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SAINT MICHAEL


“Vu Curé de Névian, Chez Géllis, Chez Carrière, Vu Cros et SECRET.”

Saunière wrote this in his diary on September 29th 1891 i.e. on the Feast of St Michael and All Angels

Probably a SECRET to the ANGELIC Society. 'Viva Angelina' next to Géllis, murdered on Samhain.


Society Perillos


Basilica Fourvière in Lyon


From LE CERCLE D'ULYSSE by Jean DELAUDE

(Incidentally Montpellier is next to Maguelonne)



MAYBE IT'S TIME YOU GOT THE POINT.

Left to right - Feast of the PASSOVER (Angel of death PASSES OVER - The Angel of Death is St Michael) :
St John the Baptist - Feast day 24th June (i.e. Midsummers Day) There he is pointing straight up:
Adoration of the Magi - Who followed a star at the Winter Solstice.

AND IN THE CHURCH OF MARIE MADELEINE - RENNES LE CHATEAU



JESUS HIMSELF POINTING UP

So what's up there?

“In the Aude, the peasants rather believe in the malignant spirit, the fairies and the underground geniuses than with the Virgin and the Angels”

Gaston Jourdanne - Contribution to the Folklore of the Aude - 1900.


Books from a Derain-Raclet bookshop, situated at 81 Rue Bosssuet, Lyon

Signed
"François Béranger Saunière, Priest at: Aude, town of Rennes."
These were entitled:

1) "the Prophecy of the Popes allotted to S. Malachy". By Joseph Main.
2) "History of the Large Forests of Gaule and Old France". By L.F. Alfred Maury.
3) "Celtic Monuments. Or Research on the Worship of the Stones. Preceded by a note on the Celts and Druids, and followed Celtic etymologies ". By Mr. Camby.


Now look at my signature

Saint Michael on the Basilica Fourviere. City of Lyon in the background

Fourviere, Frequented by Saunière and the Angelic Society.


The old and the new Paris Meridian Markers on the side of the Couiza to Arques road.

But hey. It's ALLLLLL! coincidence.

I really miss Seeker
he was Awesome



While Gautier was an ardent defender of Romanticism, his work is difficult to classify and remains a point of reference for many subsequent literary traditions such as Parnassianism, Symbolism, Decadence and Modernism

Towards the end of 1830, Gautier began to frequent meetings of Le Petit Cénacle, a group of artists who met in the studio of Jehan Du Seigneur. The group was a more irresponsible version of Hugo's Cénacle. The group counted among its members the artists Gérard de Nerval, Alexandre Dumas, père, Petrus Borel, Alphonse Brot, Joseph Bouchardy and Philothée O’Neddy (real name Théophile Dondey). Le Petit Cénacle soon gained a reputation for extravagance and eccentricity, but also for being a unique refuge from society.

Towards the end of 1830, Gautier began to frequent meetings of Le Petit Cénacle, a group of artists who met in the studio of Jehan Du Seigneur. The group was a more irresponsible version of Hugo's Cénacle. The group counted among its members the artists Gérard de Nerval, Alexandre Dumas, père, Petrus Borel, Alphonse Brot, Joseph Bouchardy and Philothée O’Neddy (real name Théophile Dondey). Le Petit Cénacle soon gained a reputation for extravagance and eccentricity, but also for being a unique refuge from society.

Early in his life, Gautier befriended Gérard de Nerval, who influenced him greatly in his earlier poetry and also through whom he was introduced to Victor Hugo. He shared in Hugo's dissatisfaction with the theatrical outputs of the time and the use of the word "tragedy." Gautier admired Honoré de Balzac for his contributions to the development of French Literature.

As Gautier started off as a painter before he was a writer, he found many artists to be influential in his view of art itself. Painters such as the French artist, Jean-Auguste-Dominique Ingres, who chose only to paint when inspired, and Spanish painters such as Murillo, Velázquez and Ribera significantly informed his work and views.

In 1862 he was elected chairman of the Société Nationale des Beaux-Arts (National Society of Fine Arts) with a board which included Eugène Delacroix, Édouard Manet, Gustave Doré and Pierre Puvis de Chavannes.

On behalf of all those Secretaries out there, I agree!

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the entry in question is for the 29th Sept .....the day before Boulanger died btw.

"Guilhem Secret de l'évêché". Guilhem was the secrétaire of the bishop at the time when our curé wrote up his journal, it is more than believable that the word "Secret", which is written with a capital S btw...is an abreviation for "Secrétaire".

It's not rocket science to do a bit of researching and come up with the every-day reality of what Saunière was writing about...you wouldn't write the word secret with a capital letter..full stop.



Roscoe needs to stop regurgitating the gossip mongers and apply himself.

..and before Roscoe starts whinging on about the lack of accent on the word Secret...go study the very interesting entry for 2/3rd October when the métairie of Jaffus at les Bourdous caught fire....it says "incendie de la metairie de Jaffus"...there is only one way to spell métairie correctly and that's with an accent...Saunière didn't bother because it's just his journal, same reason he didn't put an accent on Secret.

so? perhaps he was researching the story about Charlemagne keeping the Labarum in his castle of Montjoie in the forest of Marly

There is a legend that the oriflamme was the Labarum and taken by Charlemagne to the forest of Marly and kept in a castle called montjoie on a hillock there until the Normans invaded and it was then taken to St Denis.

In hoc signo vinces......

He's a closet Crista lover. Notice how he mentions more then everyone else combined. You can tell what's on Roscoe's mind. Coincidence Right?

third from the top you will find Guilhem, the "Secret" in question...he was a priest and the secretary to the Bishopric under Mgr Félix Arsène BILLARD the Bishop ofCarcassonne




The term is derived from the Latin word secernere, "to distinguish" or "to set apart," the passive participle (secretum) meaning "having been set apart," with the eventual connotation of something private or confidential, as with the English word secret.

Important is anyway the one we all know: Le 21septembre 1891, lettre de Granès, découverte d'un tombeau, le soir pluie.

That is one without question marks.

Must have been a busy year in RLC, this 1891. On the 21 June 1891 the little church garden had its opening (MISSION 1891) and in September they discovered a tomb - without of course that we know out of Sauniere's writing where this happened and who discovered it.

imho...it's called making mountains out of molehills....Saunière didn't discover a tombeau. You have the man's diary in front of you...read it in the context of the whole, it's fascinating.

I read that he found a tomb.

yeah right...that's what everybody says, the word découverte can mean simply exposure rather than discovery...notice the horrific weather that week...continuous rain and thunder and strong winds...Saunière could just as easily have meant a tombeau was uncovered or exposed, rather than himself finding it....and btw, who was it that had just had two teeth extracted two days before that diary entry ...hmmm ?

True that it was not Sauniere who discovered the tomb. He only knew bits and pieces and was a researcher by himself - remember his night sessions on the RLC graveyard.

But the RLC enigma, in its wider final context, is about a tombeau.

Good point Sheila,
I'd never read it like that, but it makes sense. We all know what the rain in the Languedoc can cause !
Regards
Nic

Hi Nic, if you go to the link i posted above you can click and zoom on the page...much easier to read the entries.

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Would you like to make an example how you think a tombeau can be "de-covered" by heavy rain or other something similar?

what...like topsoil which could become eroded after a heavy rainstorm or washed away ?
The weather that week seems to have been rain, heavy rain, thunder and more rain.

Which is probably why he wrote about the rain, it must have been so bad it merited a mention

Another good catch Sheila and as you say it's different when you read things in context.

Saunière wrote up the weather in his journal nearly every day...you only do that when life carries on as normal, so to speak.
btw, does anyone have another page of the journal they can link to...so i can relate better to this one.

Guillaume was the SECRET.

An extreme example, but it gets the point across.

http://archive.suite101.com/article.cfm ... logy/88697
Regards
Nic

You will of course notice that Saunière placed an accent over the word above, but not on the word Secret. So if Saunière wanted to write the Secret how would he do this Sheila?

You wouldn't put the word Vu with capital letter either but hey let's change the facts to suit if you don't like them.

So what did he see these people all over the Languedoc for in one day? On his Kawasaki was he?

Oh and why was Géllis murdered on Samhain, where did HE get his money from and who are the Angelic Society?

Oh and why is Bourges Cathedral (as in Saint Sulpice de Bourges) halfway along the Paris Meridian between Notre Dame de Marceille and Fort Mardyck in Dunkirk?

Oh and why did Saunière parade Our Lady of Lourdes around the village on Midsummers Day?

What did a writer contemporary with Sauniere mean when he wrote this:

“In the Aude, the peasants rather believe in the malignant spirit, the fairies and the underground geniuses than with the Virgin and the Angels”

Actually it isn't Bourges Cathedral that's significant, de Cherisey told us what it is.

The correct place is described thus:



Coin collectors get excited at the mere mention of the word Bituriges


Found near Rennes le Chateau





And this is the place that is EXACTLY half way between Fort Mardyck, Dunkerque (i.e. start of the Paris Meridian) and NOTRE DAME DE MARCEILLE not BARCELONA and was marked clearly by PHILIPPE DE CHERISEY

Not Barcelona

As indicated here of a place that can be seen as you leave Rennes les Bains by Car

Hmm! yes nice accent over the word Secret. None over this one.


Perhaps it means something else ay?