Thanks for your thoughts on the wood panels
but then you must see ALL of the panels to get the flow of the artist
Look at the bridegroom and what he looks like and think of your interpretation of it being John ...the young John
and then look at the Last Supper
The Medieval idea of the Holy Grail ...the golden cup which Christ drinks from at the Last Supper
but look at the suppose John...he is feminine now looking with golden reddish hair...joined hands with Jesus over the golden cup
I would argue that the Saint who sits at the table with Jesus is not the one who holds Jesus hand and he holds this Apostles hand ....if it was the they would look the same
this Apostle does not have a halo similar to the rest ....this Apostle is connected to the Golden Cup and closest to Jesus even over Peter
I'd be interested in your ideas
Thank you for posting this. The figure swooning on Jesus bosom is supposed to be John, but I'm not sure how he could have a halo without obscuring a big part of Jesus' face. I think we may be looking at the work of more than one artist working as a team. Notice how Jesus looks kind of like a Klingon in the Cana panel but in the Last Supper his hair is a lighter color, his hairstyle is different and his face more elongated. Some of the differences may also be the result of overpainting.
"lovuianYour Welcome and thanks for your interest
In this Last Supper Judas has a halo. Did you notice? I think this probably indicates that the person who painted the halos didn't do the carving. Another reason the Beloved Disciple didn't get one (IMO) is that the halos aren't 3d but only painted on the "back wall" of every scene, since John isn't near the back wall he does without. I am happy to listen to other explanations.
Also I'm not seeing the "joined hands" thing you describe. It looks to me like Jesus has his right hand raised in benediction, BD has his hand over the chalice (or on Jesus' tummy). I can't see Jesus' left hand. The picture gets a little blurry when I blow it up so maybe I'm missing something.
I'm wondering how old these panels actually are. Does your photographer friend know anything of their history?
I have suspicions they are, compared to the cathedral itself, relatively new.
I think this Last Supper was created by someone familiar with Leonardo's. One of Leonardo's innovations was to create action by giving each disciples individual gestures of frustration, confusion, etc. I seems to me this artist is attempting to do the same thing but is limited by the medium. Judas is seated on the same side of the table with the others as in the Leonardo. And look at all those sandals. There's even a little door at the bottom (although that may be just part of the cathedral's trim).
If this is correct the wood relief can't be older than 1498.
Also, the servant in the Cana panel is black. African servants don't become stock characters in European paintings 'till the 1600s or thereabouts.
In the 1790s the interior of Notre Dame de Paris was damaged by thieves and vandals representing the Cult of Reason. NDP underwent a major
restoration in the 1850s and I'm wondering if any of these panels may have been repaired, replaced or repainted at that time.
Well great observation Father Silence that Judas has a halo
you believe that this is an error by the artist ? I find that hard to believe
Perhaps the Artist thought Judas was a Saint? You know there is the Gospel of Judas
The Gospel of Judas consists of 16 chapters which document Jesus's teaching about spiritual matters and cosmology. Judas is the hero of this Gospel and the only one of Jesus's disciples who accurately understands the words of his master.
It is a fascinating wood panel and I don't know how old it is
And I would love to hear if you find out
The legend of the Holy Grail was known in the 1700's and it is interesting you compare it to Da Vinci because he died in France so the painter maybe influenced
ahh yes you saw the Red door and notice the trim looking like a castle tower
Any way kinda fascinating huh
A red door provides protection. In Biblical times, the Hebrew slaves were instructed to smear blood of a lamb on their front doors to protect their first born from the angel of death. In old Catholicism churches painted the doors of the church red to represent the blood of Christ. Passing through the door would mean that you were on holy ground. Some believe a red door protects the occupants from evil.
I was more impressed by its location than its color. Reminds me of the door cut into the lower part of Leonardo's mural.