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So did other families claiming to have had a fish-tailed ancestress. It was a popular myth that actually started with the Lusignans.




Yeah, probably indicative of her reptilian lineage, rather than anything so mundane as the fact that the Tudors were Welsh:



Because that wouldn't be interesting at all...



Oh boy, here we go, headed straight into Nick Weir territory...

TCP

Yep!

She's insisting that it really means a word THAT'S NOT THERE.

She offers no other evidence that she would need to CHANGE THE MEANING.

Let me ask you a question.

Let's just suppose for one second that Saunière wanted to say the word Secret, how would he write it?

A close study of Saunière's diary shows that he was meticulous in putting in accents.

She even shot herself in the foot here


The word Secrét here clearly has an accent over the letter 'e'

Here's the bottom line. Show me other evidence that the FACTS need to be changed here and I'll be happy to comply, meanwhile shut the f__k up on my thread about utter trivia.

You've made the rules now, do you actually think from now on that you will be allowed to discuss anything on this forum? Every time you strike up a conversation from now on I'll change it . Remember YOU made the rules.

Note the angle to La Tour d'Alchemie


The church of St Michael Esperaza.

Note the angle of the sword. The Silbury Hill - Tour d'Alchemie line.


Other picture of St Michael slaying the Lord of the Earth. - Rex Mundi

Picture by Raphael but no pictures of St Michael by Michaelangelo.


Here's another showing the Silbury Hill - Lourdes line. Chapel of Angels Saint Sulpice.

Grow up Roscoe, she has shown you evidence over and OVER again but your OCD brain refuses to accept common sense. Re read it again with your blinkers off........and STOP MAKING THREATS AY

let's suppose some more. If Sauniere had this big, big secret do you think he would write something down to remind himself?

same for the diary entry.
It just does not ring true to me if you follow it in the context of a mystery
It's almost like "Had eggs for breakfast, Marie was grumpy, it rained...oh and found a tomb containing the greatest secret in the world"

YEP!

To remind himself what he discussed, when and with whom.

Now why don't you go discuss this over in your new IBJ sheep pen forum?

that's a pretty weak argument, IMO, you use to support a rather outlandish theory

Oh you think so. Thanks for that. Well OK maybe now you'll sod off with this trivia.

Glastonbury Tor (with St Michael's Tower on the top) with the Roslin - St Salveur line.

Saunière wrote Secret. with a full-stop, which is an abbreviation of Secrètaire and he wrote Dép. which is an abbreviation for Départ just like he wrote...lettre de M. Vic. Gen. Cros, relat. au service de Granes ......... which is an abbreviation for lettre de M. Vicaire Général Cros, relatif au service de Granes....

Saunière writes Metairie...when it should be Métairie He also wrote recolte abîmé...when it should be récolte abîmé He writes Medecin without an accent and Médecin with an accent......

please note abbreviations, full stops and lack of appropriate accents....this shows that in this journal there are no hard and fast rules to using an accent in the correct place.

I don't see why you call it trivial when i point out to newcomers on this forum that there is no secret being mentioned on the page of this journal. Saunière reported everything in his own transparent way...there is no cover-up.

If you still don't understand Roscoe i could take a leaf out of your book and write it in giant red letters.

I thought you were the one that was bored with everyone here, aren't you going to "sod off"

you know, you act like a spoilt little child that has had it's lollipop taken away as soon as anyone questions your "30 years of research"
maybe you're worried you may have wasted your time

If I'd a secret then I would keep silent and not talk about it nor mention it in my diary. I'd know it anyway. It is childish to write down: "I have a secret." (but I won't tell ya )

exactly, same for the "Oh I found a tomb" - if taken in the context of a great mystery would Sauniere write that down? If it was a secret of immense power would he just leave a casual reference to it?
People are seeing what they want to see and that's a mystery and we all love a mystery. If there was no mystery to refer to the entries would be seen for what they probably are, banal, everyday entries.
When you get taken in by a great story it can be sometimes hard to use a perspective that may contradict this great story especially if you have been believing it whole heartedly for a very long time. I'm sure HL realised quite long ago that the Sauniere story was sketchy to say the least and instead looked for something else to justify the effort he had expended on it. And you could say he found soomething, whether it is coincidence or whether it is part of a bigger picture that does actually involve Sauniere is another much deeper question. As it stands at the moment I would say much of the Sauniere story is fabrication, exaggeration and manipulation. Someone has/is manipulating history here. Why is again a big question. But you need to be prepared to use this perspective to get anywhere near the truth

Couldn't have said it better myself. Kudos, Davinho, well put.

TCP

Indicators of a Delusion


1. The person expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force.

2. That idea appears to exert an undue influence on the person's life, and the way of life is often altered to an inexplicable extent.

3. Despite her/his profound conviction, there is often a quality of secretiveness or suspicion when the person is questioned about it.

4. The person tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief.

5. There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange things are happening to her/him, the person accepts them relatively unquestioningly.

6. An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility.

7. The belief is, at the least, unlikely, and out of keeping with the person's social, cultural and religious background.

8. The person is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of their psyche.

9. The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs.

10. Individuals who know the person observe that the belief and behavior are uncharacteristic and alien.


Features

The following features are found:

1. It is a primary disorder.

2. It is a stable disorder characterized by the presence of delusions to which the person clings with extraordinary tenacity.

3. The illness is chronic and frequently lifelong.

4. The delusions are logically constructed and internally consistent.

5. The delusions do not interfere with general logical reasoning (although within the delusional system the logic is perverted) and there is usually no general disturbance of behavior. If disturbed behavior does occur, it is directly related to the delusional beliefs.

6. The individual experiences a heightened sense of self-reference. Events which, to others, are nonsignificant are of enormous significance to her or him, and the atmosphere surrounding the delusions is highly charged.

I think Saunière wrote "découverte d'un tombeau" in his journal. Do we agree with that? So it is there, written by him. In his journal.

Then Sheila tried to make you belief that this expression may also mean something else and that it had to do with the heavy rains or storms or wind etc. - which does not make sense if you look really close at it.

So we have the fact that Saunière wrote that sentence in his journal. Interesting is to speculate about the reason why.

1. It does not say wether that tombeau is important or not, it just say that a person discovered it. If it was Saunière, then he probably located it in the western part of the cemetery (where his own "old" tomb first was). Such a discovery would without doubt merit a note in his journal. Saunière was not the "master mind" and illuminated person everybody wants to see. He was a puppet used by others. There is no "Saunière" secret. But it can be that he found such a tombeau and also wrote that down in his journal (for what else would he had used then a journal if not to mention such daily things??). Personally I strongly believe that he located at that time such an underground structure in the cemetery (that by the way is still there today!).

2. As the sentence does not say who really discovered it, it could also be, that he heard about that event or got if from a letter he received. Still merit to be put in a journal. No problem. Again: the sentence "découverte d'un tombeau" does not automatically may have a link to big secret of RLC. But fact is, someone discovered a tombeau and Saunière noted that.

So as a summary: I agree that nobody would put a "secret" information in his journal. No brainer. But nevertheless the expression découverte d'un tombeau is interesting as somebody discovered such a tombeau (not standard tomb).

This short 1-page thread from late 2009 addresses the possibility that the Granes referred to in that particular diary entry isn't the little hamlet we know from our trips up to Bezu from the Aude Valley road, but another place of that name, near Montauban. Only a possibility, but it interested me at the time, so I thought it was worth mentioning again.

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Did we exhaust the possibility of tombeau as a funerary musical composition yet?



Here's another thing to consider - a tombeau rests above ground, it would have been rather hard to miss had it been on the property.

TCP

I don't have the full diary with me at the moment, but does Sauniere actually say that the tomb was 'discovered' in the graveyard at RLC. He could just as easily found a paupers grave on unconsecrated ground while he was out collecting stones for example. As Tim mentions, I would think he would notice a grave within the property. Also, having been in the RLC graveyard a few times, I have never seen evidence of subsidence except for next to the church wall and the opposite side of the graveyard is on such a high incline that an underground chamber would be hard to support. I believe there are also quite a few recent tunnels that have been dug around that area, none of which have led to such an opening. Now directly beneath the church aisle/pulpit may be a different matter?
Regards
Nic

So who are we talking about here, me or Sheila?

It says SECRET

Now other evidence is required to change this meaning otherwise one has to take what's right in front of ones eyes.

It seems to be an obsession that some people think they can persuade me that I'm wrong here.

Not without thoroughly ruffling things up first.

Oh and by the way, thanks for continually bumping this thread up to the top of the list continuously so I can preach.

Menhirs Jean and Jeanne (Belle Ile )
Named after a Shepherd and Shepherdess

Belle Ile was once owned by Nicolas Fouquet

The ratio of 400miles to 247miles is

1.618 to 1

i.e. The Golden section PHI

Coincidence Right?

Not necessarily I would say. Un train peut en cacher un autre.