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Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Davinho wrote:

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Is there any evidence at all that the so-called Shepherdess Message was ever genuinely 'encrypted' and then 'decrypted' by anyone other than de Cherisey. Both de Sede and Lincoln et al claimed that they gave the 'code' to cipher experts, but to no avail. Appartently the code itself was unbreakable. In the end de Cherisey simply sent interested parties the 'decrypted' message and the cipher solution! Since there is absolutely no evidence to support the claim that the Shepherdess Message predates de Cherisey, and everything points to him as it's creator (including his numerous confessions), it never actually functioned as a genuine 'code' that was 'decrypted'.

this is the main sticking part of the Sauniere legend for me. An unbreakable code and yet according to the legend some spotty numpty in Paris cracked it with no cypher. If I get the chance I will take this up with HL in June. In his own books he himself says in one breath that it is unbreakable but then still alludes to Sauniere having it cracked - well otherwise the story would have abruptly stopped wouldn't it :wink:

Off the top of my head, I think it has also been shown that Emile Hoffet wasn't even 20 at the time and was living in Belguim (I think)...

Sheila · **Posted:** 01 May 2012 5:52 pm

as to the chapiteau set in the area we are studying.... this circus is not a circus per se, nor is it actually a theatre, i'd call it more an arena.

Davinho · **Joined:** 26 Jan 2010 10:58 am **Posts:** 1799

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Off the top of my head, I think it has also been shown that Emile Hoffet wasn't even 20 at the time and was living in Belguim (I think)..

so we can have to presume either he possessed a genius unheard of then or since, he himself had or was given the key or........

Crimson_Ghost · **Posted:** 01 May 2012 6:11 pm

Sheila wrote:

as to the chapiteau set in the area we are studying.... this circus is not a circus per se, nor is it actually a theatre, i'd call it more an arena.

Hi Sheila, do you have a time frame of the said chapiteau?

Crimson_Ghost · **Posted:** 01 May 2012 6:13 pm

Davinho wrote:

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Off the top of my head, I think it has also been shown that Emile Hoffet wasn't even 20 at the time and was living in Belguim (I think)..

so we can have to presume either he possessed a genius unheard of then or since, he himself had or was given the key or........

....more horseshit for the pile.

paddy · **Joined:** 01 Sep 2010 7:28 pm **Posts:** 165

Sheila wrote:

as to the chapiteau set in the area we are studying.... this circus is not a circus per se, nor is it actually a theatre, i'd call it more an arena.

Arène à Rennes.

Its location is interesting. Ici se tenait un temple païen haut de quinze metres qu’incendia Charles Martel en l’an 737.
PdC, p. 81.

Cf. Boudet, p. 306:

"Alors, à l'arête du cap dé l'Hommé sur le haut d'un ménir, en face du temple païen, converti en
église chrétienne détruite plus tard par l'incendie, fut sculptée une belle tête du Sauveur regardant
la vallée, et dominant tous ces monuments celtiques qui avaient perdu leurs enseignements."

Paddy

Davinho · **Joined:** 26 Jan 2010 10:58 am **Posts:** 1799

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.more horseshit for the pile.

seems more and more like option C, eh

which would lead us back to de Cherisey

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

jlockest wrote:

For a code to work, do you not also need a key?
The key is then in the possession of the target audience? So even if a code was verbal, it couldn't just be 'phonetic' per se, as anyone could then decipher it who spoke in a particular way, which would beg the question 'why encode it in the first place?'

Maranatha was about the discovery of a (the) 'key' and it was the 'key' itself that was encoded (and the puzzle alluded to the 'key' being encoded in different forms). The presumption being that deciphering the 'key' would lead to the 'lock'. So the key would have to have an element of saying what it was the 'key' to.

So, if any of the 'encoded' texts are in fact 'keys' to the lock, they (IMHO) seem to fail, as they don't appear to say what they're unlocking. That also seemed to follow with D's 'image' based 'key' that he posted here. Unless I missed something (which is more than likely), a geometric pattern may have been demonstrated (and it's component parts analysed) but I saw no way to relate that key to a definable 'lock'.

IF a 'key' has been encoded in Poussin or Teniers or anything else for that matter, what relevance is t without a lock?
To me it would also seem to follow, that if someone went to amazing lengths to 'encode' a 'key', then the lock itself would also be hidden behind some veil.

Edited: Or is the MORTEPEE key a 'pre-key' key?

It's a fair point, which is why I'm not sure if you could call a 'green language' 'code' an encryption code.

Has anyone heard of a 'green language' code btw, or am I talking shite?

Sheila · **Posted:** 01 May 2012 6:34 pm

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Its location is interesting

and it's supposed occupant is interesting to...he built the first permanent theatre in Rome.....maybe one chapiteau alludes and leads to another.

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Crimson_Ghost wrote:

Davinho wrote:

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Off the top of my head, I think it has also been shown that Emile Hoffet wasn't even 20 at the time and was living in Belguim (I think)..

so we can have to presume either he possessed a genius unheard of then or since, he himself had or was given the key or........

....more horseshit for the pile.

Well, he could have been a young genius, but I think someone has shown he was in Belgium during the period in question, anyway.

Considering the current open discussion, might this be a good time to go over what is actually 'concrete' in the RlC mystery prior to the POS fabrication? I know it's been tried before, but it would seem even the basics are still up in the air.

Let's say that Rain got the ball rolling and start with:

The Tisseyre article (which would seem definitely anomalous)

The True Celtic Language (again, would seem definitely anomalous)

Sauniere's wealth (anomalous)

Sauniere's 'donations' from certain places (anomlous)

I'd be less sure about the so-called Sot Pecheur and would be interested in discussing it if anyone is interested, and any of the various other claims...

For example, has the Jean Orth/not Jean Orth claim ever been properly validated?

paddy · **Joined:** 01 Sep 2010 7:28 pm **Posts:** 165

Sheila wrote:

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Its location is interesting

and it's supposed occupant is interesting to...he built the first permanent theatre in Rome.....maybe one chapiteau alludes and leads to another.

infamous as the place of Julius Caesar's murder ... mort épée

With apologies to SP, for interrupting.

Paddy

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

paddy wrote:

Sheila wrote:

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Its location is interesting

and it's supposed occupant is interesting to...he built the first permanent theatre in Rome.....maybe one chapiteau alludes and leads to another.

infamous as the place of Julius Caesar's murder ... morte epée

With apologies to SP, for interrupting.

Paddy

No, I'm following and very interested, but I haven't read MdC's Circuit, so I'm simply not knowledgeable enough to comment...

Sheila · **Posted:** 01 May 2012 7:25 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theatre_of_Pompey

Sheila · **Posted:** 01 May 2012 7:26 pm

and not a magpie in sight.

Sheila · **Posted:** 01 May 2012 7:28 pm

However is it Milet or Mytilene ?

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Sheila wrote:

and not a magpie in sight.

Well, that was my original issue. AFAIK, Sheila, you're a big de Cherisey advocate, and we've discussed that MORT epee predates de Cherisey. Why do you think de Cherisey's interpretations can be taken at face value? He was, after all, a confessed hoaxter...

(Sorry if that sounds interrogative, it's not my intention)

Sheila · **Posted:** 01 May 2012 7:39 pm

smoke and mirrors...Panem et cirsenses.

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Sheila wrote:

smoke and mirrors...Panem et cirsenses.

That, to me, suggests he cannot be relied upon for anything more than his own interpretations...

Sheila · **Posted:** 01 May 2012 7:48 pm

Chérisey was no one's fool.....you have to have an inkling as to what he is alluding to, or it's a non-starter.

Sheila · **Posted:** 01 May 2012 7:52 pm

..."les 13 ors de l'Arène"...as has been said before, these works need to be read aloud.

Sheila · **Posted:** 01 May 2012 8:12 pm

Sheila wrote:

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Its location is interesting

and it's supposed occupant is interesting to...he built the first permanent theatre in Rome.....maybe one chapiteau alludes and leads to another.

or is it his son ? ....i notice he is a Pie.

Crimson_Ghost · **Posted:** 01 May 2012 8:27 pm

Sheila wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theatre_of_Pompey

Sheila, Pompey was the builder of the first permanent arena. I get the impression your saying it was Caesar, along with the rumored burial near RlC/RlB.

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Sheila wrote:

Chérisey was no one's fool.....you have to have an inkling as to what he is alluding to, or it's a non-starter.

But does it matter what he is, in your opinion, alluding to? Why do you feel his interpretations of this or that actually matter?

rain · **Posted:** 01 May 2012 11:20 pm

paddy wrote:

Sheila wrote:

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Its location is interesting

and it's supposed occupant is interesting to...he built the first permanent theatre in Rome.....maybe one chapiteau alludes and leads to another.

infamous as the place of Julius Caesar's murder ... mort épée

With apologies to SP, for interrupting.

Paddy

In the temple there should be 4 or 5 chapiteaus. You still need to learn them all.

rain · **Posted:** 01 May 2012 11:42 pm

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

I'd be less sure about the so-called Sot Pecheur and would be interested in discussing it if anyone is interested, and any of the various other claims...

I think the problem of Sot Pecheur derives from De Sede unofficially purloining the document rather then it's actual provenance which seems to stand up to scrutiny.

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