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What's the point in Bob exposing the OITS' wrongdoings in a phone call with you? That's the whole point of discussing it on a public forum, so the public can find out what's going on. Why is Tank trying to keep the whole thing hush hush?

Exploit Oak Island Tourism Society director of communication,

You're often observed as touting, nay flaunting, online the alleged virtues of your society, so what's your problem by refusing to answer a simple question in the very community in which you flaunt? Refusing to answer a benign question online make people wonder if you're hiding something. You are an officer and communications director of the society, who better to ask a simple question regarding your society?

I think many interested people would like to read your reply online.

Strange behavior exhibited as you chastise and demand others to answer questions by providing proof of their claims, yet you refuse to answer a simple question about your non-profit charitable society.

On the scales of reasonability and significance, what questions you ask of others far outweighs that which you refuse to answer yourself.

Why does your society use a pirate theme attraction for Oak Island when no authentic pirate evidence has ever been found on the island?

bob_1,

I have nothing to hide, nor does the Society you choose to attack. Your choice of words displays an incredible lack of respect and judgement on your part.

If you think for one second I will discuss Society business with you here on this forum, you are sadly mistaken.

Only a person with something to hide takes an immediate defensive posture when asked a simple question.

Pirate involvement to seek interest and investment has been used for Oak Island since the 1800s. Those raising funds back then honestly believed in the pirate attachment to the Island; but here in 2007, what is your reason for employing a pirate theme as an attraction?

bob_1,

I think Roger nailed it on the head with a well composed post although I don't like being called a rabid dog. From his perspective, I guess that is how we look, but I still don't like it.

I told you before that if you want to pursue this line of questioning, I'll not entertain it in public.

bob_I:

Roger makes a good point. Throughout the 19th and early 20th centuries, most Oak Island theories focused on pirates, and they became a catchy promotional logo for the area, and still are. Hence such things as the the "Pirate's Lure" (now the "Black Pearl") pub, and the large pirate statue in the lobby of the Oak Island Spa & Resort in Western Shore. It's a harmless gimmick, that's all; even if most reasonable people like you, Dan Blankenship and myself are today convinced that pirates had nothing to do with the OI workings.

Consider, for example, the fact that every June 21st a Summer Solstice ceremony of Druid priests is held at Stonehenge in the Salisbury Plains. Up until the mid-20th century, it was commonly believed that the Druid cult was responsible for the creation of Stonehenge. But with carbon-dating and other archeological investigation, that has long since been proven to be patently false, since it dates back thousands of years prior to the time of the Druids. Nevertheless, the Heritage Trust which owns and controls the site allows the Druidic ceremony to take place each year. Why? Because it's in the lore, and allows for a good photo op for the tourists. It's all pretty harmless, even if historically inaccurate. (These modern-day Druids in their white robes and strange incantations and rites are touristically sexier than a bunch of Bronze Age neanderthals who were the actual builders of Stonehenge).

D'Arcy

Hi D'Arcy, so you are prone to giggle at inappropriate times, how very sad but very brave of you to admit you are mentally challenged.

You are incorrect old son, my enemy is DECEPTION not Tank, (Hennigar), we actually used to get on fine untill you showed up to lend him your invaluable support and vast Oak Island knowledge. Considering that your continued aid is about as helpful as woodworm in a walking stick one can only conclude that you secretly hate him.

As Bob_1 addressed his affable question specifically to Tank, you and I both live many miles away from Nova Scotia, and we are not members of the OITS, it is nothing to do with us right. I'm happy to stay out of it so why are you sticking your snout in.

I have never claimed to have "proof" of John Avery's connection with Oak Island so get your facts right. I know you are given a great deal of latitude on Joanna's website because she's a member of Tank's little set up but this is Andrew's website, libelous charactor assignations, credability smears, contrived hyjacking and obscene language are not requisite here.

Just to remind you when your good buddy Tank insinuated that Fred Nolan's reported pick marks around the edges on the swamp/pond on his property are not to be believed you as a writer did not seek verification that would have lent public support for Fred. It would have afforded Fred Nolan the opportunity to have his say through you as an alleged impartial observer who has been getting information from for many years, your marked reluctance to support him now over the question of his honest claims clearly raises doubts as to just how neutral you really are.

Like you Tank hasn't got a good word to say about what he discribes as this "questionable website" but he'll happily slum it and stay here to recruit new members for his lucerative little business. I suppose even thoroughbred dogs can be pestered by parasitic blood sucking fleas.

You used the F word on a forum that is watched by decent ladies and young children and then have the unmitigated gaul to say quote, " you gotta love this website, if for nothing more than it's quixotic humor" (humour):?

That's a really rich statement comeing from an inept foul mouthed lout who contributes to Andrew's website about as much charm and humour as an exploding bedpan.

Cerris

Cerris:

Once again you are in luck. I was speaking to Fred Nolan yesterday about various Oak Island matters, and brought up you and your theory and your nattering on about "pick marks in the swamp". Here are Fred's verbatim answers:

"He (Cerris Francis) doesn't have a clue about what happened on on Oak Island."

"As far as pirates doing it - no way! It was a strong organization that did this. Pirates couldn't even attempt to do what's down there."

"Sure there are pick marks around the swamp. There are pick marks everywhere on the island. But that doesn't mean anything, when you consider 200 years of searching and farming on the island. I place no importance on stuff like that."

"He (Cerris) has never had and will never get any sort of contract or agreement with me. We (Fred and his partners) have our own theories, and it has nothing to do with whatever that guy Cerris thinks."

Add that to the direct quotes that I sent you on the other site from Dan Blankenship a few weeks ago, and I'd say you have about as much chance of digging on the island as I have (due to my language that offends widows and orphans and you) of getting to heaven.

In the future, Cerris, I'd appreciate it if you would do your own research, and not leave it up to me to do it for you. You claim you have Fred and Dan's phone numbers; so all you have to do is call them up and verify these statements for yourself.

D'Arcy

Hi D'Arcy, it was always on the cards that when I forced you to seek verification from Fred Nolan you would stir him up against me, however I am a tenacious positive thinker with a long memory as you may discover one day.

I may be three thousand miles away from Oak Island but I know more about what happened three hundred years ago there than anyone else alive, by comparison your knowledge about those early events could be written on the back of a postage stamp.

Fred is entitled to his theory like anyone else and I have also spoken on the phone to him about it but he has nothing to back it up and I have with mine. Because Fred and Dan Blankenship have lived on the island for many years it does not automatically indicate that their theories are any more correct than mine here in the UK, it's proof of what happend three hundred that matters and I alone have that. The sad part is because of your interfering in my/our business interest the world may now never know what amazing evidence I have assembled in my thirty or so years of research. You just go on dishing up your riviting rehashed books on Oak Island and being aparty to deceptions for gain, what do you care a toss if the genuine Oak Island secrets are lost as long as you get your royallties and useful little 'expences' from your buddy right.

If Fred Nolan personally does not see the stignificence of the pick marks he discovered around the edges of the swamp so what! we now all have the verification that they ARE THERE. It is up to each person to draw their own conclusions now, I have tried to expose the truth because the public have been told so many lies about Oak Island especially by self serving writers and other such mercenary individuals.

So (albeit apparently at a devastating cost) I have gradually uncovered the truth, Blankenship DID say that bank of earth along the Detour Road was adjudged by experts to be of atificial construction, and he DID see a rooted tree stump in the deep end of the drained out pond, and he DID say that he believes the pond/swamp to also be of artificial construction.

We also know that Fred Nolan DID see pick marks cut into the edges of the pond/swamp, I TOLD THE TRUTH D'Arcy and your early smoke screen and now this subtle sabotage of my/our business interest only serves to show the world your genuine lack of integrity and intelligence.

I shall observe the sad events that take place on Oak Island next year and the money that the Michigan Group and Dan throw down the tubes will essentually be YOUR doing. Do you understand that you idiott, your interferance has cost those poor guys a lot of money and the chance to get rich. When their project fails the only good thing to come out of the ensuing disaster is that you will be about as popular as a rat in a nursery, sadly you wont even think about their misery as you happily type your next chapter of a new failed treasure hunting attempt whilst dreaming of more lovely royalties to come and paid lectures.

Cerris

www.oakislandrevelations.com

I must say that I've seen some convoluted logic in posts in this forum. This one takes the cake.

Bad D'Arcy, bad boy! By doing the very thing that Cerris hounded you about, you've proven him right. Why? Because he knew all along that you would cunningly brain-wash Mr. Nolan in a single conversation.
And now we will all have to watch in dreadful fascination as you single-handedly corrupt any investigation done by the current group. How you will have the time to ruin an entire operation is beyond me. I hope you're happy with yourself.

Oh the horror! Oh the humanity!

Macteague:

Mea Culpa! Mea Maxime Culpa!

Cerris is quite right when he points out that my "riveting rehashed books" about Oak Island have, ever since the first one came out in 1978, duped men like M.R. Chapell, David Tobias, Dan Blankenship, Charles Brown, David Mugar, and Fred Nolan into squandering millions of dollars by drilling and digging in the wrong places. And now, as Cerris warns, the Michigan Mob will soon be adding a few more wasted millions to the toll as a result of their having read my latest book.

Am I ashamed or remorseful? Not in the least! You see (and this is just between you and me), I have known all along exactly where the treasure lies. However, before I get my chance to dig it up, it has been necessary to beguile all these gullible fools into going broke by wasting all their time and money in the wrong places.

I know, I know. It's a dastardly scheme on my part that you so rightfully chide me for. But (as Mae West once pointed out) a gold digger's gotta do what a gold digger's gotta do.

D'Arcy

It seems to me, the one claiming to have all the facts, and yet withholding those truths from the general public, allowing others to sconder their money in the wrong place, would be more at fault.

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Hi Macteague and Jim, you guys don't seem to get it so I'll try again.

I am a researcher who can assist a licensed treasure holder of the relivant Oak Islans property to recover stored items from below his property. This ammounts to what in my view will be many valuable artifats. If you were in my place would you disclose your finding to the public for nothing and risk becoming superflous to requirements, I don't think so.

For your information I previously achieved the impossible by persuading Blankenship and Nolan to work together on MY PROJECT based on MY THEORIES only to have our offer rejected with distain by the Triton Alliance president David Tobias. It was essentually because I did not have a degree and possibly because he did not like his former friend Blankenship being involved at all, he later tried to cut both Dan and I out by approaching Fred Nolan privately and his offer was rejected.

Some years later I tried to privately help Blankenship in a way which would not benifit Tobias at all, he signed a confidential agreement with me/us which I hoped would get him ten percent of recovered artifacts and Hennigar has seen it, and Fred rejected the idea. The point you two guys do not seem to grasp is that I don't have to tell any of you anything. I/we and especially Fred Nolan do not need Dan Blankenship and the Michigan Group at all, I was trying to include them out of compassion, that may seem to you like time to play the violins but it's true non the less.

Now what O'Conner has done with his deliberate interfering in our business interest is that he has finally ruined the slim chance I had of including the Michiagan group and Blankenship in the only treasure on Oak Island, which in my view is on Fred Nolan's property.

It was important for me personally to at least try to prevent those poor guys wasting a lot of money at the east end of the island by offering them some alturnative interest, if we failed in our attempt they could try their own project as they had planned and they would have only lost only time not money.

That the writer O'Conner has recorded the activaties of the owners is not in dispute, it served it's purpose in showing the island was still active in some ways after years of apparent inactivaty and consiquenty increasing public apathy. The problem is now his fued with me has caused him to inadvertantly end any chance of my ever helping what Fred calls the other side, they won't stop on my say advise so what can I do, blaim the right man.

D'Arcy stirring Fred up doesn't help matters and my hands are tied now, the point is that if we don't get our chance the group are going to lose a lot of money thanks to D'Arcy O'Conner's smear tactics. You can come back with glib replies and sarcasum but time will tell who is/was right.

I predict that another failed treasure hunting attempt around the Money Pit area will be the final nail in the coffin of Oak Island and I would not be at all surprised to see all future applications for treasure trove licences for the place being rejected.

But for the actions of a few near sighted individuals who treat stupidity as a viture it could have so different with Nova Scotis as a whole benifiting more than any individual, there are none so blind as those who will not see.

Cerris

www.oakislandrevelations.com

It will be rather sad when the Michigan group squanders a bunch of money on the dry hole known as Borehole 10X. It truly defies all logic. As we now know, the location of 10X was based on nothing but Blankenship's dowsing skills. Not commonly regarded as sound treasure locating technology. If you're looking for water, maybe. They'll be the proud owners of a very nice water well, probably the most expensive well ever drilled.
I concede that there is a very slight possibility that Blankenship actually hit something by sheer chance, but I sure wouldn't bet a few million (or whatever) on it. Frankly, it serves them right for not even bothering to listen to anyone in the world, who might actually know something they don't. I know, it's a shock that somewhere in the world there may actually be someone with a better knack for reading the clues than Blankenship or Nolan. They have such an impressive track record and all.
I predict this project will be the final nail in Blankenship's ability to attract any investors in his schemes at all. And let's face it, this is Blankenship's last stand on Oak Island, considering his age. Blankenship is "all in" on this one.

jb717:

Not to worry. The Michigan Group has no intention of re-excavating or drilling into Borehole 10X during the next few months. They have something that is far more interesting (and hundreds of meters away) in mind.

D'Arcy

Do tell. Are they going to film this for posterity, and to recoup their otherwise wasted funds? The treasure is exactly where you would expect it to be, in the original treasure pit location, ie; the Hedden shaft. Everywhere else is obviously a waste of time, other than the southern part of the swamp.

In the imagination of people who are wasting their time, money and effort?

I'm glad you understand it is their time, money, and effort to waste. This is a break-through post, being the first thing your group has ever got correct.

Now what was that about Anthony Vaughan from the discovery story as being the same age as McGinnis?

I should perhaps clarify that I'm not a member of any "group" associated with OI. My connection with Mr Joltes is from the year 2000 when he was living in London and attending our Skeptics in the Pub meetings (http://skeptic.org.uk/pub/). I haven't spoken to him for some years or exchanged emails.

It is simply obvious to me, as it is to most people, that there is nothing to OI but myth and fantasy. Which is not to say that there isn't some entertainment to be had from it.

Yeah, well you're wrong, Robert N. The proof is the Oak Island Cross, which I think you and Joltes will have a hard time explaining away. Unless you can prove that the surveys by Nolan and Crooker were falsified, you have to convince the world that a perfectly symmetrical and perpendicular crucifix shape is likely to have been produced on Oak Island by nature.
Since the Cross proves conclusively that large and accurate geometric constructions were important to, and well within the capabilities of, someone who was on Oak Island. Why, then, would a large star shape a few miles South of Oak Island not have been noticed by these geometry-minded people and seen as very significant? What is difficult to believe about such a star figure having been employed in the positioning of a treasure pit on the same island with the large crucifix? It would be MORE difficult to believe that these people DIDN'T notice the very obvious star shape. In order to miss that, you would have to be as unperceptive as Danny Hennigar and D'arcy O'Conner.

jb1717:

Sorry, but I have seen (as has anyone else who has ever walked the island) literally hundreds of "prominent" surface boulders spread all over the place. Give me any geometric shape you want (be it a crucifix, square, triangle, circle, pentagram, Star of David, Zodiac symbol, or whatever), and I (with a transit and chain) could easily within a few hours locate and map out specific boulders that form whatever shape that you wish to see. Of course, I would have to conveniently bypass and ignore all of those many other surface boulders that stupidly refused to fit into my pre-conceived diagram.

It's not "perception"; it's "selective imagination" that does the trick.

D'Arcy

There are no other boulders of that shape and size on the island. Unless you want to call the deceased Mr. Crooker a liar.

jb717:

Not a liar. But he certainly was not a very astute (or else was a very selective) observer. There are all kinds of boulders of that shape and size all over the island. Check it out for yourself and you will see what I mean. I've traversed those lots many times, and I've seen dozens of prominent surface rocks that could mean anything. Or else could mean nothing.

D'Arcy

Alright, we have your word on it. Now let's see some proof such as photos of all the other 8 foot diameter conical granite boulders with the pointy end up. Also include the survey data showing that 6 of them form a perfect crucifix shape. Until then, I'm afraid your word just doesn't meet the evidentiary requirements. While you're at it, perhaps you can provide a reasonable explanation for why someone would have moved a 10 ton boulder, put pieces of a pot bellied stove there and then put the stone back over it. Did they think the stove might try to get away?