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 Post subject: Re: Death Sword or Dead Magpie
PostPosted: 28 Apr 2012 12:22 pm 
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Spartacus Paraclete wrote:
started from the errors on the stele


wayward wrote:
:?:


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What are you struggling with, Wayward?


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I'm not struggling at all Sparty! But, thanks for asking.


You posted a :?: about my 'started from the errors on the stele'... surely you had a reason for that, or is Roscoe becoming contagious? What was/is your :?: point?

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 Post subject: Re: Death Sword or Dead Magpie
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Good Morning Sparty and Bill, I know the Tisseyre report has been discussed over and over, but I`m gonna bring up a few points which have probably been kicked around as well. In the report Elie mentions going into the church, mentions a 5th c. flagstone, the Visgoth/Carolingian pillar, and visiting the trembling rock. I wonder why after mentioning all these objects, he never goes into any detail in describing the inscriptions on any of them, why did he single out the de Negre headstone complete with dimensions, a drawing, and text. I suppose this really can`t be answered, but I find it a bit odd.


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Good Morning Sparty and Bill, I know the Tisseyre report has been discussed over and over, but I`m gonna bring up a few points which have probably been kicked around as well. In the report Elie mentions going into the church, mentions a 5th c. flagstone, the Visgoth/Carolingian pillar, and visiting the trembling rock. I wonder why after mentioning all these objects, he never goes into any detail in describing the inscriptions on any of them, why did he single out the de Negre headstone complete with dimensions, a drawing, and text. I suppose this really can`t be answered, but I find it a bit odd.


I agree with all of the above. What's your take on it?

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Good Morning Sparty and Bill, I know the Tisseyre report has been discussed over and over, but I`m gonna bring up a few points which have probably been kicked around as well. In the report Elie mentions going into the church, mentions a 5th c. flagstone, the Visgoth/Carolingian pillar, and visiting the trembling rock. I wonder why after mentioning all these objects, he never goes into any detail in describing the inscriptions on any of them, why did he single out the de Negre headstone complete with dimensions, a drawing, and text. I suppose this really can`t be answered, but I find it a bit odd.


I agree with all of the above. What's your take on it?


Well, I`m not sure. I guess the tombstone could have interested him more than the other stuff, easier to draw perhaps. Or It could be a horseshit report. I just think someone going to a specific place a collect report would certainly be a bit more thorough and descriptive.


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Crimson_Ghost wrote:
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Good Morning Sparty and Bill, I know the Tisseyre report has been discussed over and over, but I`m gonna bring up a few points which have probably been kicked around as well. In the report Elie mentions going into the church, mentions a 5th c. flagstone, the Visgoth/Carolingian pillar, and visiting the trembling rock. I wonder why after mentioning all these objects, he never goes into any detail in describing the inscriptions on any of them, why did he single out the de Negre headstone complete with dimensions, a drawing, and text. I suppose this really can`t be answered, but I find it a bit odd.


I agree with all of the above. What's your take on it?


Well, I`m not sure. I guess the tombstone could have interested him more than the other stuff, easier to draw perhaps. Or It could be a horseshit report. I just think someone going to a specific place a collect report would certainly be a bit more thorough and descriptive.


The supposed tombstone inscription does certainly seem anomalous...

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The supposed tombstone inscription does certainly seem anomalous...


Sure, perhaps his reason for including it in the report.


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 Post subject: Re: Death Sword or Dead Magpie
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The death sword as envisaged by Philippe de Cherisey on the cover of CIRCUIT.

This symbology predates de Cherisey and has a particular meaning to a specific ideology...

You people are either deliberately trying to wind me up or you're stupid. Not sure which.

CHRISTIANITY IS A LIE ORIGINALLY DESIGNED AS A CONTROL OF THE POPULATION.


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espected Friend: — I received your friendly letter, for which I am obliged to you. It is three weeks ago to-day (Sunday, August fifteenth), that I was struck with a fit of an apoplexy that deprived me of all sense and motion. I had neither pulse nor breathing, and the people about me supposed me dead. I had felt exceedingly well that day, and had just taken a slice of bread and butter for supper, and was going to bed. The fit took me on the stairs, as suddenly as if I had been shot through the head; and I got so very much hurt by the fall, that I have not been able to get in and out of bed since that day, otherwise than being lifted out in a blanket, by two persons; yet all this while my mental faculties have remained as perfect as I ever enjoyed them. I consider the scene I have passed through as an experiment on dying, and I find that death has no terrors for me. As to the people called Christians, they have no evidence that their religion is true. There is no more proof that the Bible is the Word of God, than that the Koran of Mahomet is the Word of God. It is education makes all the difference. Man, before he begins to think for himself, is as much the child of habit in Creeds as he is in ploughing and sowing. Yet creeds, like opinions, prove nothing.

Where is the evidence that the person called Jesus Christ is the begotten Son of God? The case admits not of evidence either to our senses or our mental faculties: neither has God given to man any talent by which such a thing is comprehensible.

It cannot therefore be an object for faith to act upon, for faith is nothing more than an assent the mind gives to something it sees cause to believe is fact. But priests, preachers, and fanatics, put imagination in the place of faith, and it is the nature of the imagination to believe without evidence.

If Joseph the carpenter dreamed, (as the book of Matthew chap. 1st says he did), that his betrothed wife, Mary, was with child by the Holy Ghost, and that an angel told him so, I am not obliged to put faith in his dreams; nor do I put any, for I put no faith in my own dreams, and I should be weak and foolish indeed to put faith in the dreams of others.

The Christian religion is derogatory to the Creator in all its articles. It puts the Creator in an inferior point of view, and places the Christian Devil above him. It is he, according to the absurd story in Genesis, that outwits the Creator in the garden of Eden, and steals from Him His favorite creature, man, and at last obliges Him to beget a son, and put that son to death, to get man back again; and this the priests of the Christian religion call redemption.

Christian authors exclaim against the practice of offering up human sacrifices, which, they say, is done in some countries; and those authors make those exclamations without ever reflecting that their own doctrine of salvation is founded on a human sacrifice. They are saved, they say, by the blood of Christ. The Christian religion begins with a dream and ends with a murder.

As I am now well enough to sit up some hours in the day, though not well enough to get up without help, I employ myself as I have always done, in endeavoring to bring man to the right use of the reason that God has given him, and to direct his mind immediately to his Creator, and not to fanciful secondary beings called mediators, as if God was superannuated or ferocious.

As to the book called the Bible, it is blasphemy to call it the Word of God. It is a book of lies and contradictions, and a history of bad times and bad men. There are but a few good characters in the whole book. The fable of Christ and his twelve apostles, which is a parody on the sun and the twelve signs of the zodiac, copied from the ancient religions of the eastern world, is the least hurtful part. Everything told of Christ has reference to the sun. His reported resurrection is at sunrise, and that on the first day of the week; that is, on the day anciently dedicated to the sun, and from thence called Sunday — in Latin Dies Solis, the day of the sun; as the next day, Monday, is Moon-day. But there is no room in a letter to explain these things.

While man keeps to the belief of one God, his reason unites with his creed. He is not shocked with contradictions and horrid stories. His Bible is the heavens and the earth. He beholds his Creator in all His works, and everything he beholds inspires him with reverence and gratitude. From the goodness of God to all, he learns his duty to his fellowman, and stands self-reproved when he transgresses it. Such a man is no persecutor.

But when he multiplies his creed with imaginary things, of which he can have neither evidence nor conception, such as the tale of the garden of Eden, the Talking Serpent, the Fall of Man, the Dreams of Joseph the Carpenter, the pretended Resurrection and Ascension, of which there is even no historical relation — for no historian of those times mentions such a thing — he gets into the pathless region of confusion, and turns either fanatic or hypocrite. He forces his mind, and pretends to believe what he does not believe. This is in general the case with the Methodists. Their religion is all creed and no morals.

I have now, my friend, given you a facsimile of my mind on the subject of religions and creeds, and my wish is that you make this letter as publicly known as you find opportunities of doing.

I am glad to hear that Thomas is a good boy. It will always give me pleasure to know that he goes on well. You say that he begins to want a pair of trousers, shirt and a hat. You can take the horse and chair and take Thomas with you and go to the store and get him some strong stuff for a pair of trousers, hempen linnen for two shirts, and a hat. He shall not want for anything if he be a good boy and learn no bad words.

I have taken lodgings at Corlears Hook but I am not well enough to be removed, yet I continue tolerably well in health. What I suffer is pain and want of strength occasioned by the fall I got by the fit and fall, for I find I went headlong over the bannisters as suddenly as I had been shot through the head.

You speak of coming to N[ew] York. When you come take Thomas with you. You can come with the horse and chair. If I am not at Carver's he will tell you where I am. When you go to the store, go on to the landing and read this letter to Mr. Deltor. When you see Mr. Somerville present my respects. You and Thomas might take a walk there some Saturday afternoon, and call at Mr. Jonathan Wards. Take the letter with you.

Yours in friendship,
Thomas Paine.


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Thomas Paine

one of the Founding Fathers of the United States


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Rights of Man - A book which defends the French Revolution

Age of Reason: Being an Investigation of True and Fabulous Theology



Roscoe, this is a thread about dead magpies... Why the hell are you shouting your fool head off about Christianity being a lie on this thread? Isn't there somewhere else for people like you to go and shout at each other? My guess is that hardly anybody here cares at all about your reams of disassociated bullshit!

E Pluribus Unum...



Yes and I was part of a thread started by the owner of this forum and you lot started wittering on about some made up THEORY about when Saunière said something he really meant something else without offering any other evidence to back up the THEORY. I told you I would use YOUR methods on YOU and here I am doing it. How does it feel now?

Deal with it. Lot more to follow.

Do you actually think you're going to be able to discuss any of your banal mindless trash here?

Silly idiot.

Now you know how it feels.

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 Post subject: Re: Death Sword or Dead Magpie
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Crimson_Ghost wrote:
Spartacus Paraclete wrote:
The supposed tombstone inscription does certainly seem anomalous...


Sure, perhaps his reason for including it in the report.


Perhaps, although it is puzzling that Sauniere supposedly waited until after Tisseyre had recorded the supposed tombstone inscription to supposedly erase it (have I got that sequence of events right?).

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Yes and I was part of a thread started by the owner of this forum and you lot started wittering on about some made up THEORY about when Saunière said something he really meant something else without offering any other evidence to back up the THEORY. I told you I would use YOUR methods on YOU and here I am doing it. How does it feel now?

Deal with it. Lot more to follow.

Do you actually think you're going to be able to discuss anything here?

Silly idiot.

Now you know how it feels.



:lol: Good for you, Roscoe! I'm sure you feel absolutely great now...

E Pluribus Unum...

:lol:

SECRET ARY

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For those interested in Pies, there were twelve of them ..... Pie I to Pie XII.


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For those interested in Pies, there were twelve of them ..... Pie I to Pie XII.


And Apple Pie, Fish Pie, etc

Btw, how'd you get by Roscoe? He is going to stop all discussion until you lot accept that Secret. means secret...

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Good Morning Sparty and Bill, I know the Tisseyre report has been discussed over and over, but I`m gonna bring up a few points which have probably been kicked around as well. In the report Elie mentions going into the church, mentions a 5th c. flagstone, the Visgoth/Carolingian pillar, and visiting the trembling rock. I wonder why after mentioning all these objects, he never goes into any detail in describing the inscriptions on any of them, why did he single out the de Negre headstone complete with dimensions, a drawing, and text. I suppose this really can`t be answered, but I find it a bit odd.



Hi CG,
Many don't think Tisseyre made the trek at all, although I am not one of those, but if he did not, certainly the drawing of the tombstone was central to his plot.

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They were Popes.



Yes, the Pie Popes, the Pius group.

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On November 8, 2003, Henry Lincoln was given an Honorary Knighthood in the Militi Templi Scotia order. Sir Knight Lincoln was honoured at Newbattle Abbey in Scotland. This honour was given in recognition of his work in the fields of Sacred Geometry and Templar history.

Here's an important quote from Sir Knight Lincoln:

"Nothing is certain in the Saunière story it's all hearsay"

Yet we have half wits on here wanting confirmation for this and for that.

Got news for you.

You ain't gonna get it.

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wayward wrote:
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They were Popes.



Yes, the Pie Popes, the Pius group.


Yeh another case of

"If you can't find the evidence you need to shoe-horn into your theory then change the evidence"

Same as changing a word actually written by Saunière into something else because it sits more easily on the comfort zone.

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Crimson_Ghost wrote:
Good Morning Sparty and Bill, I know the Tisseyre report has been discussed over and over, but I`m gonna bring up a few points which have probably been kicked around as well. In the report Elie mentions going into the church, mentions a 5th c. flagstone, the Visgoth/Carolingian pillar, and visiting the trembling rock. I wonder why after mentioning all these objects, he never goes into any detail in describing the inscriptions on any of them, why did he single out the de Negre headstone complete with dimensions, a drawing, and text. I suppose this really can`t be answered, but I find it a bit odd.



Hi CG,
Many don't think Tisseyre made the trek at all, although I am not one of those, but if he did not, certainly the drawing of the tombstone was central to his plot.


Right, either way the stone obviously meant something to someone. As I said before I find it odd a group of people make a specific trip to the village for some observations and research, and leave with two drawings and one in depth description. For a scientific group they did some piss poor evaluations. Lets face it they could have filled a notebook with interesting notes and drawings. It certainly seems fishy to me.


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roscoe wrote:
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Sheila wrote:
They were Popes.



Yes, the Pie Popes, the Pius group.


Yeh another case of

"If you can't find the evidence you need to shoe-horn into your theory then change the evidence"

Same as changing the word written by Saunière into something else because it sits more easily on the comfort zone.


Roscoe, since your so damn confident in your theory why don`t you tell everyone what the real deal is. In your own words, no links to others quotes or research. Here I`ll get you started..."I Roscoe believe Sauniere knew...."


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Crimson_Ghost wrote:

Roscoe, since your so damn confident in your theory why don`t you tell everyone what the real deal is. In your own words, no links to others quotes or research. Here I`ll get you started..."I Roscoe believe Sauniere knew...."


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“In the Aude, the peasants rather believe in the malignant spirit, the fairies and the underground geniuses than with the Virgin and the Angels”
- Gaston Jourdanne - Contribution to the Folklore of the Aude - 1900.

Saunière was still alive in 1900.

Saunière was born in Montazels.

Montazels is in the Aude valley.

Saunière catered for the needs of his parishioners.

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Spartacus Paraclete wrote:
Crimson_Ghost wrote:
Spartacus Paraclete wrote:
The supposed tombstone inscription does certainly seem anomalous...


Sure, perhaps his reason for including it in the report.


Perhaps, although it is puzzling that Sauniere supposedly waited until after Tisseyre had recorded the supposed tombstone inscription to supposedly erase it (have I got that sequence of events right?).


I believe your correct, unless A). Tisseyre was viewing a copy of a stone Sauniere invented after destroying the original.B). Sauniere knowing the stone was key, received a copy of Tisseyres report, then realized he had to destroy the stone for obvious reasons.C) It`s all a fabrication.


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roscoe wrote:
Crimson_Ghost wrote:

Roscoe, since your so damn confident in your theory why don`t you tell everyone what the real deal is. In your own words, no links to others quotes or research. Here I`ll get you started..."I Roscoe believe Sauniere knew...."


Quote:
“In the Aude, the peasants rather believe in the malignant spirit, the fairies and the underground geniuses than with the Virgin and the Angels”
- Gaston Jourdanne - Contribution to the Folklore of the Aude - 1900.

Saunière was still alive in 1900.

Saunière was born in Montazels.

Montazels is in the Aude valley.

Saunière catered for the needs of his parishioners.


Ok, so do you think Sauniere wasn`t really preaching the Bible, but he was telling tales of little pink fairies, and pagan deities.


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Crimson_Ghost wrote:
Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Perhaps, although it is puzzling that Sauniere supposedly waited until after Tisseyre had recorded the supposed tombstone inscription to supposedly erase it (have I got that sequence of events right?).


I believe your correct, unless A). Tisseyre was viewing a copy of a stone Sauniere invented after destroying the original.B). Sauniere knowing the stone was key, received a copy of Tisseyres report, then realized he had to destroy the stone for obvious reasons.C) It`s all a fabrication.


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The two 'Marie de Blanchefort' stones photographed in 1971.
They indeed have been deliberately effaced, particularly the one with the crack.
If they are fake then where are the headstones and the grave of the prominent land owner Marie de Negre d'Ables Dame d'Hautpoul Marquise de Blanchefort?

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Here is stone with Stüblein's signature and the date 1884 added.
It is described as 'Carolingian tombstone found in 1882-3 under the altar of the Roman church of Rennes-le-Château'.
Notice that the shape of the stone and the crack are different. This Stüblein drawing is fake.
The headstone text is made up, but not by Philippe de Cherisey.

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Crimson_Ghost wrote:
roscoe wrote:
Crimson_Ghost wrote:

Roscoe, since your so damn confident in your theory why don`t you tell everyone what the real deal is. In your own words, no links to others quotes or research. Here I`ll get you started..."I Roscoe believe Sauniere knew...."


Quote:
“In the Aude, the peasants rather believe in the malignant spirit, the fairies and the underground geniuses than with the Virgin and the Angels”
- Gaston Jourdanne - Contribution to the Folklore of the Aude - 1900.

Saunière was still alive in 1900.

Saunière was born in Montazels.

Montazels is in the Aude valley.

Saunière catered for the needs of his parishioners.


Ok, so do you think Sauniere wasn`t really preaching the Bible, but he was telling tales of little pink fairies, and pagan deities.


Having a hard time with a direct answer?


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Crimson_Ghost wrote:
roscoe wrote:

Quote:
“In the Aude, the peasants rather believe in the malignant spirit, the fairies and the underground geniuses than with the Virgin and the Angels”
- Gaston Jourdanne - Contribution to the Folklore of the Aude - 1900.

Saunière was still alive in 1900.

Saunière was born in Montazels.

Montazels is in the Aude valley.

Saunière catered for the needs of his parishioners.


Ok, so do you think Sauniere wasn`t really preaching the Bible, but he was telling tales of little pink fairies, and pagan deities.

Having a hard time with a direct answer?


Saunière and Louis De Coma are currently buried in unconsecrated ground

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The Secret Commonwealth of Elves, Fauns and Fairies by The Reverend Robert Kirk. Committed to print in 1893 by Andrew Lang.

Andrew Lang wrote an interesting book about Joan of Arc

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...and don't forget the "oil" of Gethsemane.

Sheila wrote:
"selon Chaumeil, Saunière à un fructueux négoce d'huile de Colza"

according to Chaumeil, Saunière was a "profitable Colza oil trader".

Oh really....


Il faut entre 3 et 4 kilos de graines pour faire un litre d'huile de colza ...et un Pressoir.

so.... (according to rapeseed monthly) to make a litre of rapeseed oil you need 3 to 4 kilos of seed...and a press to extract the oil.

....there's something else going on here dontcha think

There is a Pressoir at Rennes le Château at the original old church i believe......but in a bizarre Lovuian kind of way i find myself back at... Gethsémani (Gat-Shémanîm) = pressoir à huile ......“Gethsemane” which means “oil press”.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressoir_mystique

....and let's not forget Louis de Coma and his l’Oeuvre de Gethsemane ....Louis de Coma, the man who set the standard for priests behaving strangely.


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After finishing his studies de Coma became a religious teacher until his father died in 1855. He returned home to the family domain of Carol, close to Baulou in the French Ariège region.

He used the money he inherited to found ‘l’Oeuvre de Gethsemane (the works of Gethsemane), a foundation that received money for saying masses for the dead. His obsession with death also made him of the leader of the ‘Association de Bonne Mort’ (Association of the Good Death ). He became an expert in saying masses for the dead. He became even wealthier earning a franc for mentioning the name of the deceased during mass and 100 francs for a tailor-made mass with every possible decorum. He travelled the entire country doing so and made quite a name for himself.


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Louis va alors rejoindre le vaste domaine familial, à Baulou dans l’Ariège. Il dirige l’Association « La Bonne Mort », affiliée à la Compagnie de Jésus et dont l’objectif est d’aider les croyants à préparer leur mort. Association qui consiste à recevoir des dons, organiser des retraites payantes, des confessions... Il crée l’œuvre de Gethsemani dont le but est de recevoir des dons pour des messes en faveur des mourants (Une messe individuelle 100f, 1 messe commune 1 f). Déjà, nous constatons des similitudes avec Saunière.


so if we are going to be wandering down blind-alleys (and admit it, we do it a lot), i'd at least like to make the detour interesting :D


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