Arcadia Discussion Zone

Raven,

Can i ask you something?

Im not being funny or anything, and i kinda like you but:

1) Why would you be on top of Ben's list to 'supply certifiable evidence' to, after what you and your friends did via your website and the phone call?
2) Why does Ben have to justify anything to such researchers - most of whom seem to deal in fakery and misleading/misrepresentation themselves, or rub shoulders with such people?

And btw - it wasnt Ben who said the filmed Loch Ness was 'something'. According to Ben, it was the investigators at the Loch Ness place who called together a meeting of 7 people to decide whether it was something to look into or not. Of that 7, one person didnt think it was anything.
Ben left the tape with them - he effectively gave it to them - and about a week later they contacted him and said they didnt think it was anything after all. End of.

And tell me, how does videoing something in the Loch Ness prove that the tomb in the Aude valley isnt real?

How about not treating Ben like he has been convicted by a gaggle of RLC jurors

Also I don’t think its fair to implicate others, he mentions Sandy and Bill and I have stated my case in the past concerning Sandy, she has never at any time done, said or written anything to give the impression that she is in anyway dishonest, we have all gotten to know her over the years and I personally find her down to earth, straight forward and genuine in her passion for the RLC mystery, she has probably studied this more than any of us on here and its not fair to implicate her simply for being his friend. I don’t think I am the only one that thinks that either.

So Andy, please take my name out of that article .....or i will see whether i have recourse for damages against you.

So why are you throwing the above in her face now? She has just acknowledged that her trust was breached. To me that means that any previous defending was done in the context of trust for her friend and should not be used against her, particularly when all she has ultimately done is report what Ben has led her to believe, rather than specifically claiming anything herself.

And btw - it wasnt Ben who said the filmed Loch Ness was 'something'. According to Ben, it was the investigators at the Loch Ness place who called together a meeting of 7 people to decide whether it was something to look into or not. Of that 7, one person didnt think it was anything.
Ben left the tape with them - he effectively gave it to them - and about a week later they contacted him and said they didnt think it was anything after all. End of.

And tell me, how does videoing something in the Loch Ness prove that the tomb in the Aude valley isnt real?

Bill Wilkinson, supported by his brother, Mick, presented a video of what they claimed to be the Loch Ness Monster to a team of specialists.../..
Shine also mentioned that he visited the Loch at the location where Wilkinson indicated he had filmed ‘Nessie’.../..
Wilkinson subsequently attempted to sell the video of “Nessie” to various newspapers.../..
a letter from Shine dated 25th September, which described Wilkinson’s effort as, “a well constructed hoax”.

I wasn't talking about Sandy, i quoted her latest post on the subject we were discussing, which was about Wilkinson and his hoaxes, Sandy has been his spokesperson on this forum for at least five years, if there has been a hoax, or several hoaxes, they should be discussed.

Sandy,
I've read AG's post a number of times and cannot see your name anywhere

And VAM I would hate to think she misses the party because we've failed to extend an invitation. I seem to remember a comment about "I believe if you dish it out you should be able to take it"

Sandy,
I've read AG's post a number of times and cannot see your name anywhere.
You seem as pugnacious as ever but as far as I can see you're not mentioned by name.
However its late and my eyesight isn't what it was so please direct me to where he uses your name.

I have of course spoken to Ben. What has been discussed regarding these issues is not for public perusal - but let us just say i am very angry.

If that tomb in France turns out to be a hoax too - i have not been party to that either, or the bottles, parchments - the whole damn thing. I simply trusted Ben.

Tina, if it's been removed, why have you put it up again...??

Sandy, when you say you are 'very angry', is this angry with Ben for duping you and you now know the truth, or angry with Andy for lumping you in with 'Team Hammott'? And when you say you 'simply trusted Ben', does this mean you no longer trust Ben?

I'm afraid that you will probably find that people associate you with Ben Hammott and Bill Kersey (and, therefore, the so-called 'Team Hammott') following your appearance with them and the bottles in the Bloodline film. (Although I must say that I was pleased to see that you were trying to advise Ben to take more care with the bottles, rather than the cack-handed way he was dealing with them. In my view, no-one should have dealt with them, other than professionals with some archaeological credence.) You then supported Ben in his discoveries on this forum. And you and Bill Kersey attended the Arcadia Moot (in 2008?), together with the famous box and the vial to show to everyone.

For what it's worth, from what you say I think you have been duped and if I were you I would be extremely angry and feel very betrayed. If you are saying you are innocent of any knowledge of wrong-doing or any complicity (which is what you appear to be saying), I think you must do it in a more robust way. As I say, I think the wider public (who take an interest in RLC) associate you with Ben Hammott and if you do not want to be associated with him or his so-called 'discoveries', now is the time to disassociate yourself.

for TDs benefit obviously and anyone else who missed it

I've never been one to turn down an invite love!

VAM

AG seems to have flourished in the genre by being open and even handed so it would appear that this isn't a fishing trip but he has further back up documentation. Those who threaten legal recourse rather than tackle the issues run the risk of escalating the situation!

Hi Sandy,

I forgot to say that congratulations are in order not only for Ben but also for his loyal defenders - you, Bill Kersey, Pat, Bruce, Rene, and others (all of whom I am proud to count amongst my friends.)

Warmly,
A. Nesos

Just got my copy today; looking forward to starting it. Impressive number of photos, and some intriguing chapter headings.

One little oddity. My copy has a handwritten dedication from Ben on the inside cover, addressed to some fella called "Paul (Pete)". Sorry Paul(Pete), whoever you may be, but if you want to swap copies let me know. In the meantime, I'll try not to spill anything on it.

Will look forward to reading it over the weekend. Well done to Ben for writing it and getting it published.

I've got news for you JB1717: I am Paul (Pete.) You obviously did not stop to consider the idea that I would be horrified to hear a tale - satirical or not - of how my friend dies face down on the very pages were words of our mutual friendship are inscribed. Fantasies about the murder of a forum member - any forum member - have no place in a moderated group. I have written Andy and Stephen to express my concerns about the content of your post. Your comments are not merely distasteful and childish. They are disturbing.

Hello Richard.Webster,
I've been in touch with Ben and he is going to send me a copy with a new inscription.
The story is simple: Ben and I recently spent some time together exploring RLC (with other friends.) He took to calling me Pete to be funny. It was.
If you decide you want a new copy let me know. I'll make the arrangements and pay the expense. Otherwise, JB is right about one thing: yours is surely destined to become the most valuable of the first-editions!

Hi Richard,
Thank you for your reply. It made me laugh. Enjoy your copy of the book. Have you delved much into it yet? If so, do you have some preliminary thoughts/comments?

Kind Regards,
A. Nesos (aka Paul, aka Pete)

do you have a comment about your past intimate involvement with "the alleged hoaxees"

So, my question is....is this A. Nesos (aka Paul, aka Pete) the same chap that turns up in Ben's early adventures in RLC....?

It was on my second trip to Rennes-le-Chateau that I discovered the Tomb, though I did not realise this at the time. I would only find out later when I reviewed the video footage. (The full story is on my website.) But on that very same night of the day I had found the site pointed to by the clues I had solved from Sauniere's church, I was sitting in 'Le Pommes Bleu' restaurant, drinking beer. There was only me, my brother, the owner and another man present. I was having trouble ringing the UK so when I heard the stranger talking in English, I asked him if he knew the correct code to ring the UK. He did and so told me. We got chatting and he told me he was a writing a book about the Rennes-le-Chateau Mystery, he did tell me his name but it went in one ear and straight out the other, I blame the booze, but I will call him Pete here to save confusion. Anyway Pete goes on to say he is here doing research and after I told him we were here trying to solve the mystery, hoping to find Sauniere's treasure if any still remained, I let slip that we had managed to decipher some of Saunière's church clues that led to a location in the surrounding hills. He seemed to get very excited at this point and attempted to push me for more information, what clues, how did I solve them, where did they lead to? He obviously thought this would be good material for his book, an idea that I did not share. I got the feeling I should have kept quiet about my discovery.

When he realised I was not going to divulge anymore, he seemed happy to change the subject. After another beer and a couple of vodkas that he insisted on buying for me (I wasn't about to refuse free drinks, it's just not what we British do), he returned to the the subject of my discovery, again asking me what clues I had used and where was it. When I told him I wasn't going to tell him, obviously annoyed that his ruse to pump me full of alcohol had failed, he became insistent, angry. I remember staring at him with my alcohol blurred eyes, he must have ordered me doubles, surprised at his sudden change of tone. I had heard that there were some strange and not very nice people involved in the Rennes-le-Chateau mystery, and looking at the man opposite me, I believed I had met my first. I wondered if this was the same man Henry Lincoln had a run in with a few years back, but I wasn't about to stay and find out, so making our excuses my brother and I left.