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Or the murderer was that precise with the aim of his lance.

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So nobody picked up on my veiled reference to Raymond Llull.

Thought there might be someone out there with a modicum of education outside the envelope. Silly me.

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Ars generalis ultima (Ars Magna)

Around 1275, Llull designed a method, which he first published in full in his Ars generalis ultima or Ars magna ("The Ultimate General Art", published in 1305), of combining religious and philosophical attributes selected from a number of lists. It is believed that Llull's inspiration for the Ars magna came from observing Arab astrologers use a device called a zairja.[citation needed]

It was intended as a debating tool for winning Muslims to the Christian faith through logic and reason. Through his detailed analytical efforts, Llull built an in-depth theological reference by which a reader could enter in an argument or question about the Christian faith. The reader would then turn to the appropriate index and page to find the correct answer.

Llull also invented numerous 'machines' for the purpose. One method is now called the Lullian Circle, each of which consisted of two or more paper discs inscribed with alphabetical letters or symbols that referred to lists of attributes. The discs could be rotated individually to generate a large number of combinations of ideas. A number of terms, or symbols relating to those terms, were laid around the full circumference of the circle. They were then repeated on an inner circle which could be rotated. These combinations were said to show all possible truth about the subject of the circle. Llull based this on the notion that there were a limited number of basic, undeniable truths in all fields of knowledge, and that we could understand everything about these fields of knowledge by studying combinations of these elemental truths.

The method was an early attempt to use logical means to produce knowledge. Llull hoped to show that Christian doctrines could be obtained artificially from a fixed set of preliminary ideas. For example, one of the tables listed the attributes of God: goodness, greatness, eternity, power, wisdom, will, virtue, truth and glory. Llull knew that all believers in the monotheistic religions - whether Jews, Muslims or Christians - would agree with these attributes, giving him a firm platform from which to argue.

The idea was developed further by Giordano Bruno in the 16th century, and by Gottfried Leibniz in the 17th century for investigations into the philosophy of science. Leibniz gave Llull's idea the name ars combinatoria, by which it is now often known. Some computer scientists have adopted Llull as a sort of founding father, claiming that his system of logic was the beginning of information science.


Llull spoke Latin, Catalan and Occitan and lived as a Troubadour.

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This is from his manuscript from the 14th century with the baby Jesus pointing upwards for no apparent reason. Well no apparent reason on this forum that is.

Llull was beatified by Saunière's first Pope

Raimondus (Llull) has been mentioned on here before. By Moi.

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One question which has puzzled many people is why the enneagram has remained hidden for so long, given that it is such a powerful tool. Some will tell you that it was invented by the Sarmoun Brotherhood 2500 years ago....but the "Sarmoun Brotherhood" as described in Gurdjieff's extremely unreliable memoirs is a body of doubtful locality and literalness...I have always supected it was much the same as Gurdjieff's friends the "Seekers After Truth". "Sarmoun" is supposed to mean "Bee", perhaps Gurdjieff was saying something about how knowledge is gathered. Maybe, just a guess, something about it being gathered from scattered sources and transmuted through ones body as part of a collective effort. (And then, maybe it has to do with flowers and hexagons...Alternative spellings are 'Sarmoung','Sarman'.)

If one burrows into the history of Western occultism, one can find an enneagram or two, if not exactly the form used by Gurdjieff. Ramon Lull's Great Art used an enneagram, not of the Fourth Way form, but relatable to it. The points were each connected by lines to every other point, one might argue that Lull's enneagram contains the Fourth Way enneagram. (Lull's Figure A, see link below) And Lull and others also used a "three triangle" enneagram (Figure T); see Webb's book The Harmonious Circle for a brief discussion of this. Especially Lull's Great Art or Ars Magna, though, is very much worth looking up. He used a circle divided into nine with each division associated (among much else) with one or another of the Nine Deadly Sins which are still stressed as the basis of the Personality Enneagram especially in Jesuit usage. The Nine Sins are the familiar Seven plus Inconstancy and Deceit...and we can safely assume that Lull is one source of, at least, the modern Personality Enneagram. He is also referred to as (general Lull link here)Raymond or Raimon or Raimundus Lully or Llul or Lullus .(Here isanother Lull link worth listing separately)

However, on this page I want to look at another form in which the Fourth Way enneagram seems to have been known to (at least) Western occultists. I have called it the "Celtic Enneagram" or more accurately (as it has eight external points) "Celtic Glyph of the Enneagram", because it is among Druids and their friends that it is most publicly found.(You can find it in at least one published source on modern Druidism, although not to my knowledge the insight that it is a version of the Fourth Way enneagram. I got that from oral sources.) I should also mention that the Naqshbandi Idries Shah, in The Commanding Self , 1994 Octagon Press, remarked that the enneagram appeared in "coded form" in European tradition as "two superimposed squares"; which is to say as an eight-pointed or sided figure; with the ninth point represented as a "space in the middle". I take this as confirmation of material I first encountered before Shah's brief remarks on this head were published.

In internal structure the Celtic Enneagram is the same as the Fourth Way enneagram, although it emphasises different relationships.


Here's the Celtic Enneagram

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Look familiar does it?

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At the bottom of Our Lady of Lourdes in Saunière's garden.

Or

DOUBLE ENTENDE

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THE SULPICIANS

Under the Auspice of Mary?

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"Papus says that the symbol is a conjunction of the monogram of Mary and the name of the Angel Anael (and not the word "auspice"). Anael is a female angel high up in the angelic hierarchy, and is the "Guardian Angel of Friday".

Friday was the day ruled by the planet Venus, the Ultimate Female. This day had been used for various Sexual Rites since ancient times, either for procreation or recreation, because after it came Saturday, the day of rest. Manifestations of such sexual release can take on the form of the "evil" Astarte, or the "good" Anael, depending on one’s beliefs and circumstances.

The "Auspice Maria" symbol used by the Sulpicians today testifies to their commitment to have "good sex", according to the Christian doctrines to which they are heirs. They appear to be making a symbolic statement that they have overpowered the “baser” forms of carnal sex, which the original pagan rites of Astarte are said to have involved.

But the ancient associations and meanings of this symbol, as explained by Vogt, show that the Sulpicians may be carrying a legacy much more ancient than this strictly dualistic approach. This symbol has several embodiments of the alchemical “union of opposites”, an ancient doctrine which accepts a syncretism of conflicting views, a harmony as opposed to a never-ending conflict between Good and Evil.

In the ancient world this approach was made understandable to the common man in the form of “Sexual Magic”, and as noted, that is the deeper meaning behind the symbol in question. Whether any of the Sulpicians today still remember or even care what the symbol originally meant, is a different question. But many serious researchers of this field lead us to believe that at least some of the members do. This curious graffiti from Spain can teach us a great deal about our connection to ancient mysteries."


Astarte is of course listed in the Ras Shamra scrolls as the consort of El Shaddai - The God of Abraham.

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There is the fact that some believe the Centuries were written by Yves de Lessines, ......

Yes, a fact THAT some believe.
But what they believe is STILL NOT a fact.
I`ve read Rudy Cambier's book. He never mentions any source for what he BELIEVES.


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Pour les profanes, cet ensemble de traits n'est que le sigle abréviatif du nom de la Vierge, Maria réduit aux lettres, superposées, le ses deux extrémités. Durant les XVIII et XIXe siècles on le traduisit même par Ave Maria.

Ici nous avons, j'ose croire, la preuve que le même carme, auteur des graffites qui sont le sujet de ce mémoire voyait, dans M et A superposés, la fameuse syllabe sacrée de l'Asie centrale, l'AVM ou OM. En effet si l'on décompose le monogramme en question on y peut trouver les trois lettres A,V,M qui, réunis donnent aum.

Le monosyllabe aum est un synthétique qui correspond, chez les Hindous, aux trois aspects du Verbe divin du qui toutes choses ont leur commencement (aspect producteur, Brahmâ = A), leur support (aspect conservateur, Vishnou = V), et leur fin (aspect transformateur, Siva = M); ce qui met en action les trois personnes de la Trimurti hindoue, laquelle, comme on sait, ne correspond pas a la conception trinitaire chrétienne.

Souvent dans l'Inde le OM est inscrit au centre du double triangle qui eut jadis, selon les pays et les cultes des sens divers.

La prononciation latine de l'AVM, ou aum, n'est près d'origine orientale, mais elle décèle, en quelque sorte, une des raisons symboliques qui ont porté certains écoles hermétiques d'Occident, au Moyen âge, à donner au sigle M et A superposés le même sens qu'au sigle Alpha et Omega, pris pour l'emblème du Christ principe et fin de toutes choses ; c'est que l'énonciation des deux syllabes unies, a-oum, se fait par l'ouverture et la fermeture de la bouche. Cette remarque pourrait paraître puérile si l'on ne savait la grande importance que les anciens hermétistes attachaient à tout ce qui concerne l'émission du verbe.

Dans la série des graffites carmélitains de Loudun ca me semble exprimer que son auteur à, très intentionnellement et nettement, voulu séparer, ou plutôt rendre distinctes les unes des autres, autant qu'il est possible dans un monogramme, les trois lettres A,V,M.

Par les voies de l'hermétisme chrétien et en se servant ainsi d'un sigle tout à la fois d'origine asiatique et, d'autre part, d'interprétation vulgaire en Occident, l'auteur traçait en même temps un emblème du Christ, principe et fin de tout, et un emblème du nom de la Vierge, mère du Christ.

Je rapproche de ce graffite la marque commerciale de l'imprimeur parisien Antoine de la Barre, contemporain sans doute des graffites en question, sur laquelle un monogramme marial semble aussi exprimer l'intention de détacher les lettres A,V,M.

On sait que les Carmes ont toujours eu grand zèle pour le cult de la Vierge, et nombre de leurs monastères prirent comme chiffre héraldique les lettres M et A superposé, bien que les armoires générales de l'Ordre fussent de sable chapé d'argent a trois étoiles de l'un en l'autre, deux en chef et une en pointe. A la révision de l'Armorial Général de 1696, le monastère des Carmes de Loudun fit enregistrer, comme blason officiel, d'argent aux deux lettres M et A entrelacées de sable, couronnées d'or et accompagnées en pointe d'un coeur percé de trois clous de sable .Dans l'héraldique mystique en usage depuis le milieu du XVe siècle, les trois clous dans un coeur humain symbolisaient les trois voeux monastiques de Pauvreté, Chasteté et Obéissance.

On retrouve ce même sigle, A et M superposés, comme élément constitutif du grand collier de l'ordre de chevalerie de N. D. du Mont Carmel, réuni à celui de St. Lazare, ainsi qu'on peut le voir, notamment sur le tableau de Rigault représentant le marquis de Dangeau, grand maître de ces ordres sous Louis XIV.


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Pour les profanes, cet ensemble de traits n'est que le sigle abréviatif du nom de la Vierge, Maria réduit aux lettres, superposées, le ses deux extrémités. Durant les XVIII et XIXe siècles on le traduisit même par Ave Maria.

Ici nous avons, j'ose croire, la preuve que le même carme, auteur des graffites qui sont le sujet de ce mémoire voyait, dans M et A superposés, la fameuse syllabe sacrée de l'Asie centrale, l'AVM ou OM. En effet si l'on décompose le monogramme en question on y peut trouver les trois lettres A,V,M qui, réunis donnent aum.

Le monosyllabe aum est un synthétique qui correspond, chez les Hindous, aux trois aspects du Verbe divin du qui toutes choses ont leur commencement (aspect producteur, Brahmâ = A), leur support (aspect conservateur, Vishnou = V), et leur fin (aspect transformateur, Siva = M); ce qui met en action les trois personnes de la Trimurti hindoue, laquelle, comme on sait, ne correspond pas a la conception trinitaire chrétienne.

Souvent dans l'Inde le OM est inscrit au centre du double triangle qui eut jadis, selon les pays et les cultes des sens divers.

La prononciation latine de l'AVM, ou aum, n'est près d'origine orientale, mais elle décèle, en quelque sorte, une des raisons symboliques qui ont porté certains écoles hermétiques d'Occident, au Moyen âge, à donner au sigle M et A superposés le même sens qu'au sigle Alpha et Omega, pris pour l'emblème du Christ principe et fin de toutes choses ; c'est que l'énonciation des deux syllabes unies, a-oum, se fait par l'ouverture et la fermeture de la bouche. Cette remarque pourrait paraître puérile si l'on ne savait la grande importance que les anciens hermétistes attachaient à tout ce qui concerne l'émission du verbe.

Dans la série des graffites carmélitains de Loudun ca me semble exprimer que son auteur à, très intentionnellement et nettement, voulu séparer, ou plutôt rendre distinctes les unes des autres, autant qu'il est possible dans un monogramme, les trois lettres A,V,M.

Par les voies de l'hermétisme chrétien et en se servant ainsi d'un sigle tout à la fois d'origine asiatique et, d'autre part, d'interprétation vulgaire en Occident, l'auteur traçait en même temps un emblème du Christ, principe et fin de tout, et un emblème du nom de la Vierge, mère du Christ.

Je rapproche de ce graffite la marque commerciale de l'imprimeur parisien Antoine de la Barre, contemporain sans doute des graffites en question, sur laquelle un monogramme marial semble aussi exprimer l'intention de détacher les lettres A,V,M.

On sait que les Carmes ont toujours eu grand zèle pour le cult de la Vierge, et nombre de leurs monastères prirent comme chiffre héraldique les lettres M et A superposé, bien que les armoires générales de l'Ordre fussent de sable chapé d'argent a trois étoiles de l'un en l'autre, deux en chef et une en pointe. A la révision de l'Armorial Général de 1696, le monastère des Carmes de Loudun fit enregistrer, comme blason officiel, d'argent aux deux lettres M et A entrelacées de sable, couronnées d'or et accompagnées en pointe d'un coeur percé de trois clous de sable .Dans l'héraldique mystique en usage depuis le milieu du XVe siècle, les trois clous dans un coeur humain symbolisaient les trois voeux monastiques de Pauvreté, Chasteté et Obéissance.

On retrouve ce même sigle, A et M superposés, comme élément constitutif du grand collier de l'ordre de chevalerie de N. D. du Mont Carmel, réuni à celui de St. Lazare, ainsi qu'on peut le voir, notamment sur le tableau de Rigault représentant le marquis de Dangeau, grand maître de ces ordres sous Louis XIV.


Yes yes yes very nice very pretty Thanks for some unnamed (and uninformed) entity's OPINION.

BUT

THIS

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IS THE CELTIC ENNEAGRAM

And that is the end of it.

Now this is a geometry thread and YOU don't like geometry so

Please take your wilfull ignorance away and go play in the street.

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Pour les profanes, cet ensemble de traits n'est que le sigle abréviatif du nom de la Vierge, Maria réduit aux lettres, superposées, le ses deux extrémités. Durant les XVIII et XIXe siècles on le traduisit même par Ave Maria.

Ici nous avons, j'ose croire, la preuve que le même carme, auteur des graffites qui sont le sujet de ce mémoire voyait, dans M et A superposés, la fameuse syllabe sacrée de l'Asie centrale, l'AVM ou OM. En effet si l'on décompose le monogramme en question on y peut trouver les trois lettres A,V,M qui, réunis donnent aum.

Le monosyllabe aum est un synthétique qui correspond, chez les Hindous, aux trois aspects du Verbe divin du qui toutes choses ont leur commencement (aspect producteur, Brahmâ = A), leur support (aspect conservateur, Vishnou = V), et leur fin (aspect transformateur, Siva = M); ce qui met en action les trois personnes de la Trimurti hindoue, laquelle, comme on sait, ne correspond pas a la conception trinitaire chrétienne.

Souvent dans l'Inde le OM est inscrit au centre du double triangle qui eut jadis, selon les pays et les cultes des sens divers.

La prononciation latine de l'AVM, ou aum, n'est près d'origine orientale, mais elle décèle, en quelque sorte, une des raisons symboliques qui ont porté certains écoles hermétiques d'Occident, au Moyen âge, à donner au sigle M et A superposés le même sens qu'au sigle Alpha et Omega, pris pour l'emblème du Christ principe et fin de toutes choses ; c'est que l'énonciation des deux syllabes unies, a-oum, se fait par l'ouverture et la fermeture de la bouche. Cette remarque pourrait paraître puérile si l'on ne savait la grande importance que les anciens hermétistes attachaient à tout ce qui concerne l'émission du verbe.

Dans la série des graffites carmélitains de Loudun ca me semble exprimer que son auteur à, très intentionnellement et nettement, voulu séparer, ou plutôt rendre distinctes les unes des autres, autant qu'il est possible dans un monogramme, les trois lettres A,V,M.

Par les voies de l'hermétisme chrétien et en se servant ainsi d'un sigle tout à la fois d'origine asiatique et, d'autre part, d'interprétation vulgaire en Occident, l'auteur traçait en même temps un emblème du Christ, principe et fin de tout, et un emblème du nom de la Vierge, mère du Christ.

Je rapproche de ce graffite la marque commerciale de l'imprimeur parisien Antoine de la Barre, contemporain sans doute des graffites en question, sur laquelle un monogramme marial semble aussi exprimer l'intention de détacher les lettres A,V,M.

On sait que les Carmes ont toujours eu grand zèle pour le cult de la Vierge, et nombre de leurs monastères prirent comme chiffre héraldique les lettres M et A superposé, bien que les armoires générales de l'Ordre fussent de sable chapé d'argent a trois étoiles de l'un en l'autre, deux en chef et une en pointe. A la révision de l'Armorial Général de 1696, le monastère des Carmes de Loudun fit enregistrer, comme blason officiel, d'argent aux deux lettres M et A entrelacées de sable, couronnées d'or et accompagnées en pointe d'un coeur percé de trois clous de sable .Dans l'héraldique mystique en usage depuis le milieu du XVe siècle, les trois clous dans un coeur humain symbolisaient les trois voeux monastiques de Pauvreté, Chasteté et Obéissance.

On retrouve ce même sigle, A et M superposés, comme élément constitutif du grand collier de l'ordre de chevalerie de N. D. du Mont Carmel, réuni à celui de St. Lazare, ainsi qu'on peut le voir, notamment sur le tableau de Rigault représentant le marquis de Dangeau, grand maître de ces ordres sous Louis XIV.


Thanks Sheila, I don't remember catching this the first time around, so it's good you reposted.

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So nobody picked up on my veiled reference to Raymond Llull.

Thought there might be someone out there with a modicum of education outside the envelope. Silly me.


I did. Just figured it was another tangent.

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Revisionisme a l'Americaine! Gabriel de Lorges n'etait pas du tout un assassin!
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Not my own hypothesis, actually, and it originated in France. By Frenchmen.

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So nobody picked up on my veiled reference to Raymond Llull.

Thought there might be someone out there with a modicum of education outside the envelope. Silly me.


I did. Just figured it was another tangent.

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Llull inspired Nicolas Poussin's - Shadow box. It provides accurate visual feedback on designing 3 dimensional objects on a 2 dimensional plane.

I think Roscoe is arguing for the evolution of the Pythagorean mystery school down through the ages from Plato, Vitrivius, Bruno etc, etc... to the landscape of RLC

i.e. geometrical and architectural secrets.

basically he's trying to understand the art of measurement - I don't know if it's secret but on the other hand some of it is just incredibly boring enough that people aren't really going to spend much energy founding out it's hidden history.

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Hello,

With a lot of technical assistance, I have managed to be able to post the images that create the design in Poussin's Portrait.

As with the Shepherd's of Arcadia encryption of the 'Key' design, where the evidence of probability was offered that the existance of the design requiring the specific location of all the major aspects of the painting (the staffs, pointing fingers, eye-lines), so did Poussin specifically layout his self Portrait.

The use of the half exposed female character, and her 'All-Seeing-Eye' Crown, the curious positioning of Poussin's Ring, and importantly, the use of EVERY corner created by the canvases around Poussin (just as the staffs were needed in the Shepherds of Arcadia), is how the design is created and confirmed.


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Sorry, was requested to post this. Leaving you in peace.

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BM,

What's the point of all this triangulation?

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There's no doubt in my mind now and it's beyond arguing.
High Renaissance painters were often keen to use geometry for balance and eye-flow.
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TCP wrote:
Tertius wrote:
Revisionisme a l'Americaine! Gabriel de Lorges n'etait pas du tout un assassin!
Les insinuations titillent les cons, mais les preuves sont lentes a venir!


Not my own hypothesis, actually, and it originated in France. By Frenchmen.

TCP


J'en doute enormement. Tout le monde sait que les lances de joutes etaient mouchetees comme les lames d'escrime, justement pour rendre impossible la penetration de la cuirasse dans l'aisselle ou au cou sous le heaume et evidemment dans la cage meme de la visiere du heaume. Ce n'est que parceque la lance s'est brisee en echardes que le heaume du Roi fut penetre.

De toute evidence un accident pour tout le monde sauf pour les partisans du complot et la pauvre Medicis.


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J'en doute enormement. Tout le monde sait que les lances de joutes etaient mouchetees comme les lames d'escrime, justement pour rendre impossible la penetration de la cuirasse dans l'aisselle ou au cou sous le heaume et evidemment dans la cage meme de la visiere du heaume. Ce n'est que parceque la lance s'est brisee en echardes que le heaume du Roi fut penetre.

De toute evidence un accident pour tout le monde sauf pour les partisans du complot et la pauvre Medicis.




Maybe.

Perhaps he lifted his visor to take a proper breath.

It seemed to have been the downfall of my namesake Henry Percy.

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What's the point of all this triangulation?


There are two self portraits painted by Nicolas Poussin - I think what is being suggested is that they are both indicators of his initiation into a specific style of painting that emphasises the ancient mystery schools that centred around Geometry.

The painting that is being presented is the second of the two and may represent his graduation piece showcasing his ability to use the "key" as defined by "the time monk project".

In ancient Egypt and Greece there were Cordeliers that used ropes to measure.

When Duncan says there are pin pricks on the painting - I assume he was implying that the ancient method of cords being wrapped around pegs to measure out "boundaries" whether in paintings or on land indicates that pins were used in lieu of pegs but the same methodology applied.

The cords around St Anthony the Hermit being representative of the hidden practice.

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rain wrote:

I think Roscoe is arguing for the evolution of the Pythagorean mystery school down through the ages from Plato, Vitrivius, Bruno etc, etc... to the landscape of RLC

i.e. geometrical and architectural secrets.

basically he's trying to understand the art of measurement - I don't know if it's secret but on the other hand some of it is just incredibly boring enough that people aren't really going to spend much energy founding out it's hidden history.


Pythagoras? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Do us all a favour.

Stop trying to think and go make the tea or something.

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PostPosted: 03 Apr 2012 4:49 am 
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Hello,

With a lot of technical assistance, I have managed to be able to post the images that create the design in Poussin's Portrait.

As with the Shepherd's of Arcadia encryption of the 'Key' design, where the evidence of probability was offered that the existance of the design requiring the specific location of all the major aspects of the painting (the staffs, pointing fingers, eye-lines), so did Poussin specifically layout his self Portrait.

The use of the half exposed female character, and her 'All-Seeing-Eye' Crown, the curious positioning of Poussin's Ring, and importantly, the use of EVERY corner created by the canvases around Poussin (just as the staffs were needed in the Shepherds of Arcadia), is how the design is created and confirmed.


http://www.andrewgough.co.uk/images/3DB.JPG

http://www.andrewgough.co.uk/images/4DB.JPG

http://www.andrewgough.co.uk/images/5DB.JPG

http://www.andrewgough.co.uk/images/6DB.JPG

http://www.andrewgough.co.uk/images/7DB.JPG

http://www.andrewgough.co.uk/images/8DB.JPG

]http://www.andrewgough.co.uk/images/9DB.JPG

]http://www.andrewgough.co.uk/images/10DB.JPG

http://www.andrewgough.co.uk/images/11DB.JPG

http://www.andrewgough.co.uk/images/12DB.JPG

http://www.andrewgough.co.uk/images/13DB.JPG

http://www.andrewgough.co.uk/images/14DB.JPG

http://www.andrewgough.co.uk/images/15DB.JPG

http://www.andrewgough.co.uk/images/16DB.JPG

http://www.andrewgough.co.uk/images/17DB.JPG

http://www.andrewgough.co.uk/images/18DB.JPG

http://www.andrewgough.co.uk/images/19DB.JPG

http://www.andrewgough.co.uk/images/20DB.JPG

http://www.andrewgough.co.uk/images/21DB.JPG



Sorry, was requested to post this. Leaving you in peace.



You just needed to stop here

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You've already got the correct angle for the equilateral triangle.

The line in blue is 23.4 degrees from the horizontal. i.e. The tilt angle of the earth. or if you like 90 - 23.4 = 66.6 degrees

You now need to insert Plato's Canted Square. Sometimes known as Serpent Geometry because when finished it resembles the pattern on the back of a Rattlesnake.

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Here is a page from the Ars Magna
http://lullianarts.net/miniatures/mini/BREV05E.HTM

Notice the TOWER and this page is all about science and its connection with Christianity

the ladder is interesting

Llull's Ars Magna was read with interest by Gottfried Leibniz, and inspired his Calculus Ratiocinator. Certain computer scientists now recognize in Llull's system the beginnings of their own discipline.

http://lullianarts.net/miniatures/mini/BREV12.HTM
the one who receives Lulls book is a Woman ...the Queen of Navarre
it isn't a man

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Pythagoras? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Do us all a favour.

Stop trying to think and go make the tea or something.


I didn't say you knew what your were doing, just that you following a course that has already been outlined in books. And we know how you struggle to read and remember those things.

BTW one of the most fundamental rules of applying measurement are the meridian lines. You keep asking the question why is there a Verte line - why the Dunkirk - Barcelona line.

Quite simply and I know you don't understand this but the standards are different for them both. France and the U.S. was supposed to adopt the metric system but failed to after Greenwich was assigned the zero meridian.

And where were standards originally kept and by whom? I'll you work that out dumb-bum since you're so smart..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Poussin was from a poor family, his father had been a soldier, and he received most of his early professional training at home. The story is that during this period Poussin wandered around France plying his trade as a painter but nothing remains of his work from this period. At the recommendation of Varin, Poussin left for Paris in 1612 where he entered the workshop of the mannerist painter J. Lallemald. His training was enhanced by independent study of Italian art from the Royal Collections. By the end of the first decade of the 17th century Poussin became a master in his own right and received commissions for the decoration of the Palais du Luxembourg in Paris, and the altarpiece Assumption of the Virgin. From this period of his Paris period (1612-23) only his drawings based on Ovid’s Metamorphosis have survived. In 1622 Poussin was eventually commissioned by the Jesuits to do a painting in a Notre Dame chapel and as a result he came to the attention of Giambattista Marino, the celebrated Italian poet then at the Tuscan court of Marie de Medici (French name MARI DE MEDISIS, she who started the Champs Elysees). Giambattista Marino was the author of the epic poem “L'Adone” which was dedicated to the young King Louis XIII. Marino was from Calabria and had been greatly inflenced by the polymath and scientist Giambattista Della Porta who had written Magiae Naturalis (Natural Magic) and in this book he had covered a variety of the subjects that he had investigated, including the study of: occult philosophy, astrology, alchemy, mathematics, meteorology, and natural philosophy. Another subject that he was famous for had been cryptography about which a collector of cryptographic historical documents Charles J. Mendelsohn commented:

“He [Della Porta] was, in my opinion, the outstanding cryptographer of the Renaissance. Some unknown who worked in a hidden room behind closed doors may possibly have surpassed him in general grasp of the subject, but among those whose work can be studied he towers like a giant.”

Giambattista Della Porta described the first known digraphic substitution cipher which foreshadowed the concept of polyalphabetic substitution cipher which the Vigenère cipher used in the Shepherdess Parchment the only thing which introduces Poussin to the Rennes le Chateau story.

Marino had also followed the philosophy of the heretics Giordano Bruno, best known as a proponent of the heliocentric theory , and Tommaso Campanella who was also from Calabria.

Campanella, a Rosicrucian, had claimed that he could:

“Make a city in such a wonderful way that only by looking at it all of the sciences could be learned”

He called this

THE CITY OF THE SUN


Oh and for rain

Pythagoras spent some time in Calabria, almongst other places.

Not forgetting the monks at Orval.

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rain wrote:
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Pythagoras? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Do us all a favour.

Stop trying to think and go make the tea or something.


BTW one of the most fundamental rules of applying measurement are the meridian lines. You keep asking the question why is there a Verte line - why the Dunkirk - Barcelona line.

Quite simply and I know you don't understand this but the standards are different for them both. France and the U.S. was supposed to adopt the metric system but failed to after Greenwich was assigned the zero meridian.



Gosh! Is that so and did you know that when it rains you can sometimes get wet.

Here's a bit of info for you.

The French got the metre wrong and they kept it secret for 200 years the astronomer who discovered the error also measured the size of the earth from Soularac. Nowt to do with what we are talking about here but you like that kind of thing of taking over every thread.

And here have some of this:

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Now run along and oh, no sugar in mine please.

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De tripici minimo et mensura by Giordano Bruno - burned as a heretic.

Charges


1 - denies transubstantiation of bread and meat in the value of the mass.

2 - denies the Trinity subordinationism adhering to Arius.

3 - denies the virginity of Mary.

4 - denies the divinity of Christ.

5 - denies the cult of saints.

6 - states that Jesus sinned when praying in the garden, refused the Father's will.

7 - says that Christ was not crucified but hanged.

8 - denies hell and eternal punishment because all will be saved.

9 - states that Cain was right to kill Abel, as the executioner of animals.

10 - denies the prophets who are just cunning profiteers.

11 - states that Moses was a magician better than those of the pharaoh and the Sinai, and pretended that he constructed the tables of the law.

12 - denies the dogmas of the Church.

13 - claims to be a blasphemer blasphemous.

14 - said that if forced to return Friar will send air the monastery.

15 - said they have opinions adverse to the Holy Faith and his ministers.

16 - say they believe in the transmigration of souls.

17 - said they deal with divination and magic.

18 - said they indulge in sinful flesh.

19 - stayed heretics in countries experiencing their way.

20 - spoke with contempt of the Breviary.

21 - says contempt for relics.

22 - says the stupidity of the worship of images.

23 - denies the adoration of the Magi.

24 - has mocked the Pope

25 - asserts the existence of multiple worlds and their eternity and is a convinced Copernican.

26 - denies the Incarnation.

27 - says that man is generated from organic decomposition.

28 - denies the usefulness of penance.

29 - says that God has so much need of the world as God's world

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roscoe wrote:

The line in blue is 23.4 degrees from the horizontal. i.e. The tilt angle of the earth. or if you like 90 - 23.4 = 66.6 degrees




Roscoe, while you were busy hopping into Rain, you neglected to check your measurements.

The angle in question is more like 15d to the horizontal and not 23.5d.

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... looks like Poussin being behind bars - in jail. :lol:


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