Ark of the covenant

crimson_dove · **Joined:** 25 Jul 2008 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1468

TCJ wrote:

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Frightening

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it is Freaky!

Absolutely. Not meaning divert too much but Rick Santorum's political resurrection is astounding after the famously comical clown he was while in office. Ignorance of his past by his supporters has to be rejected mostly too now. I could on with the same about Gingrich but that's going to make my stomach hurt.

please take this conversation to misc.

back to the title of this thread please...

lovuian · **Posted:** 21 Mar 2012 8:14 pm

TCP wrote:

lovuian wrote:

In the movie they had a picture drawn up of a woman even though DNA had not confirmed it was a woman

They certainly didn't. And I asked that question of Burgess and Barnett directly in a Q&A and they side-stepped it completely with a statement about the reputation of the lab. The lab's reputation was not in question - the full results of the analysis were in question and were not revealed.

lovuian wrote:

Why the major push for Magdalene? She was the connection to Rennes Chateau

"She" was presented as the connection between the hagiographies and the HBHG/DaVC claims.

lovuian wrote:

just finding a body in a cave would not be a big deal but if it was Magdalene
that was a sure fire money maker and attention getter

It sure was...

lovuian wrote:

It was only the hands that connected the body to Magdalene
so did Ben manipulate the hands on the body? Probably

that was the only connection even though Cocteau also had his hands like that before burial

That manipulation was less inspired by Cocteau than by Starbird, who considers folded hands with interlaced fingers to refer specifically to Magdalene and the underground movement to "rehabilitate" her.

lovuian wrote:

if the body is real ...where did he get it and if he made it then he manipulated the hands

He said it was the body of someone who died in 1957. From the looks of it (no visible signs of preservation), it wasn't something that was being kept around for medical experiments. I would imagine it came out of its final resting place.

TCP

So Tim you think the connection was Starbird?
When it was the "Priory of Sion" that was also in the movie such as Haywood and Sandri
and Cocteau was supposed Grandmaster of the Priory
was buried with those hands

if that is Cocteau's body that would be a real freak out moment or if that is a Priory's body
I'm hoping its just a fake ...I'm rooting for Vam's idea

The hands were on the Magdalene where Corbu pointed on the altar

the hands are connected to Cocteau :wink:

and I found the same hands popping up in other locations

I found the hand in catholic religious saints and at Our Lady of Knock
and I found a possible one in a illuminated manuscript...

lovuian · **Posted:** 21 Mar 2012 8:25 pm

crimson_dove wrote:

TCJ wrote:

Quote:

Frightening

Quote:

it is Freaky!

Absolutely. Not meaning divert too much but Rick Santorum's political resurrection is astounding after the famously comical clown he was while in office. Ignorance of his past by his supporters has to be rejected mostly too now. I could on with the same about Gingrich but that's going to make my stomach hurt.

please take this conversation to misc.

back to the title of this thread please...

Crimson Dove long time so glad you are here
Do you have any thoughts about why after all these years now the hoax is exposed and Ben's confession?
It seems Andrew was the one who put his foot down when he got wind of the Ark of the Covenant sale
and it took Sandy going to a solicitor to get Ben to admit it

It is amazing how it has gone on for years :wink:

TCJ · **Joined:** 22 Sep 2008 3:15 pm **Posts:** 1566

Here's a much more successful and ongoing Ark hoax.

http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/

lovuian · **Posted:** 21 Mar 2012 8:42 pm

TCP wrote:

TCJ wrote:

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How about something a little more balanced instead of one side opposed to the other?

I'll say. A large portion of the disgusting politics going on in The States now is outright misogyny being pandered to misanthropes. We've been revisiting women's rights issues that were sorted and done decades ago.

I'm afraid what we're seeing is a "promise fulfilled" to religious conservatives after the Republicans have strung them along for decades to get their votes. Frightening.

TCP

I agree TCP frightening
Sorry about the Rant but you can understand how touchy the situation is

the Goddess worshipers never needed this Magdalene tomb
They have been around a very long time

I would be interested in why someone would want to BUY the Ark of the Covenant

Buying the Ark seems so WRONG
Was it to dupe others?

hotspur · **Joined:** 19 Feb 2011 12:02 pm **Posts:** 1451

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

IMHO the term Mag-Head is extremely apt when used to describe your hopelessly confused faith-based Magdalene-inspired BELIEF SYSTEM.

Interesting...........

And you don't subscribe to any faith based systems yourself?

BULLDOGNIC · **Joined:** 24 Apr 2008 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1872

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He said it was the body of someone who died in 1957. From the looks of it (no visible signs of preservation), it wasn't something that was being kept around for medical experiments. I would imagine it came out of its final resting place.

Lets just hope that Ben didn't "find" it on one of his many forays into graves ( such as the Pontils tomb ), maybe the name Tombman has more to it :shock:

I seriously doubt this however as the whole lot looked fake to me, I think it was JB or WhoopJohn that clocked the first tomb video was not the same as the second and that it was in miniature. Don't forget how good modern SFX are, just look at The Walking Dead on tv !
Regards
Nic

TCJ · **Joined:** 22 Sep 2008 3:15 pm **Posts:** 1566

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I think it was JB or WhoopJohn that clocked the first tomb video was not the same as the second and that it was in miniature.

That's correct and there was a solid question of the cross in different perspectives.

TCP · **Posted:** 21 Mar 2012 9:35 pm

lovuian wrote:

I agree TCP frightening
Sorry about the Rant but you can understand how touchy the situation is

Understood. You should see my rants on HuffPost.

lovuian wrote:

the Goddess worshipers never needed this Magdalene tomb
They have been around a very long time

Oh, trust me, I know plenty of Goddess worshipers, being Pagan myself, and among them I know very few who are interested the Magdalene movement. She's just not on their radar with all the other non-Abrahamic deities and traditions to choose from.

lovuian wrote:

I would be interested in why someone would want to BUY the Ark of the Covenant

Buying the Ark seems so WRONG
Was it to dupe others?

Bragging rights?

TCP

TCP · **Posted:** 21 Mar 2012 10:27 pm

lovuian wrote:

So Tim you think the connection was Starbird?

No, no, no. "Inspiration" in that if the hands on the corpse were in fact manipulated into that position, it would likely have been due to Starbird's claims about that particular gesture being called the "Magdalene" gesture. "Connection" implies Starbird had some hand in it (pardon the pun) which I don't think is likely at all.

lovuian wrote:

When it was the "Priory of Sion" that was also in the movie such as Haywood and Sandri
and Cocteau was supposed Grandmaster of the Priory
was buried with those hands

So have a lot of people, there's nothing unique about it.

lovuian wrote:

if that is Cocteau's body that would be a real freak out moment or if that is a Priory's body
I'm hoping its just a fake ...I'm rooting for Vam's idea

I see no reason to think that's poor Cocteau. However, they did extract a few hairs from the head that were later analyzed for DNA sequencing, so unless they got the hair sample from another source, it's probably real.

lovuian wrote:

The hands were on the Magdalene where Corbu pointed on the altar

the hands are connected to Cocteau :wink:

and I found the same hands popping up in other locations

I found the hand in catholic religious saints and at Our Lady of Knock
and I found a possible one in a illuminated manuscript...

Not surprising, the gesture is fairly common, both in prayer and in burial.

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

hotspur wrote:

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

IMHO the term Mag-Head is extremely apt when used to describe your hopelessly confused faith-based Magdalene-inspired BELIEF SYSTEM.

Interesting...........

And you don't subscribe to any faith based systems yourself?

Shouldn't there be a 'yawn' smiley face?

Surely there were other posts much more worthy of your rapier-like wit and attention, Hotspurt?

TCJ · **Joined:** 22 Sep 2008 3:15 pm **Posts:** 1566

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However, they did extract a few hairs from the head that were later analyzed for DNA sequencing, so unless they got the hair sample from another source, it's probably real.

Many back then were wondering why only hair was taken.
It was because of the rigged-up pole device quit on them.

ndawe · **Posted:** 21 Mar 2012 10:50 pm

Mar

Raven wrote:

Weird to see Ben report "Hair came from a Jewish lady from Jerusalem" on his Facebook page and owning up to his scam. Many disappointed people there.

March 19th 9.20pm

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

ndawe wrote:

Mar

Raven wrote:

Weird to see Ben report "Hair came from a Jewish lady from Jerusalem" on his Facebook page and owning up to his scam. Many disappointed people there.

March 19th 9.20pm

lovuian · **Posted:** 21 Mar 2012 11:07 pm

ndawe wrote:

Mar

Raven wrote:

Weird to see Ben report "Hair came from a Jewish lady from Jerusalem" on his Facebook page and owning up to his scam. Many disappointed people there.

March 19th 9.20pm

Do we believe him? What is her name? Did he have her permission?
Is it permissible to run DNA on somebody's DNA without her permission?

I think the University is not going to be happy with falsifying where they got the DNA

I see lots of major headaches ahead :roll:

hotspur · **Joined:** 19 Feb 2011 12:02 pm **Posts:** 1451

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Surely there were other posts much more worthy of your rapier-like wit and attention, Hotspurt?

My wit has more the reach of a toothpick.

However, you have avoided the point. Ranting about the faith based "Magheads", as you call them, leaves you open to the obvious question. Rants are fine ( I would hate to deprive you of your favourite past time), but should at least be kept tidy.

(BTW I am not defending the Magdalenes per se - they can well do that themselves.)

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

hotspur wrote:

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Surely there were other posts much more worthy of your rapier-like wit and attention, Hotspurt?

My wit has more the reach of a toothpick.

However, you have avoided the point. Ranting about the faith based "Magheads", as you call them, leaves you open to the obvious question. Rants are fine ( I would hate to deprive you of your favourite past time), but should at least be kept tidy.

(BTW I am not defending the Magdalenes per se - they can well do that themselves.)

Have I been ranting about Magheads, Hotspurt?

Quote:

rant (rnt)
v. rant·ed, rant·ing, rants
v.intr.
To speak or write in an angry or violent manner; rave.
v.tr.
To utter or express with violence or extravagance:
1. Violent or extravagant speech or writing.
2. A speech or piece of writing that incites anger or violence

Hotspurt, are you still grumpy over my gentle 'Tony Bushby' put-down?

lovuian · **Posted:** 21 Mar 2012 11:35 pm

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

hotspur wrote:

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Surely there were other posts much more worthy of your rapier-like wit and attention, Hotspurt?

My wit has more the reach of a toothpick.

However, you have avoided the point. Ranting about the faith based "Magheads", as you call them, leaves you open to the obvious question. Rants are fine ( I would hate to deprive you of your favourite past time), but should at least be kept tidy.

(BTW I am not defending the Magdalenes per se - they can well do that themselves.)

Have I been ranting about Magheads, Hotspurt?

Quote:

rant (rnt)
v. rant·ed, rant·ing, rants
v.intr.
To speak or write in an angry or violent manner; rave.
v.tr.
To utter or express with violence or extravagance:
1. Violent or extravagant speech or writing.
2. A speech or piece of writing that incites anger or violence

Hotspurt, are you still grumpy over my gentle 'Tony Bushby' put-down?

As a matter of fact you have repeatedly done so
trying to incite anger from it's use
and I love how you can find the definition for "rant" and not one for "Maghead"
and I noticed that you avoided the question also

hotspur · **Joined:** 19 Feb 2011 12:02 pm **Posts:** 1451

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Have I been ranting about Magheads, Hotspurt?

Quote:

rant (rnt)
v. rant·ed, rant·ing, rants
v.intr.
To speak or write in an angry or violent manner; rave.
v.tr.
To utter or express with violence or extravagance:
1. Violent or extravagant speech or writing.
2. A speech or piece of writing that incites anger or violence

Hotspurt, are you still grumpy over my gentle 'Tony Bushby' put-down?

You make me blush for you SP, having to tease all this out.

But I would say that #1 and #2 both apply. I think we could fairly say your rant posts flail into hyperbole with great regularity and cause the odd steam gauge to hit full scale.

(SP, I am always grumpy - however, I have to painfully admit (as I have already) that your Bushby put down was justified, to a point. )

lovuian · **Posted:** 22 Mar 2012 12:01 am

TCP wrote:

lovuian wrote:

I agree TCP frightening
Sorry about the Rant but you can understand how touchy the situation is

Understood. You should see my rants on HuffPost.

lovuian wrote:

the Goddess worshipers never needed this Magdalene tomb
They have been around a very long time

Oh, trust me, I know plenty of Goddess worshipers, being Pagan myself, and among them I know very few who are interested the Magdalene movement. She's just not on their radar with all the other non-Abrahamic deities and traditions to choose from.

lovuian wrote:

I would be interested in why someone would want to BUY the Ark of the Covenant

Buying the Ark seems so WRONG
Was it to dupe others?

Bragging rights?

TCP

Bragging rights :shock:

Oh I didn't think about that
You know there are lots ideas that the Ark was used as a communicator to God
I could see how a religious leader could use that to manipulate the flock
the Americans do seem very fascinated with the Ark especially the Secret Societies and Freemasons

An Ark Before THE Ark? Archaeologists’ research have thrown much light on the Egyptian mysteries. Among the ceremonies of that ancient people was one called the Procession of Shrines, which is mentioned in the Rosetta stone, and depicted on the Temple walls. One of these shrines was an ark, which was carried in procession by the priests, who supported it on their shoulders by staves passing through metal rings.

This ark was brought into the Temple and deposited on a stand or altar, that the ceremonies prescribed in the ritual might be performed before it.

The contents of these arks were varied, but always of a mystical character.

Sometimes the ark would contain symbols of Life and Stability; sometimes the sacred beetle, the symbol of the Sun; and there was always a representation of 2 figures of the goddess Theme or Truth and Justice, which overshadowed the ark with their wings.

It is believed that these coincidences of the Egyptian and Hebrew arks are more than accidental.

Credit for the above information is given to Albert Mackey, Mackey’s Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, Volume 1, Page 103, 1929.

http://www.masonic-lodge-of-education.com/ark-of-the-covenant.html
"Braggin rights" my Lodge has the Ark and yours don't

crimson_dove · **Joined:** 25 Jul 2008 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1468

musical interlude :-)

in misc...

and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPFDVeDXGR0

no lov. i know nothing... nor anthing... how hilarious!!!

Renne · **Posted:** 22 Mar 2012 12:54 am

Does Ben have an E-Bay account?

Renne · **Posted:** 22 Mar 2012 1:31 am

The Ark of the Covenant.

lovuian · **Posted:** 22 Mar 2012 2:29 am

ndawe wrote:

Mar

Raven wrote:

Weird to see Ben report "Hair came from a Jewish lady from Jerusalem" on his Facebook page and owning up to his scam. Many disappointed people there.

March 19th 9.20pm

was she possibly Israeli?

I hope she is not connected to the Israeli government....Did Ben go to Israel?

Davinho · **Joined:** 26 Jan 2010 10:58 am **Posts:** 1799

Quote:

Agreed Bill
I thought we were talking about the Ark of the Covenant Hoax by Bill Wilkinson/Ben Hammott

and then the "Mag Heads" slur or the inference that these "WOMEN" were DUMB
Sparty saw the dangerous road that was treading and brought up Bill as a "Mag Head"
What does this have to do with the Ark of the Covenant sham of Wilkinson...rant rant

ok I'm not sure if this rant is aimed at me because I happened to say I thought women would be more easily manipulated in this scenerio
Maybe I shouldn't have said "this may sound sexist" or maybe I did not express myself eloquently enough for all to understand what I meant. Let me use a hypothetical scenerio...
A theory that Jesus is gay...who do you think would more likely support that theory and want to believe it most? Perhaps be a little blinded in that support. Gay men do you think?

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