The Dreamer of the Vine

Pilrig · **Posted:** 09 Dec 2011 10:14 pm

rs2008 wrote:

Silly me, I thought the Templar Knights were devout men who defended pilgrims and weaker beings from harm, and the cusades were to liberate the Holy Land from the saracens.

"Almost every time there's a mystery in the Middle Ages you'll find the Templars galloping on to the scene. Turin Shroud ? Oh, it's the Templars ! Rennes-le-Chateau ? It's the Templars ! They're a sort of Jack-in-the-box, popping up every time there is a mystery that cannot be solved. The poor old Templars weren't like that of course"

- Jonathan Riley-Smith.

rs2008 · **Posted:** 10 Dec 2011 12:24 am

And not just the Middle Ages....sheeesh.....I'm waiting for the announcement of a Templar Republican candidate in the US.... :wink:

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

rs2008 wrote:

And not just the Middle Ages....sheeesh.....I'm waiting for the announcement of a Templar Republican candidate in the US.... :wink:

http://www.thedailypeekskill.com/neighbors/five-questions-republican-joe-brady

And don't forget the drug trade...

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=751222&publicationSubCategoryId=200

Pilrig · **Posted:** 10 Dec 2011 6:16 pm

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

rs2008 wrote:

And not just the Middle Ages....sheeesh.....I'm waiting for the announcement of a Templar Republican candidate in the US.... :wink:

http://www.thedailypeekskill.com/neighbors/five-questions-republican-joe-brady

And don't forget the drug trade...

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=751222&publicationSubCategoryId=200

He's in the AOH as well I see. Take away the 'Ancient Order' bit and they've got it right !

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Pilrig wrote:

Quote:

He's in the AOH as well I see. Take away the 'Ancient Order' bit and they've got it right !

Just need a La Rochelle link...

Caelum · **Posted:** 10 Dec 2011 8:11 pm

rs2008 wrote:

And not just the Middle Ages....sheeesh.....I'm waiting for the announcement of a Templar Republican candidate in the US.... :wink:

There are already two Mormon candidates and Mormon historians can accommodate pretty much any group in their history...

rs2008 · **Posted:** 11 Dec 2011 11:57 pm

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Pilrig wrote:

Quote:

He's in the AOH as well I see. Take away the 'Ancient Order' bit and they've got it right !

Just need a La Rochelle link...

wayward · **Posted:** 12 Dec 2011 10:03 am

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Pilrig wrote:

Quote:

He's in the AOH as well I see. Take away the 'Ancient Order' bit and they've got it right !

Just need a La Rochelle link...

Hey Sparty, are you speaking of the same La Rochelle that was controlled by the Templars from 1139 til 1307?

Serendipity · **Joined:** 20 May 2008 3:32 pm **Posts:** 2894

The Queen of the World was once the city of Merv/Mary.

The inhabitants of the city worshipped only one diety: a Goddess (The black madonna?)

Acheological finds at the site show the serpent was a well used icon, although never associated with the goddess. The serpent was the offspring of the dragon (slain time and again by the christian saints).

Merv, and its inhabitants are mentioned in the Rigveda, which tells the story of incredible wars with 'modern' technology. Could it be possible, that whatever the cristae was or is, is a weapon from the wars of the Rigveda?

I believe the answer to many questions are in Merv.....

TCP · **Posted:** 31 Dec 2011 6:58 pm

rs2008 wrote:

And not just the Middle Ages....sheeesh.....I'm waiting for the announcement of a Templar Republican candidate in the US.... :wink:

Rick Santorum. Ardent Catholic who can't seem to overcome his obsessive fascination with male to male buggery.

TCP

Caelum · **Posted:** 31 Dec 2011 10:16 pm

Serendipity wrote:

...I believe the answer to many questions are in Merv.....

Ah, yes...fabled City of the Griffin...

Pilrig · **Posted:** 31 Mar 2012 11:31 am

Well I finally read Dreamer of the Vine only three decades late :roll:

. I agree with Richard's opening threads about the quality of the writing. And also that the second half of the novel lacks the optimism if you like of the first. But the latter concentrates on the era of France's Wars of Religion.
Many of the themes and characters were later introduced to wider audience two years later with HBHG. What is striking (and what shocks Nostrodamus in the novel) is the introduction of the sangraal and it's Merovingian connection. The timing is interesting: two years as I said before HBHG ( as everyone is aware of the sibling relationship of Liz Greene and Richard Leigh), and published a year after the broadcasting of the Shadow of the Templars . The latter introduced the PoS claims and featured the interview with Plantard maintaining his descent from the Merovingians. It is interesting to speculate that while the proto-HBHG team were writing and researching Shadow of the Templars (and HL interviewing Plantard for the Beeb) , that the thought had already occurred to them of a sacred bloodline of the Merovingians/Plantards.

BTW according to the novel the Guises (amongst others) were of the sacred bloodline, the current monarch of Great Britain is a descendant of Mary of Guise, wife of James V, King of Scots......and according to the late 'Sir' Laurence Gardner, her grandsons Wills and Harry are of the Bloodline too via their late mother. :wink:

Pilrig · **Posted:** 31 Mar 2012 11:55 am

BTW the novel ends with a verse:

This cup, this graal...
I have drunk, tout d'une baleine.
She has waited for me for a long time.

According to my English-French dictionary 'baleine' is a whale.

Really ?

TCP · **Posted:** 31 Mar 2012 4:01 pm

Pilrig wrote:

Many of the themes and characters were later introduced to wider audience two years later with HBHG. What is striking (and what shocks Nostrodamus in the novel) is the introduction of the sangraal and it's Merovingian connection. The timing is interesting: two years as I said before HBHG ( as everyone is aware of the sibling relationship of Liz Greene and Richard Leigh), and published a year after the broadcasting of the Shadow of the Templars . The latter introduced the PoS claims and featured the interview with Plantard maintaining his descent from the Merovingians. It is interesting to speculate that while the proto-HBHG team were writing and researching Shadow of the Templars (and HL interviewing Plantard for the Beeb) , that the thought had already occurred to them of a sacred bloodline of the Merovingians/Plantards.

Given the timing, the orchestration seems obvious - they were creating a backstory for HBHG.

Pilrig wrote:

BTW according to the novel the Guises (amongst others) were of the sacred bloodline, the current monarch of Great Britain is a descendant of Mary of Guise, wife of James V, King of Scots......and according to the late 'Sir' Laurence Gardner, her grandsons Wills and Harry are of the Bloodline too via their late mother. :wink:

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Given that the Guises were nothing more than a cadet branch of the House of Lorraine, Gardner's "bloodline" encompasses all of Europe's ruling and formerly ruling dynasties. I've always found it odd that Gardner would single Mary of Guise out for special consideration.

TCP

lovuian · **Posted:** 31 Mar 2012 7:51 pm

Pilrig wrote:

Well I finally read Dreamer of the Vine only three decades late :roll:

. I agree with Richard's opening threads about the quality of the writing. And also that the second half of the novel lacks the optimism if you like of the first. But the latter concentrates on the era of France's Wars of Religion.
Many of the themes and characters were later introduced to wider audience two years later with HBHG. What is striking (and what shocks Nostrodamus in the novel) is the introduction of the sangraal and it's Merovingian connection. The timing is interesting: two years as I said before HBHG ( as everyone is aware of the sibling relationship of Liz Greene and Richard Leigh), and published a year after the broadcasting of the Shadow of the Templars . The latter introduced the PoS claims and featured the interview with Plantard maintaining his descent from the Merovingians. It is interesting to speculate that while the proto-HBHG team were writing and researching Shadow of the Templars (and HL interviewing Plantard for the Beeb) , that the thought had already occurred to them of a sacred bloodline of the Merovingians/Plantards.

BTW according to the novel the Guises (amongst others) were of the sacred bloodline, the current monarch of Great Britain is a descendant of Mary of Guise, wife of James V, King of Scots......and according to the late 'Sir' Laurence Gardner, her grandsons Wills and Harry are of the Bloodline too via their late mother. :wink:

well it makes Diana Spencer a special Queen placed on the chess board

TCP · **Posted:** 01 Apr 2012 1:34 am

lovuian wrote:

well it makes Diana Spencer a special Queen placed on the chess board

Why her?

TCP

rain · **Posted:** 01 Apr 2012 2:29 am

TCP wrote:

lovuian wrote:

well it makes Diana Spencer a special Queen placed on the chess board

Why her?

TCP

It's a conspiracy theory - she was supposedly assassinated because she was a merovingian, blah, blah, blah.

TCP · **Posted:** 01 Apr 2012 2:56 am

rain wrote:

TCP wrote:

lovuian wrote:

well it makes Diana Spencer a special Queen placed on the chess board

Why her?

TCP

It's a conspiracy theory - she was supposedly assassinated because she was a merovingian, blah, blah, blah.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Do you suppose that the fog will ever clear and Lov will come to understand that pretty much anyone with European ancestry has a Merovingian is their genealogical woodpile? Sometimes you have to let all the mystery out before the balloon deflates.

TCP

rain · **Posted:** 01 Apr 2012 3:33 am

TCP wrote:

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Do you suppose that the fog will ever clear and Lov will come to understand that pretty much anyone with European ancestry has a Merovingian is their genealogical woodpile? Sometimes you have to let all the mystery out before the balloon deflates.

TCP

If I can learn it, I'm sure so can Lovuian. DNA was one of the questions on our equivalence to your SAT's so I guess it's expected that you learn about at High School level.

TCJ · **Joined:** 22 Sep 2008 3:15 pm **Posts:** 1566

Origin:

Quote:

Princess Diana: The Hidden Evidence
Author: John King and John Beveridge
Publisher: SPI Books
The alleged hidden evidence, hinting towards murder
By Kevin McClure

May 2002

King and Beveridge published the newsstand UFO Reality, perhaps the most credulous of the UK ‘abduction’ magazines. They were often informed by nameless or unnameable sources or, worse, non-professional hypnotic regression. I could never tell who had made up what, or decide just where they belonged on the chain of gullibility at the end of which we readers frequently find ourselves.

The theme of this book is that Princess Diana was murdered, by or on behalf of MI6 and the CIA. Most of the theories surrounding the actual death you’ll have heard before: the authors simply provide extra, and odder, motives. We hear that Diana had been chosen to marry into the Royal Family because she, as a Spencer, was of the ‘grail bloodline’, and could improve the family as breeding stock. Divorced from Charles and intending to marry a Muslim, she simply had to die.

http://www.forteantimes.com/reviews/boo ... dence.html

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6956

Pilrig wrote:

Well I finally read Dreamer of the Vine only three decades late :roll:

. I agree with Richard's opening threads about the quality of the writing. And also that the second half of the novel lacks the optimism if you like of the first. But the latter concentrates on the era of France's Wars of Religion.
Many of the themes and characters were later introduced to wider audience two years later with HBHG. What is striking (and what shocks Nostrodamus in the novel) is the introduction of the sangraal and it's Merovingian connection. The timing is interesting: two years as I said before HBHG ( as everyone is aware of the sibling relationship of Liz Greene and Richard Leigh), and published a year after the broadcasting of the Shadow of the Templars . The latter introduced the PoS claims and featured the interview with Plantard maintaining his descent from the Merovingians. It is interesting to speculate that while the proto-HBHG team were writing and researching Shadow of the Templars (and HL interviewing Plantard for the Beeb) , that the thought had already occurred to them of a sacred bloodline of the Merovingians/Plantards.

BTW according to the novel the Guises (amongst others) were of the sacred bloodline, the current monarch of Great Britain is a descendant of Mary of Guise, wife of James V, King of Scots......and according to the late 'Sir' Laurence Gardner, her grandsons Wills and Harry are of the Bloodline too via their late mother. :wink:

You have to remember of course that Liz Green the author was in fact the sister of Richard Leigh and the girlfriend of Michael Baigent at the time. A good deal of the HBHG research was being passed over to her.

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6956

TCJ wrote:

Origin:

Quote:

Princess Diana: The Hidden Evidence
Author: John King and John Beveridge
Publisher: SPI Books
The alleged hidden evidence, hinting towards murder
By Kevin McClure

May 2002

King and Beveridge published the newsstand UFO Reality, perhaps the most credulous of the UK ‘abduction’ magazines. They were often informed by nameless or unnameable sources or, worse, non-professional hypnotic regression. I could never tell who had made up what, or decide just where they belonged on the chain of gullibility at the end of which we readers frequently find ourselves.

The theme of this book is that Princess Diana was murdered, by or on behalf of MI6 and the CIA. Most of the theories surrounding the actual death you’ll have heard before: the authors simply provide extra, and odder, motives. We hear that Diana had been chosen to marry into the Royal Family because she, as a Spencer, was of the ‘grail bloodline’, and could improve the family as breeding stock. Divorced from Charles and intending to marry a Muslim, she simply had to die.

http://www.forteantimes.com/reviews/boo ... dence.html

Diana was the result of a dalliance between Sir James Goldsmith and Frances Shand-Kydd - then Viscountess Althorp.

A source close to the Spencers says:

"Her husband was drinking heavily and was beastly to her. She [Francis Shand-Kydd] knew James Goldsmith and the rumour was that they had a brief fling. At that time, it's fair to say Goldsmith was a sex maniac."

Viscount Althorp and Francis Shand-Kydd were divorced just after this.

Quote:

The British media made comparisons between the lives of Shand Kydd and Diana because they were both inexperienced young women who were thrust into the spotlight by marriage to much older men in higher stations. Her marriage to Viscount Althorp was not a happy one and, in 1967, she left to be with Peter Shand Kydd, an heir to a wallpaper fortune whom she had met the year before. Subsequently, she was named "the other woman" in Janet Shand Kydd's divorce action against her husband.

- Wikipedia

Diana with her half-sister Jemima Khan (nee Goldsmith), who had converted to Islam.

Zac Goldsmith - Diana's half brother [left] and the future King.

Goldsmith succeeded in splitting the Conservative vote in the 1997 elections which gave Tony Blair's New Labour the biggest margin of victory ever witnessed. Just in time to be the Zionist stooge.

It goes on. Hewitt was caught with Cocaine and arrested then released. Thus ensuring his continued silence. The Cocaine was likely planted on him by a CNN journalist with known CIA links.

So which one does Harry most look like? Let's vote on it?

lovuian · **Posted:** 01 Apr 2012 5:43 am

Ohhhh Please you don't think that her family's name was important
Give me a break!!!

She was a Spencer one of the oldest families in England and she was related to the Stewarts

Her Scottish blood was an added bonus to the match

it was not a love match ...since they got divorced

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6956

lovuian wrote:

Ohhhh Please you don't think that her family's name was important
Give me a break!!!

She was a Spencer one of the oldest families in England and she was related to the Stewarts

Her Scottish blood was an added bonus to the match

it was not a love match ...since they got divorced

Diana was murdered

Pilrig · **Posted:** 01 Apr 2012 2:06 pm

roscoe wrote:

Pilrig wrote:

Well I finally read Dreamer of the Vine only three decades late :roll:

. I agree with Richard's opening threads about the quality of the writing. And also that the second half of the novel lacks the optimism if you like of the first. But the latter concentrates on the era of France's Wars of Religion.
Many of the themes and characters were later introduced to wider audience two years later with HBHG. What is striking (and what shocks Nostrodamus in the novel) is the introduction of the sangraal and it's Merovingian connection. The timing is interesting: two years as I said before HBHG ( as everyone is aware of the sibling relationship of Liz Greene and Richard Leigh), and published a year after the broadcasting of the Shadow of the Templars . The latter introduced the PoS claims and featured the interview with Plantard maintaining his descent from the Merovingians. It is interesting to speculate that while the proto-HBHG team were writing and researching Shadow of the Templars (and HL interviewing Plantard for the Beeb) , that the thought had already occurred to them of a sacred bloodline of the Merovingians/Plantards.

BTW according to the novel the Guises (amongst others) were of the sacred bloodline, the current monarch of Great Britain is a descendant of Mary of Guise, wife of James V, King of Scots......and according to the late 'Sir' Laurence Gardner, her grandsons Wills and Harry are of the Bloodline too via their late mother. :wink:

You have to remember of course that Liz Green the author was in fact the sister of Richard Leigh and the girlfriend of Michael Baigent at the time. A good deal of the HBHG research was being passed over to her.

Yep I know her relationship to the HBHG team, I was wondering that when HL was interviewing Plantard for the Beeb, he was privy to the bloodline/Merovingian/Plantard thesis.

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