Ark of the covenant

VeryAngryMother · **Posted:** 16 Mar 2012 2:56 pm

rain wrote:

Ahhh so it's dive headlong and determinedly off the sinking ship - Can't say I'm not happy to hear that 'boutface.

I left that ship as soon as I saw the bloody great hole in it!

rain wrote:

Good for you, Angry Mother careful not to step on the bones you laid waste to in your previous incarnation as defender of the faith.

There's no points on my conscience love, it's as clean as a whistle!

VAM

Thomas D. · **Posted:** 16 Mar 2012 3:13 pm

rain wrote:

Thomas D. wrote:

AG seems to have flourished in the genre by being open and even handed so it would appear that this isn't a fishing trip but he has further back up documentation. Those who threaten legal recourse rather than tackle the issues run the risk of escalating the situation!

Thomas, have you done your due diligance & applied the same strict protocols to actually examining the "evidence"?

Not sure it's quite what it seems.

Not quite sure what you're suggesting here Rainy, though good to see you on such fine form.
My post is self explanatory, though I accept that english isn't your first language.
AG's forum, on which we are all non-paying guests has developed for almost a decade into being amongst the leading RLC forums in this language. If you have seen him in action at the RLC Group meetings you will know him to be patient, even handed and respectful to all opinions. Given this back ground I suspect ( in my post I use words like 'appear' and 'seems' ) that IMHO he hasn't taken this course lightly, negligently nor without further back up documentation.
Now, of course, he could prove me entirely wrong by admitting that he's not a shred of evidence to substantiate his article but IMHO , given his judicious track record I suspect that wont happen, IMHO.

BTW if you're looking to pick a fight on this thread I'd try me first before VAM. You will recall what Kipling said about the female of the species!
TD :lol:

rain · **Posted:** 16 Mar 2012 3:29 pm

Thomas D. wrote:

BTW if you're looking to pick a fight on this thread I'd try me first before VAM. You will recall what Kipling said about the female of the species!

I know what your doing, you're trying to help me. Rest assured it's over and I'll delete the post. Thank-you.

Pilrig · **Posted:** 16 Mar 2012 4:10 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZip7Y_IDqQ

Sheila · **Posted:** 16 Mar 2012 4:18 pm

what's not been proven.... that Saunière wrote notes in terrible Franglais and stuffed them in hidden bottles and couldn't even sign his own name properly ?

Sheila · **Posted:** 16 Mar 2012 4:20 pm

i find it absolutely mind boggling that amateurs and "experts" alike have been taken in by this hoax.

Jean Vié · **Posted:** 16 Mar 2012 4:54 pm

Pilrig wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZip7Y_IDqQ

You're quite right - "nothing has been proved". After all these years, not one iota of proof...

Raven · **Joined:** 01 Nov 2006 2:14 pm **Posts:** 381

bergeredearcadie 29 Jan 2012 5:09 pm wrote:

raven wrote:

I will tell Ben that if he presents me with objectively certifiable evidence of his tomb, I will rectify my criticism with all the publishing might I can mobilize and become his greatest fan.

Raven,

Can i ask you something?

Im not being funny or anything, and i kinda like you but:

1) Why would you be on top of Ben's list to 'supply certifiable evidence' to, after what you and your friends did via your website and the phone call?
2) Why does Ben have to justify anything to such researchers - most of whom seem to deal in fakery and misleading/misrepresentation themselves, or rub shoulders with such people?

And btw - it wasnt Ben who said the filmed Loch Ness was 'something'. According to Ben, it was the investigators at the Loch Ness place who called together a meeting of 7 people to decide whether it was something to look into or not. Of that 7, one person didnt think it was anything.
Ben left the tape with them - he effectively gave it to them - and about a week later they contacted him and said they didnt think it was anything after all. End of.

And tell me, how does videoing something in the Loch Ness prove that the tomb in the Aude valley isnt real?

How about not treating Ben like he has been convicted by a gaggle of RLC jurors

I am glad Andrew posted this story this week, I have reproduced it on my website with his kind permission as I couldn't agree more with him that this nonsense has got to stop. The accused is making us all look like fools. Like Andrew I removed you from the article Sandy.

What I did with my friends through my website and over the phone (to Jean-Pierre Giraud of DRAC of Montpellier and later to his sucessors) is checking the claims of Team Hammott. Because I did so, already in 2008 I knew that the tomb, the bottles and the 'parchments' were poorly made forgeries. All we had to do was to conclude the bleeding obvious. I think Ben needed (in fact needs) to justify himself because he is making money off the backs of the people that believe his lies.

The Loch Ness story is relevant because it is a well documented precedent that follows an identical pattern.

Personally I don't think the Rennes genre is full of people you can't trust and people trying to make money over other people's backs. I found some of my best friends while researching this mystery. Most of them never post on forums or have blogs. Some of them do and they are utterly enjoyable company - including our valued webmaster here. We share the love for history, for France, the land, the stories and this delicate local mystery that has more facets than the biggest diamond. (scuse the cliché)

Had to get that off my chest. That's not a treasure chest. And it's not buried anywhere yet either. And that is true. I can prove it.

hotspur · **Joined:** 19 Feb 2011 12:02 pm **Posts:** 1451

Who has said they have seen the tomb?

Ben? Bill? Sandy? Anyone else?

Sheila · **Posted:** 16 Mar 2012 10:02 pm

Quote:

Berenger Sauniere's Rennes-le-Chateau Spell Book

After having a long talk with someone who knows about a Tiswas and the potency of the spells some contain, I have decided to withdraw the spell book from sale while I carry out more research on this book.

I will instead post an article about the spell book in due course.

I apologize for my naivety in this matter to those that have preordered a copy and your payment has now been refunded in full.

Renne · **Posted:** 17 Mar 2012 1:15 am

Thomas D. wrote:
"AG seems to have flourished in the genre by being open and even handed so it would appear that this isn't a
fishing trip but he has further back up documentation."

No he doesn`t.

Viking Lake Monster rune stone.

Pat · **Joined:** 24 May 2007 6:04 pm **Posts:** 242

It was me!!!! Whats the point?

BULLDOGNIC · **Joined:** 24 Apr 2008 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1872

Anyone who has read Ben/Bill's book will remember the section where he states:-

Quote:

As we have recently seen, Rennes researchers have been rther ferociously passing judgement on some papers that the Ben Hammott team had the exciting opportunity to locate and unravel.
The most ferocious attacks have occurred on two websites - Arcadia, run by Andrew Gough & the Rennes-le-Chateau Research and Resource site run by a character called Raven. ( Corjan De Raaf ). They have a vested interest in not being seen to support English researchers, as they work closely with French counterparts who have no wish to see the Hammott research expanded upon. We thought researchers would be interested in helping us solve any 'riddles' and that they would be excited regarding these finds.
However, there has been accusation after accusation, with our integrity called into question, and the repeated attacks suggest outright that we have hoaxed the whole affair, and that we are nothing but liars and fraudsters!

Taken from "Lost Tomb of the Knights Templar" by Ben Hammott, copyright holder Ben Hammott.
Regards
Nic

lovuian · **Posted:** 17 Mar 2012 2:44 am

I will state that my only part in this
was that Ben asked to use a photo I took at St Louis Cathedral in New Orleans for his book.
I did give him permission for that

Ben seemed a very nice fello and the movie was on TV here in the states and in LA
I did write an article for Rhedesium which Sandy was very nice to do

Thomas D. · **Posted:** 17 Mar 2012 7:32 am

Renne wrote:

Thomas D. wrote:
"AG seems to have flourished in the genre by being open and even handed so it would appear that this isn't a
fishing trip but he has further back up documentation."

No he doesn`t.

Viking Lake Monster rune stone.

Another heavyweight contribution, Renne!
Is this a statement of fact or did the 'IMHO' not survive the cut and paste?
In the absence of anyone from Team H willing or able to offer a rebuttal are you the self
appointed spokesperson?
TD :lol:

Thomas D. · **Posted:** 17 Mar 2012 7:34 am

Pat wrote:

It was me!!!! Whats the point?

Is now a good time to ask the 'pink granite' question again Pat?

TD :lol:

Raven · **Joined:** 01 Nov 2006 2:14 pm **Posts:** 381

BULLDOGNIC wrote:

Anyone who has read Ben/Bill's book will remember the section where he states:-

Quote:

As we have recently seen, Rennes researchers have been rther ferociously passing judgement on some papers that the Ben Hammott team had the exciting opportunity to locate and unravel.
The most ferocious attacks have occurred on two websites - Arcadia, run by Andrew Gough & the Rennes-le-Chateau Research and Resource site run by a character called Raven. ( Corjan De Raaf ). They have a vested interest in not being seen to support English researchers, as they work closely with French counterparts who have no wish to see the Hammott research expanded upon. We thought researchers would be interested in helping us solve any 'riddles' and that they would be excited regarding these finds.
However, there has been accusation after accusation, with our integrity called into question, and the repeated attacks suggest outright that we have hoaxed the whole affair, and that we are nothing but liars and fraudsters!

Taken from "Lost Tomb of the Knights Templar" by Ben Hammott, copyright holder Ben Hammott.
Regards
Nic

ROTF LMAO - a vested interest in not being seen to support English researchers?!
Well he says it, so it must be true

Pilrig · **Posted:** 17 Mar 2012 8:57 am

Sheila wrote:

Quote:

Berenger Sauniere's Rennes-le-Chateau Spell Book

After having a long talk with someone who knows about a Tiswas and the potency of the spells some contain, I have decided to withdraw the spell book from sale while I carry out more research on this book.

I will instead post an article about the spell book in due course.

I apologize for my naivety in this matter to those that have preordered a copy and your payment has now been refunded in full.

Or perhaps Berenger Sauniere's Spelling Book ?
:lol:

Sheila · **Posted:** 17 Mar 2012 7:04 pm

Aside from the "cashing in on the bandwagon" aspect...the question remains...has Wilkinson been duped by parties unknown ?

lovuian · **Posted:** 17 Mar 2012 7:06 pm

Thomas D. wrote:

Pat wrote:

It was me!!!! Whats the point?

Is now a good time to ask the 'pink granite' question again Pat?

TD :lol:

I too would be interested in the rose marble slab
talked about in the movie

Jean Vié · **Posted:** 17 Mar 2012 7:39 pm

Hasn't the perpetrator of the tomb hoax committed a criminal offence contrary to section 2 of the Fraud Act 2006...??

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/35/section/2

Sheila · **Posted:** 17 Mar 2012 7:49 pm

gov.uk ? ....the "tomb" is on the territory of gouv.fr.... !

BillKersey · **Posted:** 17 Mar 2012 8:37 pm

Sheila wrote:

BillKersey wrote:

Roger wrote:

Someone on a French language forum just put up a legible photo of one of the "parchments". Hilarious! It shows syntax errors that are typical of an English person attempting to write in French... I'd have thought that a Hollywood production company could afford to hire a native speaker, but I guess not! I guess the devil truly is in the details.

.
Thank you for your remarks, however, it is unfortunate that the Priest is not around to respond to your criticism of his handywork. Those documents that he wrote are highly cryptic and contain subtle coding and unexpected word grouping designed to confuse the unwary. It obviously worked, though encrypted a century ago. It has, for the most part achieved some of his objectives in revealing his hidden caches in a logical sequence. Thanks to the diligence of our research team ably led by Ben Hammott. However there is yet more therin. Our researches continue, fortunately.
Bill Kersey.

Thank you Sheila for mentioning this episode where the Priest Sauniere left some valuable documents for this generation to deal with and I confirm that these documents have proved to be functional when you walk the ground of RLC as Sauniere and others have done. One of the associated documents was placed by a bad guy who was in an opposing group bent on murder and mayhem during that era. Though actually placed then with the desire to confuse anyone searching , the message and the object that bottle contained was specially placed to thwart our efforts to discover the truth together with the artefacts that the baddies were hell-bent on keeping hidden from the light of day. All my dealings with Ben Hammott verified that he was trustworthy on all aspects of this project.
This is the one project that we have jointly undertaken and I have no cause to find any fault.
The project was subject to attack from many side by those with limited understanding and as I have much to add in my next book I will refrain from publication until this spat is over.
On the other subject of the Ark of the Covenant there could well be more than the only genuine ark now in the Jerusalem area, a copy in Ethiopia one we all enjoyed in the film 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' and as many other copies as have been invented in the past. I have of course conducted my own researches in this matter and convinced that no more information regarding the genuine artefact and associated items will be released by the Israeli Authorities at this politically sensitive and critical time for obvious reasons.

Renne · **Posted:** 17 Mar 2012 10:45 pm

I`m waiting for your new book Bill!

The next information that you hear about this case will not be coming from Andrew, but someone else.

The original posts were made by someone using a pseudonym.

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