Bill Wilkinson's Big Lie...

rs2008 · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2012 12:03 am

richard.webster wrote:

rs2008 wrote:

Ohhhh....you're all over here talking about the interview, I replied on Jean's posting.
Couldn't stand the girl's voice and inanity, so only made it through 20mins.
Thought it was all a bit predictable really. What a tosser he is.
What I find interesting is which Arcadians have had little to say about it all....and I'm deliberately one of those. Why waste time wringing your hands over it all? It was an obvious fraud (well, to me), forget it, forget Hammott or whatever he wants to call himself, forget those who willingly or unwittingly became caught up in and perpetrated it all, be thankful you're not part of it other than observers and have your (well, mostly) reputations intact.
For me, it was a matter only of time, and it's certainly not going to be the last of intrigue to surround RLC. I agree with Richard, a sordid, unpleasant affair.

Having listened to many of Rene Barnett's radio shows, I like her a lot, and I'm personally a big fan of the mid-western burr to her voice, which I find rather seductive, but that may just be a me thing. But as someone initially taken in by Hammott's tomb find, I very much agree with the rest of what you've written. Especially the tosser part.

I'll try again Richard, the thought of being seduced has won me. :wink:

Renne · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2012 12:05 am

We shall see Icremote, we shall see......

Aprositus Nesos · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2012 1:27 pm

Pat wrote:

I think everyone deserves a 2nd chance in his life.

Perhaps Pat is talking about himself here.

'Ben Hammott', he never really existed, except in the imagination of people.

As for Bill Wilkinson, his path to redemption is a very long one indeed. The level of personal transformation required seems beyond his ability.

Davinho · **Joined:** 26 Jan 2010 10:58 am **Posts:** 1846

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Perhaps Pat is talking about himself here

well as it seems Pat is actually with Ben now, perhaps not

Aprositus Nesos · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2012 1:54 pm

Davinho wrote:

well as it seems Pat is actually with Ben now, perhaps not

Yes, I suppose that might be true too.

fmh999 · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2012 2:00 pm

These guys are strange.....if my best friend would let me search for an entrance at a mountains site for 6 years and if I would have gone there 4 to 5 times a year.....and after 6 years this best friend would tell me the thing was made up (without showing a lot of emotions..), that there is no entrance there....man.....I do not think this guy would still be my best friend...

What I LOVED in the interview was when Ben was talking about the "old book" in the tomb. Don't ask me which one, but he and R.Barnett talked about it. So what do you think? Which items would be bought over ebay and which one would have to be manufactured? Judge for yourself....I think the most easy item to get on ebay is an old book.....there are 100000000000000000 of old and very old books available all over the world....costs you 100 bucks.....so no brainer to buy one over Internet.....BUT NO, he told Barnett that he MADE the book out of wood etc...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hans peper · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2012 2:04 pm

Yeah, a second chance - and if it is needed a third one.

VeryAngryMother · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2012 2:09 pm

fmh999 wrote:

What I LOVED in the interview was when Ben was talking about the "old book" in the tomb. Don't ask me which one, but he and R.Barnett talked about it. So what do you think? Which items would be bought over ebay and which one would have to be manufactured? Judge for yourself....I think the most easy item to get on ebay is an old book.....there are 100000000000000000 of old and very old books available all over the world....costs you 100 bucks.....so no brainer to buy one over Internet.....BUT NO, he told Barnett that he MADE the book out of wood etc...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why would he pay 100 bucks for a book that he could make for peanuts?

VAM

hans peper · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2012 2:10 pm

fmh999 wrote:

These guys are strange.....if my best friend would let me search ....

Have you ever had such a friend ? Friendship can do that. Friendship can be stronger than you will imagine fmh.

But I think you do not know, what pat is talking about.

fmh999 · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2012 2:15 pm

VeryAngryMother wrote:

fmh999 wrote:

What I LOVED in the interview was when Ben was talking about the "old book" in the tomb. Don't ask me which one, but he and R.Barnett talked about it. So what do you think? Which items would be bought over ebay and which one would have to be manufactured? Judge for yourself....I think the most easy item to get on ebay is an old book.....there are 100000000000000000 of old and very old books available all over the world....costs you 100 bucks.....so no brainer to buy one over Internet.....BUT NO, he told Barnett that he MADE the book out of wood etc...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why would he pay 100 bucks for a book that he could make for peanuts?

VAM

Because I would imagine it is not that easy to "make" such a book? Or do you think that is just so easy? If yes, then it is a waste of talents side of Ben.

Davinho · **Joined:** 26 Jan 2010 10:58 am **Posts:** 1846

Quote:

What I LOVED in the interview was when Ben was talking about the "old book" in the tomb. Don't ask me which one, but he and R.Barnett talked about it. So what do you think? Which items would be bought over ebay and which one would have to be manufactured? Judge for yourself....I think the most easy item to get on ebay is an old book.....there are 100000000000000000 of old and very old books available all over the world....costs you 100 bucks.....so no brainer to buy one over Internet.....BUT NO, he told Barnett that he MADE the book out of wood etc...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that didn't seem strange to me, what did seem a bit silly is Rene thinking he bought a normal book and aged it. As the filming was hardly in detail and was never really going to be because it was entirely controlled by Ben he didn't need something that looked 100% authentic. In another life he would make an excellent props man

Davinho · **Joined:** 26 Jan 2010 10:58 am **Posts:** 1846

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Because I would imagine it is not that easy to "make" such a book? Or do you think that is just so easy? If yes, then it is a waste of talents side of Ben.

do you think all the books, say, in the background of a TV prog are actually books? What about the ones that are on the bookshelves in Ikea? See? not so hard

Davinho · **Joined:** 26 Jan 2010 10:58 am **Posts:** 1846

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Have you ever had such a friend ? Friendship can do that. Friendship can be stronger than you will imagine fmh.

personally I think "friendship" is the wrong word

fmh999 · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2012 2:20 pm

Well, OK, fair enough then!

VeryAngryMother · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2012 2:20 pm

fmh999 wrote:

Because I would imagine it is not that easy to "make" such a book? Or do you think that is just so easy?

It would be easy for him to make one.

VAM

fmh999 · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2012 2:21 pm

Well, OK, fair enough, I buy "everything"!

VeryAngryMother · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2012 2:23 pm

fmh999 wrote:

Well, OK, fair enough, I buy "everything"!

Me too love but then I've never had to furnish a tomb!

VAM

TCP · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2012 2:31 pm

fmh999 wrote:

Because I would imagine it is not that easy to "make" such a book? Or do you think that is just so easy? If yes, then it is a waste of talents side of Ben.

You know, it occurred to me while listening to Ben describe his fabrications, it's a pity he doesn't work in set design. He's got the talent.

TCP

TCJ · **Joined:** 22 Sep 2008 3:15 pm **Posts:** 1566

He does. Those sets were knock-outs.

Aprositus Nesos · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2012 2:53 pm

VeryAngryMother wrote:

It would be easy for him to make one.

Hi VAM,

I remember him saying that he was a plaster worker by trade, which suggests skills in working with his hands, and perhaps had other talents.
Can you say a little about this? For example, did he have skills as a decorative painter? Or other artistic and craft abilities we were not otherwise aware of?

If the body was a reproduction skeleton with liquid latex skin, then it was quite well done, including the finishing touches, which I assume required quite a bit of decorative painting, etc.

Best,
Paul

VeryAngryMother · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2012 3:42 pm

Aprositus Nesos wrote:

I remember him saying that he was a plaster worker by trade, which suggests skills in working with his hands, and perhaps had other talents.
Can you say a little about this? For example, did he have skills as a decorative painter? Or other artistic and craft abilities we were not otherwise aware of?
If the body was a reproduction skeleton with liquid latex skin, then it was quite well done, including the finishing touches, which I assume required quite a bit of decorative painting, etc.

He was a plasterer by trade and has always had an artistic bent. He was a silk screen artist when we met with a few pieces in some London galleries. He also made and sold plaster models (mainly in the skull/skeleton line!) And he has also produced some good short films which he made the sets for. On a lighter note, in the pub we ran together, he covered the walls in fake rocks which obviously looked so authentic that a bat took up residence there! :shock:

VAM

jlockest · **Joined:** 13 Aug 2010 5:37 pm **Posts:** 1010

VeryAngryMother wrote:

Aprositus Nesos wrote:

I remember him saying that he was a plaster worker by trade, which suggests skills in working with his hands, and perhaps had other talents.
Can you say a little about this? For example, did he have skills as a decorative painter? Or other artistic and craft abilities we were not otherwise aware of?
If the body was a reproduction skeleton with liquid latex skin, then it was quite well done, including the finishing touches, which I assume required quite a bit of decorative painting, etc.

He was a plasterer by trade and has always had an artistic bent. He was a silk screen artist when we met with a few pieces in some London galleries. He also made and sold plaster models (mainly in the skull/skeleton line!) And he has also produced some good short films which he made the sets for. On a lighter note, in the pub we ran together, he covered the walls in fake rocks which obviously looked so authentic that a bat took up residence there! :shock:

VAM

VAM,
How many other people in this incestuous RLC genre knew of Ben's 'talent's' in the prop and film making areas?

cj · **Joined:** 19 Oct 2006 3:21 pm **Posts:** 218

Back to the drawing board/bored....and Lincoln. (Cathedral, not Henry!)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=m-MjSLG7afw

VeryAngryMother · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2012 4:02 pm

jlockest wrote:

How many other people in this incestuous RLC genre knew of Ben's 'talent's' in the prop and film making areas?

I would have thought none!

VAM

Sheila · **Posted:** 23 Mar 2012 4:04 pm

hmm...better keep a weather eye open in case Bill W. and André D. ever get together for a busman's holiday.

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