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PostPosted: 29 Mar 2012 2:50 am 
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Here`s a sneak peek! Look at the design in the center.

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...and here is another very interesting cover for anyone interested in the discussion of Kashmir.

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 Post subject: Re: Dan Brown`s new book
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Holy row in Kashmir over 'Jesus tomb'
By Haroon Mirani

SRINAGAR - When a popular travel guide revived a decades-old debate by saying that a tomb in Indian-administered Kashmir may be the final resting place of Jesus Christ, the influx of foreign tourists and conspiracy theorists did not go down well with local Muslims - they insist the grave contains the remains of an ancient Sufi saint.

Lonely Planet took pains to add a disclaimer when it described the "Jesus tomb" in its latest edition for India, but this didn't stop curious foreigners flocking to the Roza Bal Shrine in downtown Srinagar, Indian-administered Kashmir's summer capital. Muslim youths responded by roughing up their tour guides.

The tomb's caretakers say it has two graves, both containing Muslim saints. The most recent, Syed Naseerudin, was a Medieval saint whose life is fairly well documented - it's the grave's earlier inhabitant that has drawn all the attention.

Yuz Asaf was reportedly a charismatic preacher who arrived in Kashmir from Israel with his mother, Mary, in 30AD. In Kashmiri his name means "the healer" or "the shepherd, the one who teaches others". His nickname, "Issa", is the local name for Jesus Christ.

The idea that Jesus survived the crucifixion and traveled to Kashmir with his mother or wife has been around for over a 100 years, and popular novels like Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code have renewed public interest in alternative versions of Biblical history.

"The tomb's history was recorded from 112 AD, much earlier than the advent of Islam and around the same time Jesus Christ lived," said Suzanne Olsson, the New York-based researcher and author of Jesus in India, The Lost Tomb. "There is no question of the tomb containing any Muslim saint."

But both Christians and Muslims dismiss the idea as blasphemy. Both religions say Jesus Christ was taken by God into heaven, while some Islamic and Christian sects say there will be a "second coming" of Jesus Christ.

"Yuz Asaf and Syed Naseerudin are buried here and both are Muslims," Mohammed Amin Ringshawl, the caretaker of the small tomb, which is surrounded by a nondescript, one-storey shrine, told Asia Times Online.

Louis Jacolliot, a French barrister, colonial judge, author and lecturer is credited with first propounding the theory that Jesus spent time in India. His book, La Bible dans l'Inde, ou la Vie de Iezeus Christna (The Bible in India or The life of Iezeus Christna), was first published in 1869.

There is no record of Christ's life between the ages 12 to 30 in the New Testament, and researchers have been trying to piece together the era known as "the missing years" for centuries.

In 1890, Russian author Nicolas Notovitch published The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ, which referred to Buddhist scrolls found in a monastery in the Ladakh region of Indian-administered Kashmir. The scrolls, according to Notovitch, described Jesus as coming to India and living and studying Buddhism there in the "missing years".

The controversial Ahmadiyya sect, which believes that Jesus was a mortal who died a natural death in India, has released numerous books on the theory. Most famous is Jesus in Heaven on Earth, written by Khawaja Nazir Ahmad in 1952.

Aziz Kashmiri, a local journalist, co-wrote a book in 1973 with professor Fida Hassnain that claimed Jesus died in Kashmir at the ripe old age of 120. Hassnain, a former director of Archives, Archaeology, Research and Museums for Jammu and Kashmir, also co-authored a book with Olsson entitled Roza Bal, Beyond the Da Vinci Code.

Alongside the dozens of factual books published on the matter, the heavily researched thriller The Rozabal Line, by Ashwin Sanghi was published in 2007.

Authors who claim Christ is entombed in Roza Bal say the evidence is conclusive.

"At Roza Bal tomb the sarcophagus is laid in an east-west direction, in line with Jewish traditions, rather than the Muslim tradition of north-south," said Olsson. The researcher added that the sarcophagus in Roza Bal was covered with a gravestone laid in a north-south direction to give it a Muslim identity.

At the shrine, the footprints of Yuz Asaf are carved into stone, showing some peculiar injuries. "These can only have been caused only when a nail is pierced through the feet laid one over the other during crucifixion," said Olsson, adding, "There is no history of crucifixion in Asia." A recent documentary by the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) on the subject used computer graphics to recreate the wounds.

Professor Hassnain claims Jesus chose Kashmir as his destination because Kashmiris and Afghans originate from the "10 missing tribes of Israel". He says the people settled in the new countries after being driven out of Israel by the Assyrians in around 720 BC. "Jesus had come to preach among his own people," according to Hassnain.

Many tribes in Kashmir call themselves "Bani Israel" (children of Israel). Local tour operators say Jesus passed through the famous tourist spot Yus-Marg (Meadow of Jesus), a beautiful valley, during his journey into Kashmir.

"On his way [to Kashmir] the mother Mary passed away in [what is now] Pakistan and a shrine was built there at present-day Murree [derived from Mary]," said Olsson. She says the connection between Kashmir and Jewish traditions is strengthened by the presence of graves of the Prophet Moses and his brother Aaron at Bandipora and Harwan in Kashmir.

"The grave of Moses is also in the Jewish tradition of east-west. There are many more similarities between Kashmiris and the Middle East socially and culturally," said Olsson.

A former caretaker of the Roza Bal shrine, the late Basharat Saleem, claimed to possess a family chart that proved he was a direct descendant of Yuz Asaf. The word Roza Bal is derived from the Kashmir term Rauza-Bal, meaning "tomb of the prophet".



http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/LE22Df03.html


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 Post subject: Re: Dan Brown`s new book
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Renne wrote:
Here`s a sneak peek! Look at the design in the center.


Happy April Fool's day to you too, Renne.

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 Post subject: Re: Dan Brown`s new book
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The "heavily researched thriller" referred to in the article - The Rozabal line -
on Kindle for 77p, paperback £9.57

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Rozabal-Lin ... 555&sr=8-1

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 Post subject: Re: Dan Brown`s new book
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I like the cover of Dan Brown's new book...the chi rho seems a fitting design...
to ndawe......the Roza Bal Line was written by a gentleman in India after reading my book...as an India resident, he was able to heavily promote his book there...he is a very nice young man...since then he has written another novel and is hoping to get it made into a movie..

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Shasta wrote:
I like the cover of Dan Brown's new book...the chi rho seems a fitting design...

To me it seems as if Blythe is still stealing from RLC fora. Still the same. :x


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And he/she is not the only budding new “author” doing that :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Dan Brown`s new book
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Tingra.....even in my limited experience as an author, I have seen my own works..a line here, a new concept there, appear in other publications..so I often think about what is open blatant 'theft' of property rights? I followed the Lincoln (et al) trials at the time because I had my own court case under consideration.....and I learned that one cannot claim exclusivity to history, regardless how one interprets it..to accuse someone of theft or fraud or plagiarism requires much more... In my situation, I had 'more' evidence, but lacked the funding to follow through.....it's a slippery slope to be on. I am 'new' here and so I am do not know what you are referring to...those who have been here consistently probably know better than I...



Quoting Robert McCrum, literary editor of The Observer newspaper, about The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail:
“ There is something called historical evidence – there is something called the historical method – and if you look around the shelves of bookshops there is a lot of history being published, and people mistake this type of history for the real thing. These kinds of books do appeal to an enormous audience who believe them to be 'history', but actually they aren't history, they are a kind of parody of history. Alas, though, I think that one has to say that this is the direction that history is going today…" source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Blood,_Holy_Grail

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Hi Shasta, I am not accusing anyone from the forum of plagiarism :D
The person I am referring to isn't a member here but they read the boards.


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Hi Shasta, I am not accusing anyone from the forum of plagiarism :D
The person I am referring to isn't a member here but they read the boards.

As soon as someone writes anything in this public forum he has lost the rights to his thoughts. That's the way it is, sad but true. That person who reads and picks up the stuff can't be accused of plagiarism. Am I wrong?


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 Post subject: Re: Dan Brown`s new book
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The Rozabal Shrine of Srinagar (Dec 2010)
New documentary produced by the Government of India's Films Division - written and directed by Yashendra


http://www.tombofjesus.com/index.php?op ... &Itemid=75

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8FiKC7FYxE


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I suppose it is a fact of life that any original idea will be seized upon by others who then claim it as their own...and will defend their right to do so!
When I research, I find ideas that fit in and support "my" theory...I started with a pre-concieved notion, a 'hunch', an insight, and then found the evidence that supported it.....the uniqueness comes in how much supporting evidence we muster...This is where it is easy for the lines to get blurred.
The moment we put any idea forward in a public way, others will be led by it, take it on as their own, mold it, shape it....and swear it is their own because they have put so much of their personal slant into it...that's called 'inspiration'.....It is human nature to absorb what we see and experience, and consequently be influenced by it. If I hear of a new theory that happens to work well with my theories (of Jesus and religions for example) I cant help but be inspired by it in some way. Sometimes this happens consciously, sometimes it happens subconsciously.Ideas are constantly absorbed, regurgitated and recycled. Often the result is sufficiently abstracted from the original idea to call it inspiration; sometimes the result is a carbon copy of the original idea.
"Hard" plagerism is copying word for word right from another author (or designer, or whomever). "Soft" plagerism is stealing ideas, concepts, research....

Tobias Wolff said in an interview published in The Missouri Review:

"It’s often a very good, passionate reader who plagiarizes . . . —someone whose connection with a given work becomes so powerful that his sense of it being “his” story—a feeling every writer wants to create in the reader—allows him to forget that he did not, in fact, create the story. . . . You might then convince yourself that the plagiarism you’re committing is actually personal revelation. It can even seem an act of honest confession".

My personal observation here....how I figured out how much I was being plagerized..(yes, we can recognize the difference)...

I saw not only my original ideas and concept for my book copied, but even words and complete sentences! This did not happen in one book, but in several of the 'other' author's books...I was seemingly her well-spring for inspiration!

Now how much of this can be "circumstantial" and coincidence after it happens repeatedly? None....because I regard it all as plagiarism due to the circumstances of its repeating again and again..

That's when "inspiration" becomes the litigation of one author against another....
But in the end, I realized that there are dates on printed material......and facts to back up one's claims...originality can be determined, even by an average guy on the streets if he wants to do some simple research to get to the bottom of things. Well, sadly, a lot of people just cant be bothered doing their own research....which is why the lawyers will probably be around for a long, long time..

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Eginolf wrote:
tingra wrote:
Hi Shasta, I am not accusing anyone from the forum of plagiarism :D
The person I am referring to isn't a member here but they read the boards.

As soon as someone writes anything in this public forum he has lost the rights to his thoughts. That's the way it is, sad but true. That person who reads and picks up the stuff can't be accused of plagiarism. Am I wrong?

Quite right Egi, at least I believe so with UK publishing. TCP would probably know more details because of his job ( and I don't mean the Vatican one :D )
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TCP has a job at the Vatican?????? OHHH I am green with envy! Woo Hoo

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TCP has a job at the Vatican?????? OHHH I am green with envy! Woo Hoo

Hi Shasta, No he doesn't I was being sarcastic. Some forum members seem to insinuate that he is a secret member of the Inquisition or groups like the Knights of Malta etc etc :D
P.S, nice to have you back around.
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Shasta wrote:
I like the cover of Dan Brown's new book...the chi rho seems a fitting design...
to ndawe......the Roza Bal Line was written by a gentleman in India after reading my book...as an India resident, he was able to heavily promote his book there...he is a very nice young man...since then he has written another novel and is hoping to get it made into a movie..


You do get that the "new book" is a 2010 April fool's joke?

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Thanks Rain, I thought that DB had been reading this forum and had immortalized

the Crista as a 2012 calendar artifact.

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What iz this? The book cover is an April Fool joke and no one here works at the Vatican?
Was this a newbie initiation?

(Hanging head in embarrassment)...

You wait.....You just wait...
April 1st is fast approaching..... :twisted:

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It fooled me! Have you ever heard of the

Sodalitium Pianum Shasta? - (speaking of the Vatican).

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Ahhhh the Sodalitium Pianum...I wonder what they would do with me if they ever caught me?
They have by now condemned me to hellfire and brimstone for writing such a heretical book..
OH dear....are you trying to warn me that they are still alive and active on this forum? :cry:

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BULLDOGNIC wrote:
Eginolf wrote:
tingra wrote:
Hi Shasta, I am not accusing anyone from the forum of plagiarism :D
The person I am referring to isn't a member here but they read the boards.

As soon as someone writes anything in this public forum he has lost the rights to his thoughts. That's the way it is, sad but true. That person who reads and picks up the stuff can't be accused of plagiarism. Am I wrong?

Quite right Egi, at least I believe so with UK publishing. TCP would probably know more details because of his job ( and I don't mean the Vatican one :D )
Regards
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Plagiarism isn't illegal; copyright infringement is illegal. Big difference.

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TCP, Good point about plagiarism..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism


""Plagiarism is defined in dictionaries as the "wrongful appropriation," "close imitation," or "purloining and publication" of another author's "language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions," and the representation of them as one's own original work, but the notion remains problematic with nebulous boundaries. The modern concept of plagiarism as immoral and originality as an ideal emerged in Europe only in the 18th century, particularly with the Romantic movement, while in the previous centuries authors and artists were encouraged to "copy the masters as closely as possible" and avoid "unnecessary invention."

The 18th century new morals have been institutionalized and enforced prominently in the sectors of academia and journalism, where plagiarism is now considered academic dishonesty and a breach of journalistic ethics, subject to sanctions like expulsion and other severe career damage. Not so in the arts, which not only have resisted in their long-established tradition of copying as a fundamental practice of the creative process, but with the boom of the modernist and postmodern movements in the 20th century, this practice has been heightened as the central and representative artistic device. Plagiarism remains tolerated by 21st century artists.

Plagiarism is not a crime per se but is disapproved more on the grounds of moral offence, and cases of plagiarism can involve liability for copyright infringement."

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