How in the world do we know that there are dinosaurs?
We don't have eye witnesses
no documents exist?
They did exist
We have their bones....if we didn't though how would we know they existed
we wouldn't but that doesn't mean they didn't exist
Dinosaurs can't write and they don't talk the same language as us
But Lov it's a hell of a gap between showing a different species existed to showing that one individual person did.
I agree that it's unlikely that they'll ever prove His existance either way.
But, if someone positted today that Hercules had actually existed, would you be sceptical? Do you think that 2,500 years ago you may have given a different answer? Do you think that in another 2,500 years people may believe that Harry Potter was real (or even that Topny Blair was a god)?
It's odd how beliefs come and go. I would bet those who believd in Anu, Isis, Horus, Zeus, Jupiter....never thought it would change.
I don't know if they were good men or if they were bad men
I just know that they put lots of money time resources into building this Temple
to a god or goddess they BELIEVED in
To me when you ask if Jesus was real
I equate to asking was Horus real
Knock yourself out
The people BELIEVED they were real
Jesus has his Temples
just like Horus does
His is Notre Dame in Paris
Was he real? The people who built this Cathedral BELIEVED he was real
If he isn't real then it doesn't stop the fact that they built Notre Dame
If he is real then they built Notre Dame
Notre Dame stands as testimony to what people believed and still do
like the Temple at Karnak
I'm not so sure. I'm not convinced that the 'common person' hasn't always been 'told' what to believe. And you have to divorce the building of the structures, the people who commissioned the buildings, and those who did the work.
If you think of the current religions, these no 'gnosis' ie no one wakes up one morning and thinks '...I now believe in Christ....' without have been taught about Christ. There's no innate awakening, just being told. I went to school and we had RE, I went to Sunday School. I bet if I had been born 2,500 years ago in Egypt, I would have a different understanding. In both cases, I wouldn't have a choice or 'action' about what I learnt. I would have had a certain set of ideas presented to me.
It's the same as the flat world scenario - ie they say that people believed the world was flat. IMHO, no not really. Certain 'learned' people may have believed that, the run of the mill man was too busy trying to eke out a living to care either way. They simply went with the flow and still do.[/quote]
I will right this again Go ahead argue if he existed or not
I don't think you prove anything either way
He existed in history do to the fact that people believed in the oral tradition passed on from family to family
and this is REALLY the amazing truth about the POWER of a Story
It is the lesson of Love one Another and treat one another like you would want to be treated
A lesson not learned even to this day as attested here right now in these times
we were told a Story A Myth A Legend
we are told it when we are a child but then we become adults
You make a decision
In America we fought for the Right of Religious Freedom
In Europe and other countries for centuries people fought wars over religion ...they TOLD you what to believe
or you died. It was used to control people
It is a Religion
Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values. Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories that are intended to give meaning to life or to explain the origin of life or the universe. They tend to derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle from their ideas about the cosmos and human nature.
It is a way of life
The word religion is sometimes used interchangeably with faith or belief system, but religion differs from private belief in that it has a public aspect
Anthropologists John Monoghan and Peter Just state that, "it seems apparent that one thing religion or belief helps us do is deal with problems of human life that are significant, persistent, and intolerable. One important way in which religious beliefs accomplish this is by providing a set of ideas about how and why the world is put together that allows people to accommodate anxieties and deal with misfortune."
Why stop at proving Jesus exists?
while your at it prove God exists
Each person chooses their path
You choose to not belief in his existence
Others belief that he did
You can't prove that he didn't exist as well as if he did
Stories or Myths are very powerful
the Bards of old knew how powerful they were
The Troubadours knew their power
Freemasons know it
Hollywood knows their power
The Bible knows the Power of the Word
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Our eyes are limited in what they see ...you do realize that
Hercules exists up in the sky as a star constellation
Mu Herculis is 27.4 light years from Earth
So I ask you does Hercules exists?
Ptolemy named it
Here he is