France with a natural shaft that he first filled with foam (as you can see bits in the film) then filmed and then filled with foam again? I believe that or evidence of it would have been found by now if that were so. I think it makes sense to do what he claims to have done. No one would find the cave with the shaft as it didn't exist. If it did exist naturally someone would find and investigate further and realise that the shaft went nowhere