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 Post subject: Re: Grid
PostPosted: 22 Apr 2012 2:56 pm 
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It is difficult to tell whether this is a spider or an octopus. Did Tertius say that the

grillade/grid code is "the key to translating the parchments"? Does that sound like Roger?


Sorry Rene but where did you get that extract from?

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Thank you Tertius, yes, a grid as a "grill". Do you think the poem

is meant to be a pun?


Ce n'est rien de moins que la clef pour dechiffrer les parchemins. C'est simple.

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Renne wrote:
Thank you Tertius, yes, a grid as a "grill". Do you think the poem

is meant to be a pun?


Ce n'est rien de moins que la clef pour dechiffrer les parchemins. C'est simple.


:? Rene, this is Rain, Hallo, I asked where you got the parchment from?

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 Post subject: Re: Grilled fish
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Renne wrote:
It`s from the book about Jules Verne and RLC (but not in reference to the Sot Pecheur) -

he says that a "grillade" is a code.



Do you mean Michael Lamy's book on Jules Verne and RLC?

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 Post subject: Parchment
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Hi Rain, The parchment is from the collection of Andre Douzet. And yes,

the Michael Lamy book.

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 Post subject: Re: Parchment
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Hi Rain, The parchment is from the collection of Andre Douzet. And yes,

the Michael Lamy book.


Thanks let me try and help you with it. I've skimmed the book again but I'm a bit busy at the moment but I do want to show you something.

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 Post subject: Re: Maguelonne
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Here's what I wanted to show you Renne. These are traverse boards used as a memory aid in dead reckoning navigation.

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"Speed (and distance) was measured every hour. The officer of the watch would keep track of the speed and course sailed every hour by using a toleta, or traverse board. This was a peg-board with holes radiating from the center along every point of the compass. The peg was moved from the center along the course traveled, for the distance made during that hour. After four hours, another peg was used to represent the distance made good in leagues during the whole watch. At the end of the day, the total distance and course for the day was transferred to the chart.

Columbus was the first sailor (that we know of) who kept a detailed log of his voyages, but only the log of the first voyage survives in any detail. It is by these records that we know how Columbus navigated, and how we know that he was primarily a DR navigator.

Since DR is dependent upon continuous measurements of course and distance sailed, we should expect that any log kept by a DR navigator would have these records; and this is exactly what Columbus's log looks like. If Columbus had been a celestial navigator, we would expect to see continuous records of celestial observations; but Columbus's log does not show such records during either of the transatlantic portions of the first voyage."

Even after reading this whole article, I`m not sure about how the Dead Reckoning board works visually, but I do think that it is the source for the grid parchment. It seems that every PoS clue leads back to navigation and ships, even those 2 new Poussins.

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 Post subject: Re: Maguelonne
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Even after reading this whole article, I`m not sure about how the Dead Reckoning board works visually, but I do think that it is the source for the grid parchment. It seems that every PoS clue leads back to navigation and ships, even those 2 new Poussins.


They're like circuit boards - remember the old switchboards(plugboards) and the operator. You'd pick up the phone, tell the operator who you would like to speak to and they would connect you by pluggin in the correct switch and completing the circuit.

If we look at Enigma - we can see a plugboard in use.

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The plugboard (Steckerbrett) was positioned at the front of the machine, below the keys. When in use during World War II, there were ten connections. In this photograph, just two pairs of letters have been swapped (A↔J and S↔O).
The plugboard (Steckerbrett in German) permitted variable wiring that could be reconfigured by the operator (visible on the front panel of Figure 1; some of the patch cords can be seen in the lid). It was introduced on German Army versions in 1930, and was soon adopted by the Navy as well. The plugboard contributed a great deal to the strength of the machine's encryption: more than an extra rotor would have done. Enigma without a plugboard (known as unsteckered Enigma) can be solved relatively straightforwardly using hand methods; these techniques are generally defeated by the addition of a plugboard, and Allied cryptanalysts resorted to special machines to solve it.

A cable placed onto the plugboard connected letters up in pairs; for example, E and Q might be a steckered pair. The effect was to swap those letters before and after the main rotor scrambling unit. For example, when an operator presses E, the signal was diverted to Q before entering the rotors. Several such steckered pairs, up to 13, might be used at one time. However, normally only 10 pairs were used at any one time.

Current flowed from the keyboard through the plugboard, and proceeded to the entry-rotor or Eintrittswalze. Each letter on the plugboard had two jacks. Inserting a plug disconnected the upper jack (from the keyboard) and the lower jack (to the entry-rotor) of that letter. The plug at the other end of the crosswired cable was inserted into another letter's jacks, thus switching the connections of the two letters.



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A number of additional features were produced to make various Enigma machines more secure or more convenient to use.[18]

One feature that was used on some M4 Enigmas was the Schreibmax, a small printer which could print the 26 letters on a narrow paper ribbon. This did away with the need for a second operator to read the lamps and write the letters down. The Schreibmax was placed on top of the Enigma machine and was connected to the lamp panel. To install the printer, the lamp cover and all light bulbs had to be removed. Besides its convenience, it could improve operational security; the printer could be installed remotely such that the signal officer operating the machine no longer had to see the decrypted plaintext information.

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 Post subject: Re: Maguelonne
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Renne wrote:
Even after reading this whole article, I`m not sure about how the Dead Reckoning board works visually, but I do think that it is the source for the grid parchment. It seems that every PoS clue leads back to navigation and ships, even those 2 new Poussins.


While this isn't widely known in the ancient world Navigators were Priests. All ships in the East were required to have Priest that specialised in Navigation and Astrology on board.
There are three distinct traditions - the Polynesians, the Indians(Hindu's), Tao(China) that had this tradition.

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Western scholars have underestimated India's achievement with regard to commerce, ship-building and navigation, and sea travel. These scholars believed in the Doctrine of Christian Discovery - According to which only Christians could be regarded as discoverers. Hence, the claim that Columbus “discovered” America , or that Vasco da Gama “discovered” India). The people already living on the land did not matter. This colonist bias against Indian culture is fully matched by the Indian 'Marxist historian' bias against Hindu culture.

India, situated at the central point of the ocean that washes on its coast on three sides, seemed destined very early for a maritime future. In the Rig Veda, a passage (I. 25.7) represents Varuna having a full knowledge of the sea routes, and another (L. 56.2) speaks of merchants going everywhere and frequenting every part of the sea for gain. The Ramayana refers to the Yavan Dvipa and Suvarna Dvipa (Java and Sumatra) and to the Lohta Sayara or the Red Sea. The drama Sakuntala, Ratnavali of King Harsha, Sisupalvadha of Magha, relates stories of sea voyages of merchants and others, and the fabulous literature of India is replete with stories of sea voyages by Hindus. Historian R. C. Majumdar states: "The representation of ship on a seal indicates maritime activity, and there is enough evidence to show that the peoples of the Sindhu valley carried on trade not only with other parts of India but also with Sumer and the centers of culture in Western Asia, and with Egypt and Crete."

There was a time in the past, when Indians were the masters of the sea borne trade of Europe, Asia and Africa. They built ships, navigated the sea, and held in their hands all the threads of international commerce, whether carried on overland or sea. In Sanskrit books we constantly read of merchants, traders and men engrossed in commercial pursuits. Manu Smriti, the oldest law book in the world, lays down laws to govern commercial disputes having references to sea borne traffic as well as inland and overland commerce. India, according to Chamber's Encyclopedia, "has been celebrated during many ages for its valuable natural productions, its beautiful manufactures and costly merchandise," was, says the Encyclopedia Britannica, "once the seat of commerce." Sir William Jones was of opinion that the Hindus must have been navigators in the age of Manu. Lord Elphinstone has written that "The Hindus navigated the ocean as early as the age of Manu's Code because we read in it of men well acquainted with sea voyages." Ms. Manning, author of Ancient and Mediaeval India writes: "The indirect evidence afforded by the presence of Indian products in other countries coincides with the direct testimony of Sanskrit literature to establish the fact that the ancient Hindus were a commercial people."

Indian traders would set sail from the port of Mahabalipuram, carrying with them cinnamon, pepper and their civilization to the shores of Java, Cambodia and Bali. Like the Western world, the Indian world stretches far beyond its border, though India has never used any violence to spread her influence. Noted historian, R. C. Majumdar observed: "The Indian colonies in the Far East must ever remain as the high watermark of maritime and colonial enterprise of the ancient Indians." It has been proved beyond doubt that the Indians of the past were not, stay-at-home people, but went out of their country for exploration, trade and conquest. Sir Aurel Stein (1862-1943) a Hungarian, whose valuable researches have added greatly to our knowledge of Greater India, remarks: "The vast extent of Indian cultural influences, from Central Asia in the North to tropical Indonesia in the South, and from the Borderlands of Persia to China and Japan, has shown that ancient India was a radiating center of a civilization, which by its religious thought, its art and literature, was destined to leave its deep mark on the races wholly diverse and scattered over the greater part of Asia."

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 Post subject: Codes
PostPosted: 26 Apr 2012 11:54 pm 
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So the Dead Reckoning board led to the encription techniques? That is quite amazing. Is that like the origin

of the calculator computer in the loom patterns of weavers? I remember the plug-in phone operators. I used to work

at UNIVAC in the early days of computers wiring 1004 boards with connecting wires. Now-a-days those big square

boards have been replaced by computer chips! Interesting that the priests were the navigators. The codes were very

complex, but the Navajo code-talkers spoke a language that no one could interpret.

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The Navajo Code-Talker monument at Window Rock on the Navajo Reservation in N. Arizona.

My sister used to teach out there.

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 Post subject: Re: Maguelonne
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The codes were very

complex, but the Navajo code-talkers spoke a language that no one could interpret.


The Navajo language includes vowels but in an unusual way with only four vowels A E I O and intonations - it was postulated that the ancient language did not include vowels except via the teachings of the qabbalah(great halls of mystery) in that it introduces the vowels to the language to create rythm et al.

So in actuality the navajo language is by it's nature a throwback to the encrypted languages we used to speak or so they say.

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So the Dead Reckoning board led to the encription techniques?


It's more the chicken or the egg scenario - they derive from the higher form of mathematics such as - architecture, geometry, mathematics, chemistry, language, agriculture, astonomy.
Again they derive from a time where learning the higher arts were hidden and only available through the specific schools dedicated to the higher arts and served as advisors to the rulers and their courts.

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In agriculture the grid was used to reapply the boundaries after the inundations of the rivers and the alluvian silt had situated itself over the land.
By decree in Ancient egypt it was the Elephantine fishermen(priests) that were bought in to resituate the land and clear the canals for the following seasons inundation of the Nile.
As you can see the following is the Sumerian tradition - refering to Tammuz.


http://www.bibleorigins.net/TammuzDumuziDamuSeal.html

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 Post subject: Grid
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That Sumerian grid is very interesting. Wasn`t geometry invented in order to measure fields?

I read that 18% - 20% of the words in the Mixtec language of Mexico derive from Hebrew and perhaps from

other ancient languages - Thomas Stuart Ferguson 1958. That`s like what you were saying about

the Navajo language and code, Rain.

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Renne wrote:
That Sumerian grid is very interesting. Wasn`t geometry invented in order to measure fields?


I think it was to measure the Heavens and Earth - in other words the Divine.

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I read that 18% - 20% of the words in the Mixtec language of Mexico derive from Hebrew and perhaps from

other ancient languages - Thomas Stuart Ferguson 1958. That`s like what you were saying about

the Navajo language and code, Rain.


I remember reading something about these languages esp. the native American languages along with Vietnamese had the capacity to be Mathematical languages - in other words because they used intonations they required a different set of skills.
It's hard to explain but the languages are more like singing then they are just monotonals languages such as English.

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Very interesting. There are some areas of Mexico where the language is spoken like singing. It`s a sing-song way
of speaking that comes from the ancient language. Mathematical - I`ve never heard that before. We were talking about
navigation, do you think that the design below has anything to do with sailing?

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"The magic square in the Gorge of Galamus. So many opinions about what it could mean!" Reading my
mythology of Oceania book gave me an idea about this. Could it represent something that Rain and rs008
would be more familiar with than the rest of us, and have to do with navigation as it does in Oceania?

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The Galamus hermitage



The location

Galamus is officially part of the community of Saint-Paul-de-Fenouillet, though it is often linked with Bugarach – either to make it more part of the mystery of that area, or perhaps because there is a link that few have not been able to decipher.
When leaving Rennes-les-Bains for Bugarach, one can continue the journey towards the “Gorges de Galamus”, an incredible spectacle – except for the fearful driver, who will have his eyes firmly on the road, praying that no car will come from the other direction. If that is the case, then there is but one alternative: someone will have to reverse, as there are certain places where passing is impossible. Indeed, this road, carved out in the rock, is a feat of quite recent engineering, showing how nature quite often won out against Man.
Having reached the end of the gorge, most are happy to see the road widen. And almost immediately, on the right hand side, there is a large parking lot, with signs leading the visitor down towards the hermitage. Despite this descent, we are still at 576 metres above sea level. But, eventually, the walker will see the site, which is a series of natural caves, so close to each other that they appear to be but one cave.

The first hermits

It is said that the caves saw an early inhabitation, as everything Man could want for, was available. What was good for early Man, seemed excellent for a religious community, which seems to have settled here in the 7th century. That is relatively late, seeing how in previous centuries, such cave complexes, such as in Cappadocia, which is of course much closer to Jerusalem, were already the bailiwick of religious confraternities.
It is then that the small cave of the Galamus complex was chosen as the habitat for a hermit – thus becoming a hermitage. A spring provided him with the necessary water. Indeed, the river below also offered abundant quantities of water, but the descent and ascent would have been hard, if not dangerous.

More hermits

In the 15th century, the site was rearranged by the Franciscans, at which time it apparently also became a very popular destination for pilgrimages.
In 1782, Saint-Paul-de-Fenouillet was hit by a disastrous epidemic, similar to gangrene, which was often mortal in its consequences. There were already 14 dead in the village and it was then that the population placed itself under the protection of Saint Anthony of Galamus. And, behold, a miracle occurred. The epidemic stopped. As thanks for this divine intervention, a chapel was built inside the large cave. According to tradition, the giant plane tree that can be found in this cavity dates from that period.
Since, the sanctuary is thus also under the protection of Saint Anthony the Great, patron saints of hermits. Legend speaks of his temptations and his victory over the demonic traps that were placed on his road to salvation. As to the small pig that normally accompanies the saint, it symbolises evil that was conquered and converted into good.

As to the original grotto, in which the spring is located, this is under the protection of another saint… Mary Magdalene. Both Mary Magdalene and Saint Anthony are notorious hermits, and hence likely protectors for hermitages. Nothing out of the ordinary, were it not for the fact that both are dragged into the mystery of Rennes-le-Château.

Entry into the Otherworld

Parts of the cavities of Galamus are said to have a considerable extension, i.e. another gallery, whose access has now disappeared. Indeed, in 1597, Albert Fonçay Map (see archives of Louis P. Poincet) ventured into this circular network, accompanied by a nun, one Marie-Bernard Brauge. It is not known what happened to the latter, as only Albert Fonçay Map would be discovered three days later, by workmen from Bugarach. Gravely injured, he was said to have no memory. Sometimes, he nevertheless revived from his lethargic state, only to utter incoherent phrases. Three weeks later, he died, in a delirium that was apparently accompanied by incredible terror. The last few days of this poor man were written down in a manuscript dating from 1601, from the hand of one P. Poincet (only his initial is known) who said he assisted the surgeon, and who carefully noted all aspects of the accident and its sad ending. We note that Poincet was greatly interested in all the details to do with the site, even though his motive remains unclear.
It is no doubt as a consequence of this tragedy that Father Albouys decided to close the entrance to this cylindrical fault. The question, of course, is what these two people were going in search of in the first place?
With our present understanding of geology, and the information provided by Father Albouys, it is now relatively easy to identify the start of this fault… but in the interest of health and safety, we will refrain from providing this information… until a bit later on.

Contradictions

The magic square

The pilgrims considered Galamus to be the “Sacred Mountain” or the “Holy Mountain”. This designation would likely originate with the miraculous healing of 1782, but some sources claim the name goes back to the origins of the hermitage, even though at the time, there was apparently not a single miracle or religious imperative why the site would be designated as such.
Another detail needs to be highlighted here: since the 7th century, hermits occupied these caves and ever since, there has been a steady flow of pilgrims to the site. However, the primary note about becoming a hermit is that he has chosen to live alone, removed from the rest of the world. Living where there is a lot of human traffic, is therefore not the most ideal location for a hermit to find his desired peace. And this contradiction only worsened in 1782, when one cave was transformed in a sanctuary that would see even more visitors. And it appears – and we suspect – that ever since the unfortunate accident of 1597, involving that gallery that opened up in the cave of the Magdalene, the hermits were there largely to guard and protect the site. Rather than finding peace, they may have been there to protect the peace.

A bastion of faith

The location became a military stronghold, rather than a religious retreat, during the French war of religions. Today, there remain clear signs of these fortifications. It is a visible reminder that this period must have been traumatic for any hermits on site, as war was no doubt not at all a reason why they had chosen a religious calling. But it seems that at that moment in time, the hermits had to take up arms.
We know that it was a certain Hubert Labaut who was put in charge of equipping the site for its military purpose. We note his name, for he was known to be an expert in the mining industry. Though he may hence not have been ideally suited for the stated purpose, he may have been ideal for exploration of the subterranean aspects of the site. Of course, perhaps in these troublesome times, one had to work with the first available expert, rather than the best available expert. But perhaps the odd choice of using the cave as a stronghold in this war – and its defence – served other or higher purposes than at first may appear to be the case.

Magic dance

Saint Anthony’s chapel is renowned for containing a magic square: SATOR – AREPO – TENET – OPERA – ROTAS. It is beautifully executed. But what is a magic square doing in a structure that is purely Catholic in origin? For sure, as Galamus is not the only location where this “decoration” has been found, some have come up with explanations that make it appear that this has a significance within the Catholic doctrine. But it should fail to impress most, if not all.
Indeed, we note that the inscription was already found in the ruins if Pompey, which thus makes it definitely older than Christianity. Here, in Galamus, it may indicate that the site was in use prior to a Christian dedication too – or that at some point, a magical dimension was added to its “pure Catholic” purpose. Perhaps because people resorted to magic, either due to the enigmatic incidents that had occurred, or as part of the miraculous protection the Saint had offered to the village?

The word “arepo” is actually Celtic in origin, derived from “Arpennis”, which means “head, end of land” and which resulted in the French word “arpent”: a piece of land. Jean Chevalier and Alain Gueerbrant have argued that this type of symbolism should be traced back to Celtic times, specifically druidism, and argue that the inscription is linked with the Wheel of Fortune.
Of course, it was Boudet who spoke of a “True Celtic Tongue”, a book that he published in 1886 and which has become one of the enigmatic ingredients of the mystery of Rennes-le-Château. Furthermore, whereas everyone agrees that Galamus as a word is Celtic in origin, no-one has been able to explain its etymology conclusively.

Mary Magdalene, hosting Jesus once again

The Galamus cave

In the Mary Magdalene cave, there is the large basin that holds the water from the spring. Here is also a large sculpture, showing Christ rising to Heaven, accompanied by two female characters. One of them has her eyes bandages, but is nevertheless still looking into a mirror, trying to brush her hair, while the other is looking at Jesus admiringly. He has the stigmata on his wrists and feet. Though this sculpture is remarkably realistic, it is nevertheless interesting to note that Christ does not have any mark on his right abdomen of the blow of the lance, which he received from a legionnaire, Longinus. A regrettable omission by the artist?
It is here, near this statue, that the original entrance to this “subterranean realm” was once located.

The Blue Mammoth

In 1935, Luc Alberny saw his book “The Blue Mammoth” published by the "Bibliothèque du Hérisson”. When reading the book, it seems as if the author has been greatly inspired by the real-life tragedy that had befallen Albert Fonçay Map and his companion, as written down by P. Poincet.
The story goes as follows: lawyer Michel Chesnay and his geology friend Francis Jarain are walking in the Gorge of Galamus when they stumble upon the hermitage, which they believe to be empty, but is occupied by a mysterious hermit, Brother Anselmus. Jarain, however, recognises him as the famous André Vernon, the inventor of scientific speleology, who has been officially missing for more than a year. Returning to Cubières, they learn, from Father Laugé, that this hermit has retired from the “real world” after a disastrous love story. Next, the topic of discussion changes to the strange cave of Fauzan, where there is a phosphate mine, made up from the bones of a gigantic necropolis of mammoths. Laugé states that it is André Vernon who has offered the hypothesis that this “cemetery” was the site of a cult of the dead, involving these animals.

One month later, the hermit (André Vernon) has disappeared and his papers are found in total disarray inside the hermitage. A homeless person, Rudeau, is accused of murdering him. The judge making this charge is Etchepare, famous for his works on the Basque language and its mysteries. However, Father Laugé brings to Michel Chesnay the notes of the hermit, which reveal that he has gone about exploring the cave of Fauzan, which he refers to as “the cemetery of the accursed mammoths”.
In these notes, the speleologist writes his autobiography. In love with his cousin Geneviève, he is gravely injured during the war. Out of pity for him, she accepts to marry him, but the following day, she disappears in the Basque cave of Dargilan. Unwilling to accept that she has fallen out of love with him, he believes his fiancée has instead fallen into the cave and searches furiously for her body. He ends up falling himself in a crevice and is taken, unconsciously, down a subterranean river.
He regains consciousness in an immense cave, where he is watched over by a mammoth – of all things. But, horrors of horrors, the animal is able to speak a Basque that is linguistically pure. Basque is said to be the original language spoken by the mammoths. He explains to him that no harm will come to him, as he is protected by the “King of the World”, the “Blue Mammoth”.
The mammoth tells him that they, these remnants from a bygone age, are hiding in an immense subterranean cave, so large that it covers several countries. The subterranean land itself is called “Great Euscaria”. As the hermit becomes more and more familiar with this subterranean civilisation, he learns that a certain Angela also stumbled into this kingdom a few years ago. It soon becomes clear that this Angela is none other than his cousin Geneviève. Unfortunately, since, Angela-Geneviève has fallen in love with “Ibrida”, the king of the Centaurs, another subterranean race that was here before the arrival of the great knowledgeable mammoths.
He is told that both races are different. The mammoths have taken up the name “Khan” for their race and have a fertile capital, known as “Dhôme de Yalna”, and possess an enigmatic serum, the “Ohim”, which gives them immortality and health, as well as liberating them from any and all destructive or devouring passions. The Centaurs have “Pokmé” as capital and have however, in the name of love, refused the “law of Ohim” and thus continue to be subjected to passion, as is in evidence with the love Ibrida has shown for Angela.

Vernon finds Geneviève, but she decides to stay with the king of the Centaurs. The hermit thus returns and is received by the king of the mammoths, “Khan-Yalna-Khan, the Blue Mammoth”, who is several thousands of years old. He explains that he abandoned the Earth’s surface for the subterranean world, this so that his race would be safe from catastrophes. They had made sure that all points of access from the earthly realm into the underworld were closed off. He explains that it were the Basque people that the great mammoths had instructed before the catastrophe struck Earth.
Faced with the despair that Vernon has over his lost love, the king proposes to provide him with an injection of Ohim, so that he no longer suffers from passion and becomes immortal, but in return for this, he is not allowed to leave the subterranean kingdom. The king also tells him that love is the destructor of race, and that the mine of Fauzan is, in fact, the “accursed cemetery of the mammoths”, specifically those who, when revolting against the mass administration of Ohim, died, from love.

Like those dead mammoths, Vernon refuses to take the drug that the king offers him and decides instead to return to his world above. Nevertheless, the opening will remain passable for two months, in case the hermit will decide to re-descend towards knowledge and eternal life.
Rereading the notes of André Vernon (also known as hermit Anselmus), Françis Jarain understands that the date of his disappearance largely corresponds with the closing of the passage… though the day after the passage would be closed. It is hence in this cave that the dead body of Anselmus is soon discovered by miners, once they are instructed to validate the researchers’ conclusion.

Correspondences

Though labelled a science fiction novel, the novel does contain all the great themes that run as the central storylines of esoteric classics:
- A subterranean world that is far better, which sits underneath several countries, and which is illuminated by a strange light.
- Stories of immortal races, giants, in possession of all knowledge, as well as being educators of Mankind.
- Passages that have been forgotten but which nevertheless allow for communication between this world and the one below.
- The struggle of love and absolute knowledge.
- The gigantic cemeteries of those who believe that one can live of love alone.
- The elixir of immortality.
- Forgotten languages, left to us by our “Great Ancestors” that have disappeared or have been forgotten.

The remarkable aspect of this novel, of course, is that it is set in Galamus, in the hermitage that has seen its fair share of mystery. Though a novel, was it indeed perhaps deemed to be a fictionalised account of another “love affair”, between a man and a woman, in the 16th century, who also disappeared in Galamus, one who would never return, and the other, who leaves us with an enigmatic account that what we see today, is indeed only the outer layer of an invisible – subterranean – dimension that hides beneath Galamus - from Perillos.com

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In Jules Vernes novel it's Captain Bugarach is it not?

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"Saint Anthony’s chapel is renowned for containing a magic square: SATOR – AREPO – TENET – OPERA – ROTAS. It is beautifully executed. But what is a magic square doing in a structure that is purely Catholic in origin? For sure, as Galamus is not the only location where this “decoration” has been found, some have come up with explanations that make it appear that this has a significance within the Catholic doctrine. But it should fail to impress most, if not all.
Indeed, we note that the inscription was already found in the ruins if Pompey, which thus makes it definitely older than Christianity. Here, in Galamus, it may indicate that the site was in use prior to a Christian dedication too – or that at some point, a magical dimension was added to its “pure Catholic” purpose. Perhaps because people resorted to magic, either due to the enigmatic incidents that had occurred, or as part of the miraculous protection the Saint had offered to the village?

The word “arepo” is actually Celtic in origin, derived from “Arpennis”, which means “head, end of land” and which resulted in the French word “arpent”: a piece of land. Jean Chevalier and Alain Gueerbrant have argued that this type of symbolism should be traced back to Celtic times, specifically druidism, and argue that the inscription is linked with the Wheel of Fortune.
Of course, it was Boudet who spoke of a “True Celtic Tongue”, a book that he published in 1886 and which has become one of the enigmatic ingredients of the mystery of Rennes-le-Château. Furthermore, whereas everyone agrees that Galamus as a word is Celtic in origin, no-one has been able to explain its etymology conclusively."

This complex of caves holds legends of St. Anthony and Mary Magdalene, could the RLC parchments refer to this place? There is also a reference to the Wheel of Fortune as seen in the Bugarach window. Captain Bugarach! I remember him and also "Clovis Dandentor", another Jules Verne hero. Wasn`t it all about symbolic RLC geography with Verne and Boudet as well? Galamus seems to be an area of multi-storied caves, that sounds familiar.

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"Two possible translations of the phrase are 'The sower Arepo holds the wheels with effort' and 'The sower Arepo leads with his hand (work) the plough (wheels).'"


"The Sator Square is a word square containing a Latin palindrome featuring the words SATOR AREPO TENET OPERA ROTAS written in a square so that they may be read top-to-bottom, bottom-to-top, left-to-right, and right-to-left. The earliest known appearance of the square was found in the ruins of Pompeii which was buried in the ash of Mt. Vesuvius in 79 AD. If the Sator Square is read boustrophedon, with a reverse in direction, then the words become SATOR OPERA TENET, with the sequence reversed."

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That's really interesting Renne. I'm going read up a bit more on it. I remember part of this from Michael Lamy's book.

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Did you read the long post above? It`s a synopsis of a fantasy novel like Verne`s, I guess it was a genre.

Those guys must have been trippers, the great blue Mammoth - now there`s a legend! Have you read "The Tomb of God"?

They include copies of classical carvings that the Templars left which referred to the Rose Line`s location. I think that the

Maguelonne Square could be by them as well. Was Verne a member of the Girona Society?

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Thought you would like this Rain!

"For the lucky residents of the Southern Hemisphere, or those fortunate enough to enjoy a vacation in Hawaii or Cancun, there’s a stellar delight that few Northerners know about. It’s called the Southern Cross, a small but beautiful constellation located in the southern sky, very close to the neighboring constellation of Centaurus. Originally known by the Latin name Crux, which is due to its cross shape, this constellation is one of the easiest to identify in the night sky. For centuries, it has served as a navigational beacon for sailors, an important symbol to the Egyptians, and played an important role in the spiritual beliefs of the Aborigines and many other cultures in the Southern Hemisphere.

The first recorded example of Crux’s discovery was around 1000 BC during the time of the Ancient Greeks. At the latitude of Athens, Crux was clearly visible, though low in the night sky. At the time, the Greeks identified it as being part of the constellation Centaurus. However, the precession of the equinoxes gradually lowered its stars below the European horizon, and they were eventually forgotten by the inhabitants of northern latitudes. Crux fell into anonymity for northerners until the Age of Discovery (from the early 15th to early 17th centuries) when it was rediscovered by Europeans. The first to do so were the Portuguese, who mapped it for navigation uses while rounding the southern tip of Africa."

Does the Magic Square of the Galamus Gorge represent the Southern Cross constellation used in Templar navigation?

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Contradictions

The magic square
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Magic dance

Saint Anthony’s chapel is renowned for containing a magic square: SATOR – AREPO – TENET – OPERA – ROTAS. It is beautifully executed. But what is a magic square doing in a structure that is purely Catholic in origin? For sure, as Galamus is not the only location where this “decoration” has been found, some have come up with explanations that make it appear that this has a significance within the Catholic doctrine. But it should fail to impress most, if not all.
Indeed, we note that the inscription was already found in the ruins if Pompey, which thus makes it definitely older than Christianity. Here, in Galamus, it may indicate that the site was in use prior to a Christian dedication too – or that at some point, a magical dimension was added to its “pure Catholic” purpose. Perhaps because people resorted to magic, either due to the enigmatic incidents that had occurred, or as part of the miraculous protection the Saint had offered to the village?
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Did I read somewhere that the SATOR-AREPO...magic square is a crossed PATERNOSTER squared?

Isn't it that if you write PATERNOSTER as a cross sharing the middle N, you are left with AO-AO - which placed at either end of the PATERNOSTER becomes the Alpha and the Omega?

Edited: Serendipity - the PATERNOSTER is shown here http://mysteriouswritings.com/the-histo ... e-anagram/

Edit II: Do we get some form of trend here? Much as Roscoe points out that Christian churches overlaid existing pagan sites (and I would guess those 'pagan' sites used older religious sites and those older....etc). Did some Chritian see the link between SATOR and PATER (which came first?) - ditto for the 'In hoc signo vinces' labarum. The labarum appears to be a far older symbol than Constantine or even Jesus - so was that simply used to 'unite' the old and the new and just given a new meaning? It's already been argued that a large part of Christianity is then simply a 're-branding' exercise - from a Sun god to a Sun of G_d.
Or has it all been the same religion, just with periodic 'make-overs' to suit the times? Maybe 'religion' does hold some fundamental truth that is rekindled every couple of thousand years. Maybe Hawkins in his search for the Big Bang or that basic particle is simply looking for the source of the Word that was the beginning.

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Saint Anthony’s chapel is renowned for containing a magic square: SATOR – AREPO – TENET – OPERA – ROTAS. It is beautifully executed. But what is a magic square doing in a structure that is purely Catholic in origin? For sure, as Galamus is not the only location where this “decoration” has been found, some have come up with explanations that make it appear that this has a significance within the Catholic doctrine. But it should fail to impress most, if not all.
Indeed, we note that the inscription was already found in the ruins if Pompey, which thus makes it definitely older than Christianity. Here, in Galamus, it may indicate that the site was in use prior to a Christian dedication too – or that at some point, a magical dimension was added to its “pure Catholic” purpose. Perhaps because people resorted to magic, either due to the enigmatic incidents that had occurred, or as part of the miraculous protection the Saint had offered to the village?

The word “arepo” is actually Celtic in origin, derived from “Arpennis”, which means “head, end of land” and which resulted in the French word “arpent”: a piece of land. Jean Chevalier and Alain Gueerbrant have argued that this type of symbolism should be traced back to Celtic times, specifically druidism, and argue that the inscription is linked with the Wheel of Fortune.
Of course, it was Boudet who spoke of a “True Celtic Tongue”, a book that he published in 1886 and which has become one of the enigmatic ingredients of the mystery of Rennes-le-Château. Furthermore, whereas everyone agrees that Galamus as a word is Celtic in origin, no-one has been able to explain its etymology conclusively.

from Perillos.com


The rather unusual looking head on the top of the Galamus SATOR square is also intriguing.

“Irmine” made some interesting comments not so long ago about this, suggesting that this monument at Galamus, which seems to be fairly recent, is connected in some way not only with the head of Dagobert (which has a SATOR square on the back of it ) depicted in Stüblein’s Pierres Gravées du Languedoc, pp. 186 and 187; but also with “the magnificent head of the Lord Jesus” that Boudet rescued (LVLC, pp. 234 and 306).

Does anyone know any more about the sculptor of the Galamus monument and its commission?

Paddy

http://jhaldezos.free.fr/elements_insolites/Pierre_gravees.pdf
http://www.andrewgough.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3759&p=91725&hilit=+Galamus#p91725
http://www.perillos.com/galamus.html


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