Arcadia Discussion Zone

so despite Ben saying he planted them you still believe it? What's going on here?
Are we to believe mysterious and sinister groups have hacked Ben's email or forced him into confession?
Are you just seriously dellusional?
Do you know who did plant the bottles for definite? If so HOW?

It was richard.webster who said that, not I.

Lov, there is no body, it was all a hoax. The tomb was likely mocked up in someone's cellar. I'm guessing that the truth will be a better read than the fiction.

Funny how Ben's confession brings out the best in people here. Hope we can keep this cleared up atmosphere here, I am sure it would help the debate and the research. Committed and persistent people like Sandy and Pat are much needed in that I think.

I never thought of that body but OMG, if that was a real person, it needs to be laid to rest immediately...

By the way: Personally I don't think it is so silly to be looking for the Ark in RLC. I know the chance that it is actially there is ever so minute. Still a great number of people have been looking for it around Rennes, including some Israeli figures in the 70s and 80s. I've always been sort of a fan of the theories of my countryman Klaas van Urk who (imho) made quite a compelling case for the Ark having been hidden near Rennes. If you're interested, there's an English language interview with him on my interviews page from the days Andrew, Filip and I ran Radio Rennessence.

By the way: Personally I don't think it is so silly to be looking for the Ark in RLC.

Yes, i guess not. Im being harsh because im pissed off i suppose.

Im not so different - as someone interested in archaeology - i have a 'belief' system which tells me there is a possibility that a Visigothic treasure trove may be buried in the area. I mean, it has to be somewhere right?

And for people like Glykon (who hid behind pseudonyms, who are deceitful themselves and pretended how noble they are about their intentions for so called right reasons, who used peoples words against them when they had NO EVIDENCE , and who claimed the tomb was a member of his family, and on his land blah blah blah, a person who manipulates in the name of truth when you are just a liar yourself) - when i made the comment to you about finding a 'treasure' like Carter - that was in the context of the wonderment of the moment that Carter must have experienced when he looked into the tomb - the same wonderment that the metal detector felt when he found the Staffordshire hoard.

You used threats and behaviour privately to me because you thought i was in on the hoax. ...you should also apologise for your behaviour on here.

And you get on here talking about truthful research - lol - you are a fake yourself.

And now i have that out of my system - time to move on.

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Thanks Sandy, hope see you soon out there!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Pat,

I too hope to see you in Rennes again.

The tomb may be fake, but I do not regret the many friends I have made through the acquaintance of Rene Barnett: Edward Flaherty, Andrea, Ronny Endler, you, Sandy, BIll Kersey, Gloria Amendola, and the Doblers.

I am angry with Ben, because he has hurt others and profited from it. I am not certain if he confessed because it was the 'right thing' to do, or because the game was up, but he did confess...and therein lies a possible path to his redemption.

I am really looking forward to hearing about how he did it.

Next time I see you, I will buy the first case of beer but none of that crap beer you drink (to quote Sandy.) I hope to see you all soon.

Best,
Paul

Forgot to add:

We really need to know WHOSE body he filmed and where it is now, don't you agree? Perhaps Ben can start down his path of redemption by shedding light on this.

People - the tomb was a HOAX. Everything in it was either made or purchased, including the body!!

VAM

so was the body made or purchased?

He told me it was purchased.

VAM

the question is did he buy a real body?

and when did he tell you?

No idea, I sincerely hope it wasn't! And he told me 2 years ago just before we separated. Up until that time, I believed the tomb to be real.

VAM

Hi Vam,

Don't get me wrong, I believe it was all hoaxed. However, that body looks pretty convincing. If purchased as a reproduction, it is quite good. I assume any special effects provider would charge a great deal for it.

Reproduction skulls and hands are easy to come by. But even if reproductions, a good deal of work went into staging them.

But there is also the possibility those body parts are real. Then one must certainly ask whose they are, and where they came from, and what respects are due the decedant.

Best,
Paul

so you've pretty much sat on this info for 2 years?
in hindsight do you think that was right? Sorry, I'm not aware of your personal life with Ben

I am saddened (and a bit disgusted) that he would lie to his own spouse, and presumably children, for so long. Where do you think the funds came from to put all this together?

I had just gone through a less than amicable split from my husband. I don't imagine I would have been believed if, after all my years of supporting him, that I suddenly posted "btw guys, it's all a hoax!"

VAM

I completely understand. You too are a victim.

true you're a bit "damned if you do damned if you don't"

but I quick glance at his page shows you the amount of the "Love and Light/Namaste" brigade of mainly women he has totally and utterly fooled. I know some may say they deserve it for clinging on to whatever scrap comes their way but I'm not sure I could have stood by and said absolutely nothing for all that time

Perhaps, given that her involvement in all this was indirect and none of us have the right to enquire into the details of her divorce we should all accept that VAM is a 'non-com' or a neutral in this instance IMHO.

However, given his last post it would appear that Bill K is either in shock/denial or he still believes in the whole thing despite Ben's statement, which I for one thought was dignified and sincere.
Bill (k) maybe you might want to start by removing that ridiculous tag line now that even Ben has owned up to the hoax. Unless you can actually prove he has some 'genuine discoveries'.
IMHO your presentation at the moot with the box and artefacts in a tesco carrier bag was what did it for me. Imprecise, evasive, inconsistent and contradictory. Whose ever idea that was, it was a fatal one.

TD

you're right, I find Bill K's post just unbelievable a bit like his book now

So, you are saying you visited the tomb Bill ?

I like Bill Kersey a great deal, and I hope he will forgive me for pointing this out, but I believe he was duped, along with the rest of the film crew:

Bill was taken to a location he was TOLD was the tomb site. But if you read Bill's post carefully, you will realize that he DID NOT witness a live filming down the shaft into the alleged tomb. The cable required to do so was missing: I can only imagine that Ben conveniently 'forgot' to bring it.
Paul

Weird to see Ben report "Hair came from a Jewish lady from Jerusalem" on his Facebook page and owning up to his scam. Many disappointed people there.
With this news sinking in, more questions are coming up like what does this mean for Mr Nicolas Haywood who kindly 'authenticated' the tomb and the body on behalf of the Priory of Sion.

Mr Haywood would you like to comment?

Well the book remains on the RLC shelf in my wee library, like it (and I did) or loath it it's part of the RLC history of a mystery. To borrow de Sede's title of his final RLC book Rennes-le-Chateau: le dossier, les impostures, les phantasmes, les hypotheses .
As I've already posted on Facebook, I feel sorry for Sandy and Bill (K).
Paul Smith must be laughing his heid aff.
Nothing has been proved ? I take that back - although it was a double-edged assertion.

"To live outside the law you must be honest."

Bob Dylan - Absolutely Sweet Marie