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 Post subject: Characters from City of Secrets
PostPosted: 12 Nov 2009 2:29 am 
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I've been reading City of Secrets (yes, I know, I'm late, as usual, to the party) the last day or so and I'm interested in the reality (or lack thereof) of some of the people named therein.

Patrice says she has changed some of their names.

Well, three of them have turned up for me.

"Quico Sabater" -- appears to be Francisco (Francesc) Sabate, who was known as "El Quico", an anarchosyndicalist and anti-Franco Catalan activist
http://libcom.org/history/llopart-franc ... -1915-1960

Josep appears to be in danger for much of the early part of the book, but mostly this appears to be because of political activities that he and Sabate are involved in.

Salvador Espriu -- a Catalan writer who focuses on the themes of Kabbalah, fate, and death (I know we have several folks here interested in the latter for whatever morbid reasons)
http://www.lletra.net/noms/sespriu/index.html

She identifies one of Josep's American collaborators with his Kabbalah Center as "Zelman Goldstein". This appears to be the Sephardic Chabad Rabbi Zalman Goldstein. This appears to be him.
http://www.jewishlearninggroup.com/cgi- ... play=about

BTW, it's not clear why she identifies Julien Sacaze (she shows Sauniere had some interest in his work) as a Rosicrucian, per se. His "mainstream" bio mostly identifies him as an antiquarian/archaeologist of the Pyrenees.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julien_Sacaze

Incidentally, the infamous Emma Calve "chocolate ad" is in the book. It appears to be an ad by the chocolatiers Guerin-Boutron, who did indeed operate from Rue St.-Sulpice.

They definitely ran ads featuring operatic figures; this is one of the composer Mascagni.

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This same card (underneath the image of Calve) appears in the book.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poissonni% ... M%C3%A9tro)

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Poissonnière is a station on Line 7 of the Paris Métro. The station was opened on 5 November 1910. It is near the junction between the streets of Rue La Fayette and the Rue du Faubourg Poissonnière, after which it is named and along which fishmongers (French: "poissonnières") brought fish from Boulogne and other harbours on the Channel coast to the market at Les Halles in chasse-marées. The route from the coast generally followed that of a Roman Road and entered nineteenth century Paris at the Porte des Poissonniers.

This station has three entrances on Rue La Fayette and features a 1960s-style yellow neon metro sign.


Cabinet des Médailles
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Gold 20-stater of Eucratides I (175–150 BCE), the largest gold coin known to have been minted in Antiquity. The coin weighs 169.2 grams, and has a diameter of 58 millimeters. It was originally found in Bukhara, and later acquired by Napoleon III. Cabinet des Médailles, Paris.The Cabinet des Médailles, or Cabinet de France, more formally known as Le département des Monnaies, Médailles et Antiquités de la Bibliothèque Nationale, is a department of the Bibliothèque nationale de France in Paris, housed in its former premises in rue de Richelieu.[1]

The Cabinet des Médailles is a museum containing internationally important collections of coins, engraved gems, and antiquities, with its distant origins in the treasuries of the French kings of the Middle Ages. The disruptions of the Wars of Religion inspired Charles IX to create the position of a garde particulier des médailles et antiques du roi a "guardian entrusted specifically with the medals and ancient coins and antiquities of the Crown". Thus the collection, which has been augmented and never again dispersed,[2] passed from being the personal collection of the king to becoming a national property—a bien national— as the royal collection was declared during the Revolution. A stage in this aspect of its development was the bequest of the collection of pioneering archeologist comte de Caylus, who knew that in this fashion his antiquities would be most accessible to scholars. Other collectors followed suit: when the duc de Luynes gave his collection of Greek coins to the Cabinet Impérial in 1862, it was a national collection rather than simply an Imperial one he was enriching. The State also added to the treasury contained in the Cabinet des Médailles: a notable addition, in 1846, was the early sixth century gold Treasure of Gourdon.

The Cabinet—a term which in French implies a small private room for the conservation and display of intimate works of art and for private conversations, rather than a piece of furniture— took a stable shape under Henri IV, who nominated connoisseur Rascas de Bagarris garde particulier des médailles et antiques du roi, the "particular guardian of the medals and antiquities of the King".


The Sassanian "Cup of Chosroes", from Saint-Denis, where it was treasured as "King Solomon's Cup"Among the antiquarians and scholars who have had the charge of the Cabinet des Médailles, one of the most outstanding was Théophile Marion Dumersan (1780-1849), who began working there in 1795 at the age of sixteen, protected the collection from dispersal by the allies after Napoleon's defeat, and published at his own expense a history of the collection and description, as newly-rearranged according to historical principles, in 1838[3]

Earlier printed catalogues of parts of the collection had been published. Pierre-Jean Mariette, urged by the comte de Caylus, published a selection of the royal carved hardstones as volume II of his Traité des pierres gravées (Paris, 1750).

Louis XIV of France, an acquisitive connoisseur, brought together the cabinet de curiosités of his uncle Gaston d'Orléans and acquired that of Hippolyte de Béthune, the nephew of Henri IV's minister Sully. In order to keep the collections closer at hand, he removed them from the old royal library in Paris to Versailles.

When Louis' great-grandson Louis XV had attained majority, the Cabinet was returned to Paris in 1724, to take up its present space in the royal library that was designed under the direction of Jules-Robert de Cotte, the son of Mansart's successor at the Bâtiments du Roi. In the Cabinet des Médailles, the medal-cabinet delivered in 1739 by the ébéniste du roi Antoine Gaudreau figures among the greatest pieces of French furniture. Other medal cabinets were delivered for Louis XIV by André-Charles Boulle. The cabinet also still houses its paintings by Boucher, Natoire and Van Loo.

The Cabinet des Médailles is considered the oldest museum in France. It is located in the former building of the Bibliothèque Nationale, 58 rue Richelieu, Paris I, and can be visited for free every afternoon (13:00-17:00), seven days a week.

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^ The Bibliothèque Nationale has new premises in the Tolbiac district, Paris 13e.
^ The first royal library, assembled at the Palais du Louvre by Charles V, which contained 973 volumes when it was inventoried in 1373, was dispersed during the following century.
^ Théophile Marion Dumersan, Histoire de Cabinet des Médailles, antiques et pierres gravées, avec une notice sur la Bibliothèque Royale et une description des objets exposés dans cet établissement. Paris, chez l'auteur, 1838.[1]. His earlier Notice des monuments exposés dans le cabinet des médailles et antiques de la bibliothèque du Roi in several editions, concentrated on the antiquities and gems.
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Sorry but I don't know how to translate this

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MEDAILLES D'OR AUX EXPOSITIONS UNIVERSELLES 1889 & 1900


???? Maybe they had a meeting with ludwig. :? /Morroco


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In some countries, politics plays an important part in the condemnation of the fraternity. This is a primary reason behind the Roman Catholic Church's opposition to the fraternity. A freemason, Giuseppe Garibaldi, led the successful effort to crush the temporal power of the Pope in Italy, reducing the Roman Catholic Church's holding in Italy to the 109-acre Vatican City. This successful effort was a main catalyst for Pope Leo XIII's infamous encyclical, Humanum Genus, in 1884. It condemned Freemasonry as a "wicked force" and a "contagious disease" because Freemasons:
call for religious liberty;
call for separation of [the Roman Catholic] Church and state;
call for education of children by laymen rather than the [Roman Catholic] Church and;
believe people have the right to make their own laws and elect their own government.


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chocolat Vanille vent


chocolat Vanilla wind. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Characters from City of Secrets
PostPosted: 12 Nov 2009 9:48 am 
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Vente rather than vent...

...for sale at 2 francs for half a kilo

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 Post subject: Re: Characters from City of Secrets
PostPosted: 12 Nov 2009 1:16 pm 
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Sorry but I don't know how to translate this

MEDAILLES D'OR AUX EXPOSITIONS UNIVERSELLES 1889 & 1900


I think they mean their chocolate got gold medals at the Paris World's Fair of 1889, and 1900.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposition ... elle_(1889)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposition ... elle_(1900)

Apparently, Campbell's Soup also got a gold medal at the 1900 exposition.

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 Post subject: Re: Characters from City of Secrets
PostPosted: 12 Nov 2009 2:03 pm 
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Drawing on p. 90.

I'd reproduce this, but my scanner isn't working too well, and that might even be a copyright violation.

There's a diagram that looks like this (it's supposedly a diagram Josep made).

Y -- 10
Y H -- 15
Y H V -- 21
Y H V H -- 26
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72 names

Looks like he's deriving the longer, 72-letter name of Yhvh from the gematria of the letters.

This also has the famous
S eth
I sis
O siris
N ephthys

"I know SION" on it.

There's also a drawing of an eye above a pyramid (BTW like I said the members of the "First Earth Battalion" in Men Who Stare at Goats were using it too) and underneath a line with the number 49 on it.

BTW the same drawing is on p. 98 but now the pyramid's central line has the number 43 instead.

On p. 179 is a diagram of the Ten Sefirot with what are apparently some of Josep's handwritten notations; again the S I O N = four Egyptian gods formula appears there.

She can't be lying about the 1976 "Lady of the Cup" Girona Marian apparition because there is a photo of a shrine dedicated to it in the photo pages. (Unless the photo caption is lying.) However, her account of it is interesting. Apparently it was rather controversial, because so many eyewitnesses insisted the woman was Magdalene (who we know Rene d'Anjou and others associated with a cup) and the church seems to have considered the principal eyewitness to be crazy.

There also is a depiction of the painting by J.C. Villalonga of the "two towers" in the photo pages (I'm guessing Patrice included this painting because it symbolizes to her the two Magdala towers; I think this one is on the web but I don't remember where at the moment) ... btw his full name was Jesus Carlos de Villalonga, and he was an artist who spent time in both Quebec and Catalonia; he knew Duchamp and Dali...
http://www.galeriemichelbigue.com/en/JE ... Vilollonoo

Emma Calve's chocolate card/ad is on p. 281. Caption underneath: 443. Mme. Calve de l'Opera. A different ad of a different opera singer (Emma Eames?) is on p. 316 with the card I showed above, underneath. This is apparently what Patrice says she saw in an alley in the streets of Girona, but of course she says it has since been erased. (It must have been a pretty old faded ad by the time she saw it.) And triggered her "vision".

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Vente rather than vent...

...for sale at 2 francs for half a kilo


Cheers, I was thinking after this I might have to hit French Dictionary hard.


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I think they mean their chocolate got gold medals at the Paris World's Fair of 1889, and 1900.


Thank-you see above.

Now I need a Map, I'm going to a hypnotist to get over my issues. :mrgreen:

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http://www.chromo.be/guerin.asp

Catalogue of all cards and edited by Guérin Boutron

http://www.coollection.net/store?servic ... l&sp=l7756

Guérin Boutron Chocolate New Company, Paris, 23 rue du Maroc, 1/500

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 Post subject: Re: Characters from City of Secrets
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I was reading Michael Lamy, and I came across this passage.
p.161

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The fact is that the power of the Wood Splitters was great, and even in the ninteenth century, their front order--if we may call it that--the carbonari numbered no less than twelve thousand members in Paris. It seems they had some ties with Bolshevism, These men who maintained that their order was born in Scotland fonded a vente,or lodge, in the montsegur region: the Companion of Sabarthez.


75.[A 'fellable stand of wood.' --Trans.

The secret message of Jules Verne, Michael Lamy.


Further on there is information that also relates to what a chest may be indicating esp. in the hautpoul doco's for sale. i.e. the sale of timber, but it belongs on another thread.

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 Post subject: Re: Characters from City of Secrets
PostPosted: 14 Nov 2009 1:26 am 
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How exciting that Seeker is reading one of my favourite books! :wink: Here is a somewhat revised version of a post on my blog about Emma. I have always been intrigued with the statement by the demon priest "Only from a gold cup" in Patrice's book City of Secrets. Recently I came across a couple of lines in "The Accursed Treasure of Rennes- le- Chateau by Gerard de Sede (translated by Bill Kersey) that intrigues me. "Receive O King,gold,the symbol of royalty." (page 137) and on page 62 "But the legends are never of a White Queen alone. That of Rennes is concerned with three personages, the third has no treasure except a goblet" There is certainly a story behind that statement and if I may be so bold to say....... a connection to this mystery which involves our friend Emma Calvé.

There is a really good book out there called "City of Secrets" by Patrice Chaplin. Patrice was married to Charlie Chaplins son at one time, has a wonderful array of friends and contacts, is a talented artist as well as a talented writer. The book takes you into her life and her love for a man from Spain who is somehow involved with the legend of the grail and in some way related to Berenger Sauniere. The book connects the city of Girona, Spain with the small hilltop village of Rennes- le- Chateau in the south of France, hence the reason for writing something about it on this blog. Emma Calvé makes an appearance in the book in the form of a mysterious woman on a chocolate advertisement that Patrice finds herself standing in front of in an alley on the streets of Girona. This chocolate advertisement is a clue in the discovery of a secret that Patrice alludes to in an interview with Andy Gough on his website. Andy's 17 questions interviews with individuals researching Rennes- le- Chateau, or other topics that relate to the Rennes mystery is very enlightening and always entertaining. Andy has the ability to get people to answer questions that leaves room for reading in between the lines. Patrice lets us know in the interview that the chocolate advertisement does not make alot of sense in the book because her publishers edited out pertinent information to its importance to the story she is trying to convey. I was also intrigued with her mention of her trip to Rennes le Chateau ( page 120 of City of Secrets) where when entering the church she is faced with a vision of a demon in priests robes who scares the living hell out of her. She tells us that behind him she sees what she believes to be the chocolate advertisement, again let me repeat that Emma Calvé's picture is on this advertisement, and the demon priest speaks to Patrice saying the words "Only from a gold cup".
After my visit to Rennes le Chateau last spring, I returned to Canada to a busy restaurant and catering business. I was going to be catering out at our country restaurant on a two month contract. I enjoy this gig as I am able to put my feet up a bit in the apartment on the second floor. I decided I would read the journal I had kept while on a recent research trip to France, Scotland and England. While sleeping one night I was awoken ( I thought I was awake) by lightening coming through the window to the apartment. This window looks out into a open loft area of this hand hewn log building that the restaurant is housed in. Built in 1909 it is one of the oldest buildings in the area and is full of local history being that it was the hub of commerce for close to sixty years. I looked out of this window across the open loft area to the window on the outside of the building. The lightning was of massive proportions, reminding me of a horror film. I looked over to the right side of the loft to see a priest hunched over something and running on the outside of the building trying to find a way in. I was terrified beyond words and I ran into the bathroom of the apartment to make sure he couldn't get in through the window in that room.I was certain he was coming in after me. At this point I realized I was probably dreaming but I was very physically active which didn't make much sense. I tried to get myself to wake up but I was stuck in this other place. The sound of the thunder crashed loudly around me as I tried desperately to get myself out of wherever I was. I finally pulled out of wherever I had been and sat up in bed. I was frightened for only a moment before something came over me and I calmly put my head back on the pillow and went to sleep. In the morning it amazed me that I went back to sleep after such a horrendous experience. I was terrified of this priest getting to me.( I also did not relish the idea of having to stay another night) Trying to piece together why I would dream such a thing I naturally thought of my visit to Rennes- le- Chateau.
My visit to the church at Rennes- le- Chateau was uneventful if you don't include the dream I had the night before while staying at a motel in Carcassonne. In the dream I had discovered a wooden cross while walking in an area of a city that was very desolate and dark. I looked at the cross and discovered that the body that was nailed to it was that of a woman and not a man. At this point the devil appears and tells me quite clearly " if you tell this secret I will burn your house down". I was then shown my house, although still standing, the inside was totally burnt.
I enjoyed the beauty of this quiet hilltop village (we were there before the major tourist season) and was pleased to be able to have the church to ourselves( my friend Joanne came on this trip ) for a good 20 minutes. I felt no fear, just a calm acceptance. I paid my money and lit a candle, paid respects to the forces that be and walked over to the infamous devil. Putting my hand on top of his,I smiled and wished him well remembering the words of the Buddha when he would have encounters with Mara the equivalent of our devil. The Buddha viewed Mara as a necessary part of the universe and as such grew to understand him as opposed to fearing or loathing this force. Don't get me wrong, I am not on any level close to the Buddha, nor am I fearless when it comes to the dark side. I guess in my own way I was acknowledging his challenge to me, and I knew he knew I had already told what I had dreamed. I left the church and the village of Rennes- le- Chateau feeling somehow that I had come full circle. Joanne, my good friend, couldn't stop crying the entire time she was in the church. She said all she felt was sadness. Leaving my friend with her own experience, I went to climb up to the top of the Tour Magdala. After enjoying the magnificent views I returned to the stone walkway and sat in the corner stone seat. I had a hard time pulling myself away from that corner seat, I couldn't help imagining all the people that had sat there over the years. It not only have a great view of the valley, but a great view of whomever would walk up the stairs from the garden. We ended the visit with a picnic on the grass near the top of the road leading down the mountain. After lunch we climbed into our rental car and drove back to Carcassonne.
It still haunts me, the dream in Carcassonne with the woman on the old wooden crucifix. Why the dark side does not want me to tell this story is a mystery to me.
So Patrice, I've seen the priest. As far as I'm concerned your story is not only relevant to this mystery but a substantial part of it. I wish you peace and prosperity, and loads of success with your book "City of Secrets".

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 Post subject: Re: Characters from City of Secrets
PostPosted: 14 Nov 2009 8:49 am 
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Thanks Lori. I read that late last night, and they sounded like very unsettling dreams, particularly with the Patrice Chaplin reference to the stooped priest in mind. Although I thought the second one you experienced, in Carcassonne, was even more disturbing. Thanks for sharing such a personal and vivid experience.

Incidentally, when Jean Luc Robin lived in the Villa Bethania, he was plagued by nightmares.


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........... that the women appeared to be the more frequent victims of "incidents" leading them to decide to leave at once.

I've heard the same about women and Sauniere's church. :|


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lori...
what did the crucified woman look like?

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crimson_dove wrote:
lori...
what did the crucified woman look like?

Hey there crimson dove, It was a lifesize statue (made of what I don't remember) of a woman on the cross with one of her legs broken off, the wooden crucifix was very old and made from huge timbers that were breaking down and pieces were missing. :)

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lori wrote:
crimson_dove wrote:
lori...
what did the crucified woman look like?

Hey there crimson dove, It was a lifesize statue (made of what I don't remember) of a woman on the cross with one of her legs broken off, the wooden crucifix was very old and made from huge timbers that were breaking down and pieces were missing. :)


thanks lori for responding.
i find your dream facinating!
i have dreamt much in my time.
would love to compare notes with you privately.
i have dreamt of a crucified woman however, never have i travelled to france.

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i have dreamt of a crucified woman however,.........

There's a painting by Rops showing that. :mrgreen:


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thanks...
i am thinking that the dream is much more personal and reveals aspects of me at that time.
no painting can compare.

sorry...
that is the 'shrink' in me.

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