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 Post subject: Re: "The Portal"...Book Discussion
PostPosted: 07 Jul 2012 9:33 pm 
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re Cordoba, La Mesquida is an amazing place as well. A Catholic cathedral bang in the middle of a former mosque. The sublime arabic arches of the mosque somehow jar with the gothic ornamentation of the cathedral. Another treat are the gardens..the scent of the orange trees I remember well.


:) Agreed, absolutely incredible place. Quite hypnotic, I spent ages going round and round it, passing under all those arches. Very peculiar contrast, as you say, between the harmonic simplicity of the mosque architecture, and the very grand and ostentatious cathedral that seems to rise up from nowhere out of the floor (although for real OTT ornate, see the Cartuja in Granada :shock: ). I also liked sitting among the orange trees in the courtyard outside. Really memorable place.


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 Post subject: Re: "The Portal"...Book Discussion
PostPosted: 07 Jul 2012 10:09 pm 
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Pilrig wrote:
re Cordoba, La Mesquida is an amazing place as well. A Catholic cathedral bang in the middle of a former mosque. The sublime arabic arches of the mosque somehow jar with the gothic ornamentation of the cathedral. Another treat are the gardens..the scent of the orange trees I remember well.


:) Agreed, absolutely incredible place. Quite hypnotic, I spent ages going round and round it, passing under all those arches. Very peculiar contrast, as you say, between the harmonic simplicity of the mosque architecture, and the very grand and ostentatious cathedral that seems to rise up from nowhere out of the floor (although for real OTT ornate, see the Cartuja in Granada :shock: ). I also liked sitting among the orange trees in the courtyard outside. Really memorable place.


As Whoop says a wonder if people could work together today with Cordoba as an example and also the similar marvel at the Alhambra. But the bigoted Ferdinand and his missus knocked that on the heid, and Spain was very much the poorer (socially speaking) for it.


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 Post subject: Towers
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2 towers.

What beautiful architecture in the above photos, reminds me of the late `60s -

those patterns.

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 Post subject: Re: "The Portal"...Book Discussion
PostPosted: 08 Jul 2012 11:14 am 
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La Mesquita/Cordoba Cathedral http://www.catedraldecordoba.es/


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 Post subject: "The Portal"...Book Discussion
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Thank you for the information about the Cordoba Synagog, thank goodness it survived as a hospital.

Was the civilization that built the Islamic cities of S. Spain Arab or Moorish or both?

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 Post subject: The Call
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From Patronat de Girona - the Jewish Call in Girona in the rain.

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 Post subject: July 31
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El dia 31 de juliol de 1492 els Jurats de Girona varen haver de fer complir el reial decret que ordenava
l'expulsió de totes les persones jueves de la ciutat. Avui, el Museu d'Història dels Jueus en guarda la
memòria i en manté viu el record.

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The Jews expelled from Gerona, expelled from the Jewish Call in the above post as seen in the rain.

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 Post subject: The Jewish Call
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 Post subject: Collar
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Compare this to Sauniere`s Masonic collar. This is the group that was active in Girona also.

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 Post subject: "The Portal"...Book Discussion
PostPosted: 07 Sep 2012 1:17 am 
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Who is the lady in this picture?

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 Post subject: Re: "The Portal"...Book Discussion
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She's the sister.


En haut à gauche son frère Martial. En bas a gauche son beau frère M. Marty, à droite assise, sa soeur Marie Louise, tenant sur ses genoux sa fille. A côté, assis, le neveu de Bérenger, Joseph Pagés, employé aux Ponts et Chaussées de Limoux, fils de Oscar et Mathilde Pagés.

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François Bérenger Saunière est le premier né des 7 enfants de Marguerite et Joseph Saunière. Il est né le 11 avril 1852 à midi à montazels place du Grifoul dans la belle maison familiale du XVIIIème Siècle. Il eut par la suite 3 frères et 3 soeurs: - Alfred qui devint prêtre. - Martial qui se maria à Névian, non loin de Narbonne. - Joseph étudiant à la Faculté de Médecine de Toulouse qui décède à 25 ans. - Mathilde se maria à Oscar Pages de Montazels et fut sans enfants. - Adeline se maria à Quillan et n'eut pas d'enfants elle aussi.- La troisième Marie-Louise se maria à Carcassonne avec un instituteur Mr Marty ils eurent une fille qui fut mariée et vit en Gironde.


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 Post subject: Re: "The Portal"...Book Discussion
PostPosted: 07 Sep 2012 8:01 am 
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hmm...two different accounts of his nephew there.

I reckon Joseph Pagés was a bit dodgy...he seemed to have asked his uncle Bérenger for the loan of money more than once.

mardi 8 mai 1900 : PAGES Joseph Couiza demande prêt d'argent
lundi 28 mai 1900 : PAGES Joseph à Couiza 2e demande d'argent

and another thing ...why do people call this Joseph Pagés the nephew of Gélis when he seems to be the nephew of Saunière ?


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 Post subject: Re: "The Portal"...Book Discussion
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Joseph PAGES époux de Françoise la nièce de L’abbé GELIS.

Ah...so Saunière's nephew is married to Gélis' niece ?


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 Post subject: Re: "The Portal"...Book Discussion
PostPosted: 07 Sep 2012 3:43 pm 
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Joseph PAGES époux de Françoise la nièce de L’abbé GELIS.

Ah...so Saunière's nephew is married to Gélis' niece ?


I didn't know that, you learn something new every day :D


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 Post subject: Re: "The Portal"...Book Discussion
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AFAIK he became "nephew" only by marriage. And wasn't Saunières nephew.


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 Post subject: Re: "The Portal"...Book Discussion
PostPosted: 07 Sep 2012 4:18 pm 
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and another thing ...why do people call this Joseph Pagés the nephew of Gélis when he seems to be the nephew of Saunière ?


And was it Joseph Pages that found the priests body or Ernest Pages? seems to be some confusion there as well.


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 Post subject: Re: "The Portal"...Book Discussion
PostPosted: 07 Sep 2012 4:20 pm 
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Hi Egi, yes, i've got that are there maybe two Joseph Pagés ?

le neveu de Bérenger, Joseph Pagés, employé aux Ponts et Chaussées de Limoux, fils de Oscar et Mathilde Pagés....seated second right next to his Aunt Marie Louise who was married to M. Marty seated on the left.
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This is the same Joseph Pagés who is the son of Saunière's sister and who tried to source a builder of a "Kiosque mauresque" for his uncle Bérenger back in May 1914.
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Cher oncle,
Je viens de recevoir une réponse aux nombreuses lettres que j'ai envoyé aux maisons susceptibles de faire le kiosque
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http://www.rennes-le-chateau-en-quete-d ... resque.htm


so, question....is this the same Joseph Pagés as the Joseph Pagés "époux de Françoise la nièce de L’abbé Gélis." (husband of Françoise the niece of abbé Gélis) and if so...why does it not come up in conversation.


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 Post subject: Re: "The Portal"...Book Discussion
PostPosted: 07 Sep 2012 4:20 pm 
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Who is the lady in this picture?


Apparently she's a ventriloquist.

FS

Edited to add: ...a left handed ventriloquist.

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 Post subject: Re: "The Portal"...Book Discussion
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are we talking about two different men here, because the niece of Gélis is marked as being married to Joseph Pagés a viticulteur at Coustaussa while Saunière's nephew is down as a "Conducteur Ponts et Chaussées à Limoux ".

...however maybe not, because Joseph Pagés Françoise's husband, apparently voiced a need to change his vocation and get away from the vines, so perhaps he went on to work as a driver on the Ponts & Chaussées scheme ?


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 Post subject: Re: "The Portal"...Book Discussion
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.... dans l'interrogatoire du 18 avril 1898, Joseph Pages declare que son beau-frere employé a la tresorerie echangeait des billets de banque contre de l'or,à Gelis.

hmm....how many nephews did our abbé have....?
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Didier Audinot, grand spécialiste des énigmes de l'Histoire, rapporte que le neveu de Saunière lui a dit avoir vu des lingots d'or bitumés sur la table de la tour Magdala, lorsque, enfant, il rendait visite à son oncle.


so, i take it that this nephew could be Joseph Pagés again.


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 Post subject: Sephiroth
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Here is a colorful Tree of the Sephiroth. I am very glad

to be able to post it on this Girona thread.

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 Post subject: Magic Square
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A magic square in stained glass - which planet does this represent?

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 Post subject: Re: "The Portal"...Book Discussion
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Is that a magic square? I thought a magic square had to contain sequential numbers starting at 1. Also each column/row/diagonal has to add up to the same number (expressed as (n(n^2+1))/2) - so a 4 grid would be ((4*(16+1))/2) = 34.

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 Post subject: Square
PostPosted: 07 Feb 2013 1:13 am 
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Leave it to you to add up those numbers jlockest! I guess the artist didn`t know the specs

of a magic square.

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 Post subject: Montjuic Girona
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Who was in Girona and in Rennes-le-Chateau and was a member of the Society?

Did an Austrian write Ben`s imperfect French?

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