Ark of the covenant

wayward · **Posted:** 21 Mar 2012 11:18 am

Davinho wrote:

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I know you did, but the purpose of the word is to lump together a very diverse group of individuals so they can be identified by one "slur". I could cite some other examples, but I'm sure you get the point.
btw, Some of us so-called mh's could care less about Ben's find.

my intention was somewhat derogatory. What I meant is the kind of people who want to believe in the goddess way ahead of the truth or facts...this is how they can be manipulated. I could have said disciple, groupie even
I'm not sure why you choose to lump yourself in with the people I was meaning unless you prefer to see what you want to see rather then the truth or you have misunderstood what I meant

The term has been applied to me also, which is why I mentioned it. As I said it applies to a very diverse group. Now don't get your panties in a bunch, I was in no way hammering you personally, I was merely splaining why I don't like the word.

Davinho · **Joined:** 26 Jan 2010 10:58 am **Posts:** 1806

I'm not Bill but you seem to be a little offended
I just wanted to make it clear what I meant

wayward · **Posted:** 21 Mar 2012 11:47 am

Davinho wrote:

I'm not Bill but you seem to be a little offended
I just wanted to make it clear what I meant

el problema, Davinho :wink:

rain · **Posted:** 21 Mar 2012 12:17 pm

Serendipity · **Joined:** 20 May 2008 3:32 pm **Posts:** 2894

rain wrote:

Serendipity wrote:

Let me see if I'm getting this correct; Ben/Bill was married to VAM and lived with Tina and Sandy also?

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I seem to recall it being mentioned on the Forum some while ago that after you threw him out Ben moved in with Sandy, is that true ?

Serendipity, Tina has nothing to do with this. Even your quote says Sandy.

Tina is just defending some people she believes shouldn't be headhunted because it's simply not right.

Oh....I thought Thomas D. was addressing Tina in his entire post. Sorry. I just thought considering the Roger thang.....well.....

As far as the headhunting goes.....I remember being hunted down by Tina and Sandy. They have attacked me for my research; accused me of embarrassing the entire genre and causing the forum to lose members.

Then Tina attacked my personal life when the same kind of thing happened to me back in November. (Lied to by a man who is conning people) Can you say hypocrite?

At least, through it all, I have been HONEST. Maybe, honestly wrong.....but I have never had the intent to deceive anyone.

It hasn't been too long since Tina told me I was getting what I deserve.....maybe the Universe is creating balance for everyone.

jim · **Posted:** 21 Mar 2012 12:30 pm

Thomas D. wrote:

Aprositus Nesos wrote:

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Hi Paul,

Great job, btw, helping expose Ben's form as a hoaxer (it was you and the Nessie expose, right).

I have nothing to hide here:

I first heard of the allegations about Loch Ness from a 'Richard Paul' (on Facebook) but doubted them because he was using an assumed name. I then contacted Adrian Shine directly, and politely asked if there was anything to it, and if so, could he elaborate. Much to my disappointment, Adrian Shine did confirm the salient points of the allegation, including a detail not mentioned in Andy's post... witnesses had reported one or more wet suits drying in Bill Wilkinson's camper van.

I had a bad feeling things were about to get very ugly, and I made a few calls (to Sandy and others.) Sandy and I had several conversations about what the appropriate thing to do was, and decided that Bill Wilkinson needed to take Sandy to the 'tomb' for a live filming, and soon.

Then the allegations appeared on this Forum, along with something that gobsmacked us both: this bit about the ark (note the lowercase 'a'.)

Sandy then upped the ante with Ben, and threatened to go to the tomb herself, with or without him.

I offered to assist. Here is what I wrote her:

Hi Sandy,
If Ben makes excuses about taking you to the site I will go with you.
My conditions:
1. You do not tell anyone in advance that we are going. I do not want a confrontation with Ben or Pat.
2. We do nothing more than dig it out enough to get a camera down the shaft, get some good film, and allay your fears.
3. We disturb nothing and certainly we do not take anything.
4. We reseal and conceal the entrance.
If you prefer, I will go to the site alone, retrieve the footage, and keep you entirely out of it. I have a rough idea where it is and could likely find it with a few days effort. What would happen next would depend on what is found.
I will do this because I love you, but it must be done honorably and properly.

We began planning a trip for May. I informed my wife and began assembling kit. I told Sandy this past Saturday (via Skype) that I doubted we would ever find a real tomb, but if I was wrong, I would put up a substantial amount of my own money to see it properly excavated. Further, I would apologise to 'Ben Hammott' for ever doubting him.

That was the day before his half-assed confession broke.

At first, I felt some level of pity for Bill Wilkinson. That is gone.

Hi Paul,
Many thanks for that, at least that explains your sudden return to the Forum.
The confession went to great lengths to insist that only Bill W bore any reponsibility for the fraud perpetrated.
BTW seeing as you're so close to the arrangements can you confirm whether bill was sole author of the piece or was it dictated to him, written on his behalf ?

Can you see the problem that some may be labouring under in this instance?
The issue is whether anyone actually believes that Sandy has spent much of the last decade vociferously snarling at anyone
who dared to question the tomb and dear ol'Ben's work without seeing the slightest shred of tangible, verifiable evidence herself.
Earlier I quoted her statement from the book (p610) in which she makes it clear that she is at the heart of a team that will be proved right.
If she is the resourceful and tenacious researcher that some would have us believe then why this ten year black hole in her research?
It would appear that if this is taken at face value then why would anyone bother reading Redhesium (sp) again as its compiled by a researcher who has used her naivety and guillibility as a defence in this case?
Who would listen to someone who couldn't or wouldn't apply any kind of critical faculty to see beyond Bens amateurish attempts?

Why would someone with pretensions to be an archeologist turn up to a meeting with alleged relics so valuable as to be beyond
price in a plastic carrier bag? My recollection of that evening is that despite Bill k's wilder flights of fancy she sat in silence smirking
rather than offer any kind of professional restraint?
That kind of behavior would even embarass tony Robinson !

TD

C'mon TD, you seen the video of her and the team doing "real archeological research". It was like watching grade school students at science camp.

tingra · **Posted:** 21 Mar 2012 12:45 pm

Serendipity wrote:

Oh....I thought Thomas D. was addressing Tina in his entire post. Sorry. I just thought considering the Roger thang.....well.....

As far as the headhungting goes.....I remember being hunted down by Tina and Sandy. They have attacked me for my research; accused me of embarrassing the entire genre and causing the forum to loose members.

Then Tina attacked my personal life when the same kind of thing happened to me back in November. (Lied to by a man who is conning people) Can you say hypocrite?

At least, through it all, I have been HONEST. Maybe, honestly wrong.....but I have never had the intent to deceive anyone.

It hasn't been too long since Tina told me I was getting what I deserve.....maybe the Universe is creating balance for everyone.

So you saw an opportunity to have a go at me and jumped in with your cloven hooves :lol:

……..bless.
i dont mind really, i know you cant help yourself

Aprositus Nesos · **Posted:** 21 Mar 2012 1:08 pm

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Big huge oops. I was confusing you with the mysterious 'Richard Paul'...

No problem. I thought that might have been what you meant, but wasn't sure.

Paul

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Rain wrote:

Still so far over your head you can't understand it. ahh poor spartacus arsecus. I think you and Boris should hook up, you'd make a great couple and maybe he could explain things to you, he likes that kind of thing.
I find explaining minutiae to uneducated idiots rather like trying to teach pigs to dance - it frustrates you and annoys the pig.
Try not to be annoyed when BB explains the facts of life to your good self

.

Yet more nonsensical gibberish, coupled with clear delusions of grandeur...

'Everytime I think of you...'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFw8dewE9eg

:mrgreen:

Aprositus Nesos · **Posted:** 21 Mar 2012 1:27 pm

Davinho wrote:

hmm I don't mean this as specifically related to Sandy but you should see the amount of women that fawned and are actully still fawning over Ben on his Facebook page, these mag-heads ,as they have been called, only want to see the goddess and are like groupies to anyone that says they can show them the way.
Now I'm going to sound sexist here but I think it is more likely for women to get maniuplated in this situation then men. Bottom line it is about the reviving of matriarchal belief systems and over throwing cruel patriarchal systems. You will always look with rose coloured specs at something that you think confirms your beliefs...anyone would tend to, that's how he could manipulate people especially women

You are absolutely right about this, IMO.

A lot of those women were self-proclaimed psychics, 'seers', etc. Funny thing is, none of them ever said 'this guy is a con-man'. Instead, they prattled on about Ben's 'special energy' his 'inner light', etc. And this will come as no surprise: Bill Wilkinson bedded more than a couple of them. I feel sorry for them, as most were very nice ladies.

OMG, I just had a thought: you don't think Wilkinson put this together as the world's most elaborate plot to get laid, do you?

Seriously, I am 'laughing out loud' as I write this. :lol:

Aprositus Nesos · **Posted:** 21 Mar 2012 1:39 pm

On a more serious note:

A number of people have speculated that Sandy and Bill Wilkinson were romantically involved. This is not true. She gave Bill Wilkinson a place to stay (her home) when he had nowhere else to go, that's all. I would have done the same thing for someone I thought my friend.

Aprositus Nesos · **Posted:** 21 Mar 2012 1:53 pm

Has anyone besides me noticed that the 'Ben Hammott' website is still up and pimping products? I wonder if he really is still taking orders from 'customers'?

And not surprisingly, there is no sign of a written confession there.

Davinho · **Joined:** 26 Jan 2010 10:58 am **Posts:** 1806

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A lot of those women were self-proclaimed psychics, 'seers', etc. Funny thing is, none of them ever said 'this guy is a con-man'. Instead, they prattled on about Ben's 'special energy' his 'inner light', etc. And this will come as no surprise: Bill Wilkinson bedded more than a couple of them. I feel sorry for them, as most were very nice ladies

I see you have caught the exact gist of what I was meaning

love and light....namaste :lol:

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Has anyone besides me noticed that the 'Ben Hammott' website is still up and pimping products? I wonder if he really is still taking orders from 'customers'?

And not surprisingly, there is no sign of a written confession there.

I requested Rene quiz him about this yesterday on her interview that's tonight I think. I also said ask him why he has only attempted to exploit two out of the 3 major religious systems on this planet and omitted the shouty, beardy, bomby one.... :lol:

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Aprositus Nesos wrote:

Has anyone besides me noticed that the 'Ben Hammott' website is still up and pimping products? I wonder if he really is still taking orders from 'customers'?

And not surprisingly, there is no sign of a written confession there.

Well, there are so many people out there who are so desperate to 'believe', particular the mag-heads, who are IMHO defined by the seemingly never ending credulity, so this is perhaps not too surprising.

Can I ask you something Paul, as someone who claims to be close to Sandy, does she fully accept that the tomb/body/bottles were indeed a hoax perpetrated by Bill Wilkinson? In other words, was she being 'facetious' when she claimed she didn't actually believe the Bill/Ben confusion/confession?

Thomas D. · **Posted:** 21 Mar 2012 2:07 pm

Aprositus Nesos wrote:

Has anyone besides me noticed that the 'Ben Hammott' website is still up and pimping products? I wonder if he really is still taking orders from 'customers'?

And not surprisingly, there is no sign of a written confession there.

May be he doesn't know he has 'confessed' yet, as he doesn't read Arcadia!
Perhaps the news of it will come as a big suprise to him.
He could be on holiday and out of broadband, an ideal time to pen a note on his behalf
wouldn't you say ? :wink:

TD/UU

Thomas D. · **Posted:** 21 Mar 2012 2:10 pm

Aprositus Nesos wrote:

On a more serious note:

A number of people have speculated that Sandy and Bill Wilkinson were romantically involved. This is not true. She gave Bill Wilkinson a place to stay (her home) when he had nowhere else to go, that's all. I would have done the same thing for someone I thought my friend.

Are we to assume you have taken on the role of spokesman for Sandy?
When the muck hits the fan in sweeps the Max Clifford of the genre?
TD/UU :lol:

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Davinho wrote:

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A lot of those women were self-proclaimed psychics, 'seers', etc. Funny thing is, none of them ever said 'this guy is a con-man'. Instead, they prattled on about Ben's 'special energy' his 'inner light', etc. And this will come as no surprise: Bill Wilkinson bedded more than a couple of them. I feel sorry for them, as most were very nice ladies

I see you have caught the exact gist of what I was meaning

love and light....namaste :lol:

Gentlemen, I do agree totally with what you are both saying, but, out of respect for the fairer sex, might I note that there are plenty of extremely credulous male Mag-Heads out there as well. We even have a few resident here on this forum. And last but not least, is not the great, arch-Mag-Head himself a man? I am, of course, referring to Dan Brown.

Credit where credit is due, chaps.

Davinho · **Joined:** 26 Jan 2010 10:58 am **Posts:** 1806

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Gentlemen, I do agree totally with what you are both saying, but, out of respect for the fairer sex, might I note that there are plenty of extremely credulous male Mag-Heads out there as well. We even have a few resident here on this forum. And last but not least, is not the great, arch-Mag-Head himself a man? I am, of course, referring to Dan Brown.

Credit where credit is due, chaps.

of course but equally of course this is a belief system that women would tend to want more, no? Certain groups of people are likely to be more easily manipulated depending on the system

Serendipity · **Joined:** 20 May 2008 3:32 pm **Posts:** 2894

tingra wrote:

Serendipity wrote:

Oh....I thought Thomas D. was addressing Tina in his entire post. Sorry. I just thought considering the Roger thang.....well.....

As far as the headhungting goes.....I remember being hunted down by Tina and Sandy. They have attacked me for my research; accused me of embarrassing the entire genre and causing the forum to loose members.

Then Tina attacked my personal life when the same kind of thing happened to me back in November. (Lied to by a man who is conning people) Can you say hypocrite?

At least, through it all, I have been HONEST. Maybe, honestly wrong.....but I have never had the intent to deceive anyone.

It hasn't been too long since Tina told me I was getting what I deserve.....maybe the Universe is creating balance for everyone.

So you saw an opportunity to have a go at me and jumped in with your cloven hooves :lol:

……..bless.
i dont mind really, i know you cant help yourself

It's not that I couldn't help myself, it's just that I didn't want anyone to get the wrong impression about you......

This quote is very misguiding....

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You're right, Tingra. I am considering their position and their basic human rights and my response to that. To tell you truth I would not have done that without you. You're a good friend. An honourable one.

I nearly lost my breakfast.....

lovuian · **Posted:** 21 Mar 2012 2:35 pm

wayward wrote:

Davinho wrote:

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Davinho, I think you misunderstand the extent and purpose of the slur, "mag-head".

I used it merely as people here would know what I meant

but tell me what is it's purpose?

I know you did, but the purpose of the word is to lump together a very diverse group of individuals so they can be identified by one "slur". I could cite some other examples, but I'm sure you get the point.
btw, Some of us so-called mh's could care less about Ben's find.

Bingo Bill :mrgreen:

and when I think of the picture I let him use in his book
I think his intention wasn't really about Mary Magdalene all along the
Book was about the TEMPLAR LOST TOMB :wink:

His intention was the ARK from the get go
Mary Magdalene just got added in

Yes my research doesn't depend on Ben's tomb at all
Agreed

If anything my research and others were added to his to help his story gain credence just like Starbirds Steve and Robs etc.. etc...

Ever since I came on the forum
I hit hostility from the get go but I feel so vindicated seeing this day come

I just smile

at the venom coming out with the slurs on the "Mag heads"
It only corrupts their message and undermines their comments
Are they trying to convince themselves?

Sainte Maxim La Sainte Baume still exists gentlemen
it has for centuries

Is the Pope a Mag Head? By your standards he is :lol:

Mary Magdalene is referred to as "the apostle to the apostles" from the 10th century
According to Harvard theologian Karen King, Mary Magdalene was a prominent disciple and leader of one wing of the early Christian movement that promoted women's leadership

These comments are really about the women's movement in the church and the suppression of women rights
This subject has come up in the elections in America where Rush Limbaugh made the disgusting comment of a woman student who talked about contraception in America ...The Religious Right continues to suppress women's rights

And maybe someday if Andrew and I sit down for drinks
I can tell him one more piece to the puzzle that I know :wink:

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Davinho wrote:

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Gentlemen, I do agree totally with what you are both saying, but, out of respect for the fairer sex, might I note that there are plenty of extremely credulous male Mag-Heads out there as well. We even have a few resident here on this forum. And last but not least, is not the great, arch-Mag-Head himself a man? I am, of course, referring to Dan Brown.

Credit where credit is due, chaps.

of course but equally of course this is a belief system that women would tend to want more, no? Certain groups of people are likely to be more easily manipulated depending on the system

Again true enough, but, again, never underestimate the need for some men to feel that they are under the control (and therefore protection) of their mama. As such, there are many men who are internally desperate for a matriarchy. You cannot simply view it as a women's belief system. The evolution of the Ancient Matriarchy Hoax is a perfect example. The amount of men who were involved in critcal stages of its development would probably shock you.

Having said all that, I do know what you are saying, and this forum is unfortunately a perfect example of the point you are making...

Aprositus Nesos · **Posted:** 21 Mar 2012 2:43 pm

Spartacus Paraclete wrote:

Can I ask you something Paul, as someone who claims to be close to Sandy, does she fully accept that the tomb/body/bottles were indeed a hoax perpetrated by Bill Wilkinson? One other words, was she being 'facetious' when she claimed she didn't actually believe the Bill/Ben confusion/confession?

Actually, I was chatting with her on Skype the very moment she made that post. The comment was facetious, and meant to be funny, IMO, but it expressed a very real exasparation with anything said by or about Wilkinson.

Davinho · **Joined:** 26 Jan 2010 10:58 am **Posts:** 1806

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I just smile at the venom coming out with the slurs on the "Mag heads"
It only corrupts their message and undermines their comments
Are they trying to convince themselves?

why are you thinking these supposed slurs might be direct at you. I think people are merely pointing out that in this particular field there are many people a lot of them women who are not being objective enough and analysing things. I think that's been well and truly proven after all this. Even that is not a slur, it is an observation on a particular scenerio

Davinho · **Joined:** 26 Jan 2010 10:58 am **Posts:** 1806

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Again true enough, but, again, never underestimate the need for some men to feel that they are under the control (and therefore protection) of their mama

haha touche sir

Spartacus Paraclete · **Joined:** 30 Dec 2009 12:04 pm **Posts:** 1906

Serendipity wrote:

tingra wrote:

Serendipity wrote:

Oh....I thought Thomas D. was addressing Tina in his entire post. Sorry. I just thought considering the Roger thang.....well.....

As far as the headhungting goes.....I remember being hunted down by Tina and Sandy. They have attacked me for my research; accused me of embarrassing the entire genre and causing the forum to loose members.

Then Tina attacked my personal life when the same kind of thing happened to me back in November. (Lied to by a man who is conning people) Can you say hypocrite?

At least, through it all, I have been HONEST. Maybe, honestly wrong.....but I have never had the intent to deceive anyone.

It hasn't been too long since Tina told me I was getting what I deserve.....maybe the Universe is creating balance for everyone.

So you saw an opportunity to have a go at me and jumped in with your cloven hooves :lol:

……..bless.
i dont mind really, i know you cant help yourself

It's not that I couldn't help myself, it's just that I didn't want anyone to get the wrong impression about you......

This quote is very misguiding....

Quote:

You're right, Tingra. I am considering their position and their basic human rights and my response to that. To tell you truth I would not have done that without you. You're a good friend. An honourable one.

I nearly lost my breakfast.....

I hear you, I really do...

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