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 Post subject: Our Lady of La Salette...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_La_Salette


how does She fit in to all of this?

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[quote="crimson_dove"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_La_Salette


how does She fit in to all of this?

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tingra wrote:
crimson_dove wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_La_Salette


how does She fit in to all of this?

all of me,
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she doesnt


I thought there was some connection to this, and other apparition events. There was some talk about it a while back on the "New Chaplin Website in Support of US Book Launch" thread. :? :?


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richard.webster wrote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_La_Salette


how does She fit in to all of this?

all of me,
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she doesnt


I thought there was some connection to this, and other apparition events. There was some talk about it a while back on the "New Chaplin Website in Support of US Book Launch" thread. :? :?


Hi Richard,

I just researched this siting yesturday...I did not know that there was talk of it on Patrice's website... :oops:

However, it is associated with Lourdes and Fatima I believe. Not quite sure how though. My brain is overwhelmed.

When I looked at the statue and the three phases of the apparation...it reminded me of Quan Yin :shock:

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I just researched this siting yesturday...I did not know that there was talk of it on Patrice's website... :oops:


Actually, I'm not sure if it is referred to on Patrice's website or not. It was something I read here, about this and other apparitions being important to understanding Girona. The thread didn't really go anywhere, but the comment stuck in my mind.


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La Salette -- stage managed?

http://www.antiqillum.org/texts/tl/TLSix-008.htm

Paris. After the Revolution, (1789-1796), the Johannites became concerned with the restoration of the monarchy. They were largely responsible for the promotion of Naundorff as pretender to the throne, and also behind 'prophetic' movements such as that of Eugene Vintras. Charles Guillaume Naundorff (1785-1845) boasted that he was Louis XVII, who was thought to have been killed as an infant with his father, Louis XVI, during the French Revolution. Another self-styled 'guru' of the day -- who had risen meteorically from peasant to king's adviser -- was supported by the Johannites, and they appear to have stage managed certain visions of the Virgin -- such as that of La Salette in the foothills of the Western Alps in 1846. The objects of this group of Johannites were 1.) An attempt to regenerate Catholicism from within. This involved replacing mainstream dogma -- based on the authority of Peter -- with a mystical and esoteric Christianity in the belief that an age was drawing in which the Holy Spirit would be in the ascendant. A feature of this was the elevation of the feminine, in the outward form of the Virgin Mary, but this soon took on a more overtly sexual character and began to seem actively hostile to the Church. The vision of La Salette -- which was condemned by the Church -- was central to this plan. Somehow, John the Baptist's role in these developments was crucial. 2.) The movement was also allied with the attempt to have Naundorff recognized as the legitimate king of France, probably because, it it had succeeded, he would have been favorable to this new form of religion (having already endorsed Vintras). Significantly, Melanie Calvet, the girl who had the vision at La Salette, had herself come out in favor of Naundorff. It is interesting that the Church reacted by shipping her off to a convent in Darlington, in the north-east of England, where she could do no more harm. The combined forces of Church and State prevented the movement's grand plan from being fulfilled, and whatever really happened is now buried under an avalance of scandal and innuendo. But no doubt it is significant that the Church's reaction to this threat was to make the Immaculate Conception of Mary an article of faith in 1854. (This doctrine was to be conveniently endorsed by the Virgin Mary herself when she appeared to the peasant girl Bernadette Soubirous at Lourdes some four years later, although tjhe latter at first simply described her vision as 'that thing'.) Prophets such as Martin and Vintras appear to have been 'managed' by the Johannites, rather than actually being part of the sect themselves. Vintras' link with them was his mentor, a certain Madame Bouche, who lived in the Place St. Sulpice in Paris, and went under the name of Sister Salome.

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I find the dates of these apparitions very interesting...in relation to meetings held between certain groups of people..in certain places.


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I think one non-controversial fact agreed upon about Sauniere is he was interested in the French Marian apparitions, and was a Sacred Heart devotee, that in turn being inspired by an apparition of the BVM to Mary-Margaret Alacoque at Paray-le-Monial in the 1600s (also the HQ of the Hieron du Val d'Or).

I mean, that wasn't unusual for a Catholic priest.

The "Penitence" inscription on the so-called "Visigothic" pillar came from the La Salette apparition.

http://www.perillos.com/ruedubac.html

The priest’s interest in Marian apparitions is not a secret. It is known that late in his life, ill, he nevertheless still found the energy to go on a pilgrimage to Lourdes, the most popular of sites where Mary had appeared, in 1858.

There is a statue of the Virgin as she appeared at Lourdes on top of the Visigothic pillar in the garden in front of his enigmatically illustrated church. On the pillar, he also wrote the words “Penitence! Penitence!”, which were the words of the Virgin when she appeared at La Salette in 1846.

One pillar thus incorporates two of the main apparitions. His stained glass window above the entrance to the Villa “confirms” his interest in “the Marian era”, and specifically, the apparition of the rue du Bac. In short, his estate has three references to the three most important apparitions of the Virgin Mary: rue du Bac, La Salette and Lourdes.

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Sheila wrote:
I find the dates of these apparitions very interesting...in relation to meetings held between certain groups of people..in certain places.


sheila, might you elaborate some...?

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Seeker1 wrote:
The priest’s interest in Marian apparitions is not a secret. It is known that late in his life, ill, he nevertheless still found the energy to go on a pilgrimage to Lourdes, the most popular of sites where Mary had appeared, in 1858.[snip]

Just a coincidence that Emma Calvé was born in 1858. She may have been related to Melanie Calvet. She was also devoted to the Sacred Heart.
So for my money Crimson Dove has some really good instincts in asking this question. Just keep looking........you may find some interesting answers. Lori :wink:

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lori...

i remember sharing the 1-4-6-8 with you.

researching this further...1846 was the year of the apparitions.
they occurred high in the alpine region which prior to the revolution, was called the dauphine (accent aigue)

they spoke of terrible wasted land...if her people would not rePent.

according to kevin orlin johnson...in his book apparitions...
the children did not quite repent...but the community did.

devoted to the sacred heart...
this is where i am stuck...

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Sacred Heart

I wonder if that could have something to do with the 7 Magnetic/Magical Laws of Love? (ref. St. Germain)

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No. It's a Catholic devotional movement. There are actually two parallel cults; Sacred Heart of Jesus and Immaculate Heart of Mary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Heart
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07168a.htm

We know Sauniere was a Sacred Heart devotee; he gave money toward the construction of the Sacre-Coeur Basilica in Paris.

http://www.sacred-destinations.com/fran ... acre-coeur

That the Sacred Heart movement had a definite monarchist aspect to it ... they wanted France to be governed by a Catholic monarch who would strengthen the Church.
http://catholicgauze.blogspot.com/2006/ ... heart.html

But: here's where things get interesting.

Paray-le-Monial, the town where Mary-Margaret Alacoque saw the BVM and launched the Sacred Heart movement, was also the center of the Hieron du Val d'Or movement. Which combined devotion to the Sacred Heart with Paul LeCour's occultism. The Hieron appears in the "peedox".

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... sion09.htm

http://www.cesnur.org/testi/bryn/br_plz.htm

One of the "key" places of this story is the Sanctuary of Paray-le-Monial, which recalls the apparitions of the Sacred Heart of Jesus to Saint Marguerite-Marie Alacoque, in the 17th century. In 1873, the Jesuit Victor Drevon (1820-1880) -- who was to became vice-postulator of the beatification cause of the Jesuit Claude de La Colombière -- established a research center called Hiéron du Val d’Or at Paray-le-Monial, together with the baron Alexis de Sarachaga (1840-1918). Sarachaga was a Spanish nobleman linked to the Russian Imperial Court on his mother’s side and related to Saint Therese of Avila on his father’s side, and interested in Christian esotericism as well as in the ideas of Christ’s social regality and of the reparative Communion (he was encouraged in the spreading of these ideas by Pius IX himself). In 1877, the Hiéron, an eucharistic museum organized according to an accurate symbolic plane, became a society with four explicit purposes (the demonstration of the origins of Christianity from the mythical Atlantis; the reconstitution of a universal sacred tradition; the preparation for the year 2000 of a politic and social reign of Christ the King and the teaching of the sacred name of Aor-Agni -- Light-Fire -- as the key to the whole knowledge) and a secret one (the fight against anti Christian Freemasonry through the creation of a "Christian Freemasonry of the Great West"). As we can see from this few accounts, the Hiéron’s doctrine dealt with very singular subjects and believes. When Sarachaga died, Mr. Georges Gabriel and Mrs. Marthe de Noaillat stayed at Paray. They reorganized the Hiéron under a more clearly orthodox perspective, fighting for the institution of the feast of Christ the King (that they obtained from pope Pius XI with the encyclical Quas Primas, in 1925). For a long time, Mr. and Mrs. Noaillat’s collaborator, Jeanne Lépine, had been in correspondence with Paul Le Cour (1861-1954), who, in 1927, founded the association Atlantis and tried to pick up some of the topics which interested most Sarachaga (Le Cour inherited Sarachaga’s gold ring and his followers considered this fact as a sort of succession). After the death of Mr. and Mrs. Noaillat and of their collaborator Jeanne Lépine -- died with Marthe de Noaillat on 5th February 1926 --, the reality of the Hiéron du Val d’Or came to an end, still remaining an inspiration for further activities [8].

Among those who regularly went to the research center at Paray-le-Monial, there was Father Félix Anizan, Oblate of the Virgin Mary, who since 1909 had already centered his apostolate on the devotion and the doctrine of the Sacred Heart. He decided to found a scientific review which would have dealt with this subject from different points of view: dogmatic, moral, ascetic, mystic, liturgical, artistic and historical. In this way, on June 1921, the first number of Regnabit. Revue universelle du Sacré-Cœur ("universal review of the Sacred Heart") was issued. It was supported by a committee whose chairman was the cardinal Louis-Ernest Dubois (1865-1929), archbishop of Paris, and by other fifteen prelates from all continents, and on 10th March 1924 obtained a special apostolic benediction sent from the Pope by the State Secretary cardinal Pietro Gasparri (1852-1934). Among its first contributors there were the Jesuit Augustin Hamon, the Benedictine Demaret from the abbey of Solesmes, the Oblate of the Virgin Mary Emile Hoffet (1873-1946), Léon Cristiani (1879-1971) and the secretary of the research center of Paray-le-Monial, Gabriel de Noaillat.

On cardinal Dubois’s request, on January 1922, Louis Charbonneau-Lassay’s contribution to Regnabit started. He was to present his huge work on Christian symbolism revival just on the pages of this review -- his first writing was about the templar enigmatic graffiti discovered in the embattled tower of the castle of Chinon -- and was to grant the prosecution of Regnabit, after its end, becoming the editor of Le Rayonnement Intellectuel, from 1929 to 1939 [9]. In 1940, the result of his close examinations led to the publication of the monumental work concerning the study of mysterious Christian emblems, Le Bestiaire du Christ [10], which appeared in a more complex form -- it contained almost 1157 wood-engravings by the author himself -- and so far continues to meet with a unanimous and renewed approval by specialists and enthusiasts of this subject.

[snip]

The "peedox" claim Sauniere met with Hoffet to help in translating the "parchments". It seems he would have been too young at the time to have done so, though.

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How many times was Atlantis mentioned in the article above?

The 7 Magnetic Laws of Love have everything to do with Atlantis...and the 5th Kingdom (Kingdom of Christ on Earth)...St. Germain...the Professor...Sir Francis Bacon...Virginia

The New Atlantis
New Jerusalem
Kingdom of Christ (on earth)

Has everything to do with this mystery it would seem.

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Sarachaga was a Spanish nobleman linked to the Russian Imperial Court on his mother’s


Did not St. Germain help Catherine the Great to take the throne? (I've just recently been researching this, so I could be mistaken)

Edit to add:

http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/setting/germain.html

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written by me...nov. 8, 1993...(copyright)

> > > She is "Lady"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > She cries-
> > >
> > > tears...pearls
> > >
> > > of Blood...Softly.
> > >

> > > She looks-
> > >
> > > observes...wonders
> > >
> > > why we do not
> > >
> > > feel Her presence...Beside us.
> > >

> > > She longs-
> > >
> > > for a unity...a
> > >
> > > connectedness. ..a
> > >
> > > Whole.
> > >

> > > and She cries-
> > >
> > > The Lady Cries...
> > >
> > > Our Lady Cries.
> > >

> > > Her sorrow
> > >
> > > emanates from
> > >
> > > her wounded heart...
> > >
> > > which swells,
> > >
> > > with the Blood
> > >
> > > of Life.
> > >

> > > Her strength-
> > >
> > > now fades...
> > >
> > > slowly,
> > >
> > > as She prays-
> > >

> > > The Lady Prays...
> > >
> > > Our Lady Prays.
> > >

> > > She Walks...
> > >
> > > the Path -
> > >
> > > worn, by her steps...
> > >
> > > It is the Path
> > >
> > > we, as children,
> > >
> > > are to follow-
> > >
> > > Some are Lost...
> > >
> > > The Children are Lost;
> > >
> > > Her Children are Lost.
> > >

> > > She holds the
> > >
> > > Sun-Sphere
> > >
> > > in her hands...
> > >
> > > She balances,
> > >
> > > on the tip of
> > >
> > > the Crescent Moon-
> > >
> > > the Stars are
> > >
> > > jewels that
> > >
> > > clothe her...
> > >
> > > The Lady wears Jewels;
> > >
> > > Our Lady wears Jewels.
> > >

> > > She sings,
> > >
> > > a melody
> > >
> > > of pure Harmony....
> > >
> > > Her song is one of,
> > >
> > > painful-joy.
> > >
> > > Some are Lost,
> > >
> > > Some are Found,
> > >
> > > Some shine in the Darkness...
> > >

> > > The Lady sings;
> > >
> > > Our Lady sings.
> > >
> > > She Loves...
> > >
> > > As Pure Love,
> > >
> > > She stands at the
> > >
> > > foot of the Cross.
> > >
> > > The Lady Loves,
> > >
> > > Our Lady Loves.
> > >

> > > She cries-
> > >
> > > She looks-
> > >
> > > She longs-
> > >
> > > She prays-
> > >
> > > She walks-
> > >
> > > our Lady walks;
> > >

> > > She holds the Sun-Sphere
> > >
> > > in Her hands...
> > >
> > > She balances,
> > >
> > > on the tip of
> > >
> > > the Crescent Moon-
> > >
> > > The Stars are
> > >
> > > jewels that
> > >
> > > clothe her...
> > >
> > > She wears jewels,
> > >
> > > She sings-
> > >
> > > and She Loves...The Lady, Our Lady, Loves...Forever.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > (November 8th, 1993 c paula)

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Wow...thank you for sharing!

(share some more)

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crimson_dove wrote:
lori...

i remember sharing the 1-4-6-8 with you.

researching this further...1846 was the year of the apparitions.
they occurred high in the alpine region which prior to the revolution, was called the dauphine (accent aigue)

they spoke of terrible wasted land...if her people would not rePent.

according to kevin orlin johnson...in his book apparitions...
the children did not quite repent...but the community did.

devoted to the sacred heart...
this is where i am stuck...


might we continue this...
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sheila...you find the dates and times interesting...might you please explain? many thanks :-)

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http://www.theotokos.org.uk/pages/appro ... alett.html

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western alps?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenoble

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so, was it approved by the pope? or by the bishop?

above seeker quotes that it was not...

i find this and wonder...
http://www.salvemariaregina.info/Marian ... tions.html

papel people here...please help :-)

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"PRAYER TO OUR LADY OF LA SALETTE

Remember, dear Lady of La Salette, true Mother of Sorrows, the tears which thou didst shed for me on Calvary; be mindful also of the unceasing care which thou dost exercise to shield me from the justice of God; and consider whether thou canst now abandon thy child, for whom thou hast done so much. Inspired by this consoling thought, I come to cast myself at thy feet, in spite of my infidelity and ingratitude. Reject not my prayer, O Virgin of reconciliation, convert me, obtain for me the grace to love Jesus Christ above all things and to console thee too by living a holy life, in order that one day I may be able to see thee in Heaven. Amen." (emphasis added)

interesting words...
http://www.salvemariaregina.info/SalveM ... R-094.html

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western alps?

Please consider. The Alps don't only exist in France. They also cover Switzerland, Italy, Germany (very small part) and Austria. Their eastern end is about 100 km south-west of Vienna and their western end is about 100 km north of Marseille. What did you do at school? :|


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so, was it approved by the pope? or by the bishop?


It seems to be an "authorized" Marian apparition ... though there is controversy, particularly over what "Mary" told the children.

As always, the Wikipedia article is a good introduction and beginning place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_La_Salette

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