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 Post subject: decryption of inscribed stone
PostPosted: 24 Jun 2007 5:50 pm 
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 Post subject: New Oak Island cipher?
PostPosted: 24 Jun 2007 9:41 pm 
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Macteague

Can you elaborate on this amazing discovery of yours? what is the the cipher based on and has it lead to anything significant as such as Keith Ranville decriptive cipher of the money pit stone.

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Macteague,

Intriguing. Care to elaborate?

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I'm very skeptical of that decipherment, but John Dee was the Grandmaster of the Rosicrucians (according to some) so it actually ties in with my own theory.


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 Post subject: Re: New Oak Island cipher?
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crusader wrote:
Macteague

Can you elaborate on this amazing discovery of yours? what is the the cipher based on and has it lead to anything significant as such as Keith Ranville decriptive cipher of the money pit stone.

Crusader


Thank you for the reply. I would not call the discovery amazing. Simply a decryption.
Actually, it is based on the "money pit stone". I won't comment on Mr. Ranville's cipher. While interesting, it is not germane to this interpretation.
The decryption uses a Gaelic cipher based on Hebreo-coptic script which John Dee was fascinated by.

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Hi Mr. Macteague

I notice you are new here, I guess you heard of this place from the surge of interest and controversy going on on the web over the Keith Ranville cipher of the Money pit stone, I am glad more people are comming forward with there own theories as a result of keiths' theory.

Do you have diagrams of the translations to your cipher?


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Actually, I came here because of Mr. Gough's interesting site content.
I have never heard of Keith Ranville, or his cipher. I have neither noticed, nor seen any reference to this gentleman's theories on the "web". The first time that I saw the posts you mention was at this site.
It certainly has no bearing on my interest in this forum.

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So Macteague

Do you have some sort of diagam to explain your theory? It would be interesting if you could give a run down of your cipher...and a little history on how you made your discovery?


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 Post subject: Zoo
PostPosted: 25 Jun 2007 12:19 pm 
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Macteague,

I am very interested in hearing more about your claims, but not here. As you can clearly see, the animals are in charge of this Zoo and this is not the place to seriously discuss any aspect of Oak Island, it is futile and draining. There are a few posters (2 - 3) who have some insight and something to say, but they are vastly overshadowed by the inmates, you can rationally discuss Oak Island with these few elsewhere in a much better spot.

I invite you to register at www.oakislandtreasure.co.uk and discuss your Oak Island theories in an environment that does not include personal insults, slanderous comments, ignorant chest thumping rants. In fact, the moderators of that forum will actively stand to protect the integrity of posters who have something to contribute and that is why the escapees end up here. They have been banned after repeated warnings and for obvious reasons that I am sure surface for you as you read their nasty, paranoid, delusional posts.

Now stand back and watch as I am sure there will be some debilitating, stupid and sometimes humorous replies and to reactions to this.

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Yeah, sure, go to oakislandtreasure forum, where they insult and ban anyone who actually has a plausible OI theory and then go on with their mutual back patting club in which they congratulate each other on solving absolutely nothing even vaguely related to Oak Island. Get outta here, Tank, and slink back to the Oak Island Tourism Society, because that's all you will ever be, an Oak Island tourist!


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jb1717 wrote:
Yeah, sure, go to oakislandtreasure forum, where they insult and ban anyone who actually has a plausible OI theory and then go on with their mutual back patting club in which they congratulate each other on solving absolutely nothing even vaguely related to Oak Island. Get outta here, Tank, and slink back to the Oak Island Tourism Society, because that's all you will ever be, an Oak Island tourist!


oakislandtreasure.co.uk funny farm
That's the last place you want disclose any theory, they will fart on you down the road or claim some kind of noteriety from your discovery like they tried to do with Mr. Ranville's discoveries, take it from other peoples Nightmareish experiences! Tank is one of trolls that will be your first nemisi...he turn all nice guys bitter' stay independent from that place a word for the wise..

If andrew invited you here then this would be the best place to come all the leading Oak Island theories are here! :D oakislandtreasure.co.uk does come here and does some character bashing ever so often that is expected from jealous neurotics...with no credible theories of there own

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 Post subject: Prediction
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Macteague,

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Now stand back and watch as I am sure there will be some debilitating, stupid and sometimes humorous replies and to reactions to this.


See what I mean?

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Tank the P.R solicitor for a oak island odd website that you can't Clearly see in, because the people in there fenced in chat line don't have the foggiest idea on what they are doing!
There’s no serious researchers there they all threw there support to there obtuse carnage and became better men.

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 Post subject: Re: Zoo
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Tank04 wrote:
Macteague,

I invite you to register at www.oakislandtreasure.co.uk and discuss your Oak Island theories in an environment that does not include personal insults, slanderous comments, ignorant chest thumping rants. In fact, the moderators of that forum will actively stand to protect the integrity of posters who have something to contribute and that is why the escapees end up here. They have been banned after repeated warnings and for obvious reasons that I am sure surface for you as you read their nasty, paranoid, delusional posts.


Tank.

*cough* www.oakislandcoffeehouse.com *cough*

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crusader wrote:
Tank the P.R solicitor for a oak island odd website that you can't Clearly see in, because the people in there fenced in chat line don't have the foggiest idea on what they are doing!
There’s no serious researchers there they all threw there support to there obtuse carnage and became better men.

CRUSADER


OAK ISLAND TREASURE AND OITS AFFILIATED CHAPTER
The coffee house another chat line you cant see in with out loggin in but I give them E for effort! for being independent. :wink: THEY WOULD BE MORE SUCCESSFULL IF THEY THROUGH THERE SUPPORT TO THERE AFFILIATES ALL TOGETHER.

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Thank you for your replies. May I ask that you move the off-topic discussion to a more appropriate thread? I have no interest in previous personal enmities.
Crusader, your scatological references are unseemly in a proper discussion. Can you please confine your discourse to suitable standards?

I will visit the recommended websites. I am always avid to learn more about Oak Island.

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 Post subject: NEW READING OF MYSTERIOUS OAK ISLAND INSCRIPTION
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NEW READING OF MYSTERIOUS OAK ISLAND INSCRIPTION


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Theory points to possible connection with nearby Birch Island

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HALIFAX, Nova Scotia: Wednesday, 11th, 2007
- - For the past two centuries, the tunnels of Nova Scotia’s Oak Island have piqued the imagination of historians and treasure hunters alike. Now, a new theory by First Nations researcher Keith Ranville may add fresh speculation to the mystery. Based on a unique reading of an inscription once found in the “Money Pit,” Mr. Ranville believes that the answer to the riddle may be found on nearby Birch Island.

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Oak Island, located on the scenic Mahone Bay about an hour’s drive south of the provincial capital of Halifax, has been associated with buried treasure since the late 18th century. Local settlers reportedly found a ship’s tackle block hanging from a tree branch, overhanging a large depression in the ground.


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Early efforts to dig down failed when the diggers encountered layers of timber every 10 feet. In the ensuing generations, several organized excavation attempts have drilled down nearly 200 feet, en route encountering some artifacts within the staggered layers of logs, clay, putty, charcoal, flagstones and most perplexingly, coconut husks.

During the earlier diggings of 1800’s, the tunnel had become flooded by seawater – which many believed was the result booby trap being sprung – thus complicating further digging since then. A drilling effort in the mid 1800’s was said to have uncovered fragments of a gold chain. In 1971, a camera was lowered into the pit and reportedly captured images of wooden chests and human remains.

Franklin and Eleanor 6 years
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Among the scores of enthusiastic treasure hunters was a young Franklin Roosevelt, one of the investors in a 1909 excavation attempt.

One of the most fascinating artifacts from the pit was said to be a flat stone recovered at the 90 foot depth, carrying a mysterious inscription. A fragment of stone with similar symbols was found nearby in Smith’s Cove in the 1930’s. The stone tablet itself has gone missing, but a record of its symbols remains. Until now, the consensus is that the symbols are a code translated as;
“forty feet below two million pounds are buried.”
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Oak Island Money pit inscriptions
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However, Keith Ranville’s theory offers a different interpretation as to the stone’s symbols, which could lead to a new explanation of the Oak Island mystery. “I believe these symbols have been incorrectly assumed to stand for something else. In the First Nations tradition that I’m a part of, we believe symbols should simply be looked at in and of themselves, rather than thinking of them as codes that have to be cracked,” Mr. Ranville explained. “In the pictograms of Cree Salavics, for example, the images are meant to be descriptive, not abstract.” Using this approach, Mr. Ranville examined the Oak Island symbols and found what may be a set of instructions about a tunnel system involving both Oak Island and nearby Birch Island.

Keith Ranville's Translations
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For example, the stone inscription begins with a triangle symbol, which is repeated throughout. Mr. Ranville believes that this represents nearby Birch Island, which has a distinctly triangular clearing on its north shore. Likewise, a symbol showing a circle divided into two hemispheres can be thought of as representing north/south directional markers. A series of dots in singles, pairs and triplets may be quantitative symbols.

Examining all the symbols in this way, Mr. Ranville believes that the symbols on the Money Pit’s stone tablet are actually technical instructions describing the location and layout of a possible underground network involving both Oak Island and Birch Island.

Oak Island inscribed artifact with the same inscriptions as the money pit symbol's
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“There was a fragment of another stone tablet that was found on Oak Island’s Smith Cove in the 1930’s,” Mr. Ranville explained. “It too has these types of symbols, but one in particular appears to be a Greek symbol designating ‘underwater door’. In conjunction with the other symbols, I believe this points to underwater doors and additional shafts on Birch Island itself.”

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Smith’s Cove is on the part of Oak Island that is closest to Birch Island, and is said to have yielded several artifacts itself over the years.

“Based on the inscribed symbols, I think we should be looking at Oak Island and Birch Island together in order to solve the mystery. If Birch Island proves to have underwater doors and tunnels around its triangular clearing, then it would be a huge step forward in our understanding of what Oak Island is all about.”


There have been many, occasionally bizarre, theories as to what the Oak Island tunnels may contain: a Masonic vault containing the Holy Grail, Viking or Pirate booty, Inca treasure, the French Royal Crown Jewels, payroll for colonial British soldiers or even the secret writings of Francis Bacon. Mr. Ranville prefers not to speculate. “Those are interesting and sometimes funny theories, but I’d rather just look at the evidence that we do have, and go from there.”

Mr. Ranville is a self-taught researcher born in Manitoba. While living in Vancouver, he became acquainted with the Oak Island mystery and began studying it.

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Both Oak Island and Birch Island are private property, and access must be sought by permission of the landowners.
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To be on topic and related to your relativities of the money pit stone cipher?
OK Macteague here is the lastest theory cipher' it has eveything to do with the money pit stone can you elaborate on your translations?

Sincerely


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Macteague:

I too would like to see your translation of the "Inscribed Stone". But I think you'll find a more open audience (even if healthily skeptical) on any site other than this one, which carries the stink of Keith/Crusader/ Oakster/jb1717 (all of them the same person) venom and diaharea.

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please ignore D'arcy of the oakislandtreasure.co.uk he has paranoid personal issues with everyone carry on! I dont know why I am apologizing for a lunatic....

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I am interested in hearing about McTeague's decipherment, but he never actually posts any facts about it. All he does is says such and such is the meaning.


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Crusader,
As I stated previously, Mr. Ranville's theory is interesting, but not germane to this interpretation. You've made these same posts to several areas in this forum. Perhaps you should consolidate them into one thread and they can be discussed there?

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Whilst tracking Dee’s Welsh origins, Mr. Macteag came across documents written in a Gaelic code. These codes were noticed to be in use in Dee’s communications with persons such as Adrian Gilbert and Sir Phillip Sidney.
Mr. Macteag has no specific theories involving the supposed treasure of Oak Island. “I was just following up on these passages I came across, and that search led to the inscribed stone on Oak Island. The familiarity of the stone to the Hebreo-Coptic script that was coded in Gaelic by Dee was fascinating.” He hopes that his modest decryption may aid others in their search for treasure.

Dee was fascinated by older languages. This may have been because of his interests in mysticism and other occult activities. It is believed that he began his acquisition of Hebrew works as early as 1561.

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jb1717, I am also interested in Dee's ties to Rosicrucianism. I'll attempt to post some references for this.
Have you read The Mathematicall Praeface to the Elements of Geometrie of Euclid of Megara ?

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Macteague wrote:
Whilst tracking Dee’s Welsh origins, Mr. Macteag came across documents written in a Gaelic code. These codes were noticed to be in use in Dee’s communications with persons such as Adrian Gilbert and Sir Phillip Sidney.

Dee was fascinated by older languages. This may have been because of his interests in mysticism and other occult activities. It is believed that he began his acquisition of Hebrew works as early as 1561.


So Macteague your decipher is based on a ancient writting of welsh Gaelic code so these money pit symbols will line up with this writting and this writting is well documented? or kinda fits like the berber symbols that are on another thread? or was this writting handed down in folk story because many cultures do this but this is hard to prove authentic? or be accepted by scholars sorry if the post I made ofends you but carry on.

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Macteague wrote:
jb1717, I am also interested in Dee's ties to Rosicrucianism. I'll attempt to post some references for this.
Have you read The Mathematicall Praeface to the Elements of Geometrie of Euclid of Megara ?


No I haven't. Now please show us exactly how the code relates to the phrase you posted, which you seem rather reluctant to do.


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