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 Post subject: Re: Coincidence Right?
PostPosted: 15 Mar 2012 12:50 pm 
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Sheila,

I am confused.

You post two versions of the text, viz:


1. lettre de Granes. découverte d'un tombeau, le soir pluie.

2. 21. découverte d'un tombeau, rain in the evening

Can you clarify which it is.

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Sept 21. lettre de Granes. découverte d'un tombeau, le soir pluie.

you have quoted me out of context, as is your want...the second line you quote above was from a discussion on the weather report over the month, which was why i did not translate the line written in French as that line is in contention as it can be translated two ways.... which you would understand if you actually paid attention to what is being discussed.


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An underground structure wouldn't be referred to as a tombeau. They're above-ground monuments.

In that case it should be easy to find but will be impossible I guess. There aren't many abouve-ground tombeaus in the vincinity. That one at Les Pontils f.i. can't be the one Sauniere had found as it was built in 1903.


I wouldn't give much credence to the story in regards to the date of the tomb. Imho the entire story was a ploy to keep people away from the area.

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Last try:

1. Découverte d'un tombeau = discovery of a tombeau - and no, it may NOT mean "to uncover". Découverte is a NOUN (it would be different if he would have written "un tombeau découvert". BUT he has written it as a noun. Sorry.

2. Out of the whole entry made for the 21 Sep one CANNOT read whether S discovered it or somebody else.


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Sheila wrote:
Sept 21. lettre de Granes. découverte d'un tombeau, le soir pluie.

you have quoted me out of context, as is your want.



Sheila,

I have not quoted you out of context.

Where you reproduced the English translation of the diary, you left out lettre de Granes. That's what's confused me.

I am not having a go at you - I merely asked if you could clarify this point and you now have.

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fmh999 wrote:
Last try:

1. Découverte d'un tombeau = discovery of a tombeau - and no, it may NOT mean "to uncover". Découverte is a NOUN (it would be different if he would have written "un tombeau découvert". BUT he has written it as a noun. Sorry.

2. Out of the whole entry made for the 21 Sep one CANNOT read whether S discovered it or somebody else.



fmh999,

I agree with you here.

It is not clear who discovered the tomb, but it it does not preclude discovery by Sauniere.

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 Post subject: Re: Coincidence Right?
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I wouldn't give much credence to the story in regards to the date of the tomb. Imho the entire story was a ploy to keep people away from the area.


Right, create an elaborate story like this to keep people away... :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Coincidence Right?
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roscoe wrote:
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Menhirs Jean and Jeanne (Belle Ile )
Named after a Shepherd and Shepherdess

Belle Ile was once owned by Nicolas Fouquet

The ratio of 400miles to 247miles is

1.618 to 1

i.e. The Golden section PHI

Coincidence Right?


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I presume what you find interesting is that 400 divided by 247 is 1.619433, whereas the Golden Section is 1.618033...??

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 Post subject: Re: Coincidence Right?
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lovuian wrote:
roscoe wrote:
Image



Image

Menhirs Jean and Jeanne (Belle Ile )
Named after a Shepherd and Shepherdess

Belle Ile was once owned by Nicolas Fouquet

The ratio of 400miles to 247miles is

1.618 to 1

i.e. The Golden section PHI

Coincidence Right?


Interesting Roscoe


Yes those Druids were busy people speaking the true Celtic language and creating Le Cromleck de France

Of course the Church tried to rub all this out.

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"Before all else, I denounce and contest, that you shall observe no sacrilegious pagan customs. For no cause or infirmity should you consult magicians, diviners, sorcerers or incantators, or presume to question them because any man who commits such evil will immediately lose the sacrament of baptism. Do not observe auguries or violent sneezing or pay attention to any little birds singing along the road. If you are distracted on the road or at any other work, make the sign of the cross and say your Sunday prayers with faith and devotion and nothing inimical can hurt you. No Christian should be concerned about which day he leaves home or which day he returns because God has made all days. No influence attaches to the first work of the day or the [phase of the] moon; nothing is ominous or ridiculous about the Calends of January. [Do not] make [figures of?] vetulas, little deer or iotticos or set tables at night or exchange New Years' gifts or supply superfluous drinks. No Christian believes impurity or sits in incantation, because the work is diabolic. No Christian on the feast of Saint John or the solemnity of any other saint performs solestitia [solstice rites?] or dancing or leaping or diabolical chants. No Christian should presume to invoke the name of a demon, not Neptune or Orcus or Diana or Minerva or Geniscus or believe in these inept beings in any way. No one should observe Jove's day in idleness without holy festivities not in May or any other time, not days of larvae or mice or any day but Sunday. No Christian should make or render any devotion to the gods of the trivium, where three roads meet, to the fanes or the rocks, or springs or groves or corners."

The Life of St. Eligius, 588-660
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Mapping the landscape was an act of worship.

It is even present at Rennes le Chateau

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What do you suppose these sighting holes in La Tour d'Alchemie (The Alchemy Tower) were for.

See THE SECRET below

Look at the churches on THE SECRET, now look at the church of St Roch in Paris

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Located next to the metro station Pyramides on the Rue des Pyramides. The angle is the same angle as the slope of the Great Pyramid of Giza. The first stone of the Church of Saint Roch was laid by Louis XIV in 1653, accompanied by his mother Anne of Austria. Louis was a wee bairn. Anne was regent. Louis XIV was of course known as the le Roi-Soleil for no apparent reason according to those here present on this forum.

Remember that a statue of St Roch is in the church at Rennes le Chateau.

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 Post subject: Re: Coincidence Right?
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rs2008 wrote:
I presume what you find interesting is that 400 divided by 247 is 1.619433, whereas the Golden Section is 1.618033...??


Hmm! 0.4 of a mile out over 400 miles (0.1% error), must all be rubbish then ay?

'course I don't know which megalith to choose on Belle Ile and we don't know if the Church authorities got the position of their Basilicas in the right place in their attempt at the ethnic cleansing of the previous religions.

Thinks. Wonder if this can be achieved today.

So why was Saunière interested in NEMETONS?

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"François Béranger Saunière, Priest at: Aude, town of Rennes."
These works were entitled:

1) "the Prophecy of the Popes allotted to S. Malachy". By Joseph Main.
2) "History of the Large Forests of Gaule and Old France". By L.F. Alfred ©.
3) "Celtic Monuments. Or Research on the Worship of the Stones. Preceded by a note on the Celts and Druids, and followed Celtic etymologies ". By Mr. Camby.


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“Two contrary desires share my heart, glory to publish all that at the great day, and to jealously keep this treasure without ever saying anything. My whole life needs to hesitate and I awake in the same moment that I die….. By the celibacy which is imposed on them the priests are the best guards of treasures than one can conceive…..A priest, because it is concerned [with] Sky and Earth, must meditate on the relationships of astronomy with the geography…..With the difference in the phenomena which should be seen to believe, Cromleck of RLB [Rennes les Bains] is seen only when one believes in it, nothing is really proven there, not even the roulers or hones it posed which will appear readily to the whims of nature.”
de Cherisey knew

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 Post subject: Re: Coincidence Right?
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Sheila wrote:
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Sept 21. lettre de Granes. découverte d'un tombeau, le soir pluie.



Hmm! Nice accents over those words.

Meticulous our favourite Curé wasn't he n 'est-ce pas?

Wonder why he had a lapse here eight days later:

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roscoe wrote:
lovuian wrote:
roscoe wrote:
Image



Image

Menhirs Jean and Jeanne (Belle Ile )
Named after a Shepherd and Shepherdess

Belle Ile was once owned by Nicolas Fouquet

The ratio of 400miles to 247miles is

1.618 to 1

i.e. The Golden section PHI

Coincidence Right?


Interesting Roscoe


Yes those Druids were busy people speaking the true Celtic language and creating Le Cromleck de France

Of course the Church tried to rub all this out.

Quote:
"Before all else, I denounce and contest, that you shall observe no sacrilegious pagan customs. For no cause or infirmity should you consult magicians, diviners, sorcerers or incantators, or presume to question them because any man who commits such evil will immediately lose the sacrament of baptism. Do not observe auguries or violent sneezing or pay attention to any little birds singing along the road. If you are distracted on the road or at any other work, make the sign of the cross and say your Sunday prayers with faith and devotion and nothing inimical can hurt you. No Christian should be concerned about which day he leaves home or which day he returns because God has made all days. No influence attaches to the first work of the day or the [phase of the] moon; nothing is ominous or ridiculous about the Calends of January. [Do not] make [figures of?] vetulas, little deer or iotticos or set tables at night or exchange New Years' gifts or supply superfluous drinks. No Christian believes impurity or sits in incantation, because the work is diabolic. No Christian on the feast of Saint John or the solemnity of any other saint performs solestitia [solstice rites?] or dancing or leaping or diabolical chants. No Christian should presume to invoke the name of a demon, not Neptune or Orcus or Diana or Minerva or Geniscus or believe in these inept beings in any way. No one should observe Jove's day in idleness without holy festivities not in May or any other time, not days of larvae or mice or any day but Sunday. No Christian should make or render any devotion to the gods of the trivium, where three roads meet, to the fanes or the rocks, or springs or groves or corners."

The Life of St. Eligius, 588-660
St Eligius, spiritual advisor to the Merovingian kings


Mapping the landscape was an act of worship.

It is even present at Rennes le Chateau

Image

What do you suppose these sighting holes in La Tour d'Alchemie (The Alchemy Tower) were for.

See THE SECRET below

Look at the churches on THE SECRET, now look at the church of St Roch in Paris

Image
Located next to the metro station Pyramides on the Rue des Pyramides. The angle is the same angle as the slope of the Great Pyramid of Giza. The first stone of the Church of Saint Roch was laid by Louis XIV in 1653, accompanied by his mother Anne of Austria. Louis was a wee bairn. Anne was regent. Louis XIV was of course known as the le Roi-Soleil for no apparent reason according to those here present on this forum.

Remember that a statue of St Roch is in the church at Rennes le Chateau.

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 Post subject: Re: Coincidence Right?
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Meticulous our favourite Curé wasn't he n 'est-ce pas?


...no Saunière wasn't meticulous...i gave you some examples.

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Saunière writes Metairie...when it should be Métairie with an accent.
He also wrote recolte...when it should be récolte with an accent.
He writes Medecin without an accent and Médecin with an accent.


...and lest we forget, Mr Wilkinson's bits of paper that Team Hammott took out of the bottles had Saunière's signature written with the accent the other way round ! ....so either Saunière couldn't spell his own name properly or whoever hoaxed the bottle contents couldn't read what they were meant to be forging....


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Sheila wrote:
roscoe wrote:
Meticulous our favourite Curé wasn't he n 'est-ce pas?


...no Saunière wasn't meticulous...i gave you some examples.

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Saunière writes Metairie...when it should be Métairie with an accent.
He also wrote recolte...when it should be récolte with an accent.
He writes Medecin without an accent and Médecin with an accent.


...and lest we forget, Mr Wilkinson's bits of paper that Team Hammott took out of the bottles had Saunière's signature written with the accent the other way round ! ....so either Saunière couldn't spell his own name properly or whoever hoaxed the bottle contents couldn't read what they were meant to be forging....


Yes but he wrote the word Secret (sans accents) and until you offer OTHER EVIDENCE to support the conjecture that he meant something other than THAN THE WORD HE ACTUALLY WROTE no amount of waffle from you is going to change my opinion - SAVVY?

After 30 years in this subject I recognize B__SH_T when I see it and I've become immune to it.

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As well as writing médecin...Saunière also wrote medecin...that's a fact, just like the other examples i gave you...i have no axe to grind, just stating it as it is.


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As well as writing médecin...Saunière also wrote medecin...that's a fact, just like the other examples i gave you...i have no axe to grind, just stating it as it is.


And what pray does this have to do with the actual word he wrote down on 29th September 1891?

Look you just don't get it do you?

He wrote down the word SECRET end of story and until until YOU show OTHER EVIDENCE that he meant something other than the f_____g word he wrote down ON THE 29th SEPTEMBER (FEAST OF ST MICHAEL) then all you're doing here is endless waffle, destroying my thread and pissing me off.


GOT IT????????

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I think sheila is merely pointing out that on occaisions it would seem he wasn't always 100% grammatically accurate so that is a possibilty. Can you not see that perspective?


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Saunière wrote in his journal M. Vic. Gen. Cros, relat. au service de Granes .........which actually means Monsieur Vicaire Général Cros, relatif au service de Granes.

....that example contains abbreviations and lack of accents and that is a fact.


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its like trying to teach a pig to tap dance :lol: :lol:


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It's okay...i've made my point.... i will leave it alone now.


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its like trying to teach a pig to tap dance :lol: :lol:


Much more difficult than that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOO64SA1CVM


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its like trying to teach a pig to tap dance :lol: :lol:


It frustrates you and annoys the pig. :lol: I love that saying :!:

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Sheila wrote:
Saunière wrote in his journal M. Vic. Gen. Cros, relat. au service de Granes .........which actually means Monsieur Vicaire Général Cros, relatif au service de Granes.

....that example contains abbreviations and lack of accents and that is a fact.



And on 29th September 1891 Saunière wrote this

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In his diary

And no obfuscations, B__sh_t, and downright wishful thinking will change a single thing.

He said SECRET.

Now here's what you do now. You find OTHER EVIDENCE to confirm that he really meant something else ON THAT DAY.

It matters not in the slightest what he said elsewhere and on other days.

YOU DO NOT CHANGE DATA TO SUIT YOUR FANTASIES

GOT IT?????

Now shut the f__k up about this.

Oh I'm going to enjoy myself when you lot start discussing something.

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