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The Fa Tour within site of and orientated towards Rennes le Chateau.


Glastonbury Tor former haunt of the "Once and Future King"


According to Noel Corbu Sauniere planned on building a Tower 133 metres high

Why would he want to do that?

Saunière had no such plans I think. This is only a myth invented by Corbu and reproduced in Le trésor maudit by de Sède.

Strange myth, I must say.

towers are interesting as they are linked to stargates /portals both spiritually and physically

The Tower Tarot card isn't just a tower as you can see.

Thanks for posting that Roscoe. And there is the number 22 again - 22 yellow flames / orbs (what are they?). Is that coincidental, or is it significant from a Kabalistic stand point, as our friend Philip Coppens has pointed out recently...

Andrew

22 archetypal harmonics..positive language

Tree of Life - Yes

The Watchtower Society may know something.

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There are only two types of towers that I know of; the folly tower, and the elevated watchtower that had some defensive capability.

Both Folly-tower and watch-tower might function as viewing platforms, but both the were also designed to be seen from afar. In the case of the folly it might add something to the landscape or signal ownership etc; whereas the watch-tower might influence the actions of an agressor.

As far as I can see, the only reason the fuction of the Girona and RLC towers are being questioned here is because someone has suggested that they are portals to other diemensions? Unfortunately there is no proof of this one way or the other and there never will be as far as I can see, so are we not best exploring what we do know.

I would therefore suggest that to advance this enquiry we should try and identify which of these two functions best fits these towers; i.e. to examine the towers in their landscape/location, and also to see if one can view anything of importance from their windows, slits, and upper platforms?

Given that both locations are associated with the enactment of mysterious rituals I would be inclined to explore their views of the eastern and western horizons. I would specifically target the heliacal rising and setting of stars, in particular the Pleaides. In the case of RLC, there may be fore and rear markers on the tower itself that assist in looking for key risings/settings? This is all a bit speculative I know, but the hardest part of any enquiry is to ask the right questions.

John

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Hi Jake (I assume its Jake?)

I have only visited RLC once, last summer, but being new to the mysteries of the place I didn't check out the vista's from the tower.

What we need is someone with access to one of those astronomical programmes that shows you the rising and setting of the stars from any given location here on earth.

We know from Patrice's book the "City of Secrets" that a ceremony took place in June. This suggests to me that the rising or setting of the Pleaides star cluster might be a sky marker, just as it was in antiquity.

I'm not sure that height was an important factor with these towers, and as you say, light pollution would not have been an issue when they were built. So I think our speculative enquiry should concentrate upon the horizon that was/is visible from these towers.

It has long been proposed that neolithic people used the horizon as a foresight as they observed the night sky from their circles, henges, and mounds etc. It has long been suggested that they tracked the movements of sun, moon, planets, and stars in order to time their agricultural activity. My hypothesis however, indicates that these astronomical observation were designed to time their ritual activity.

I'm no expert, so I will ask the members of this forum, whether it would be possible to check out this "horizon marker" theory without actually standing on these towers?

John

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Hi Jake,

I'm a retired old fart myself, not as old as you mind, but I do have a nerd son of my own who would love the music to that animation, which was great incidentally.

Back to the point of the towers; I am sure that there is software available that will displays the rising and setting of stars on the horizon from any given location on earth, I just need to find it, then we'll discover what, if anything, can be seen from these two tower. I believe that Andrew's Girona trip confirmed that they both had the same orientation, I'll check out his article.

Back in a few weeks

John

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Hi Jake

Your absolutely right, you do waffle on a bit; I bet your son is forever telling you the same... the joys of fatherhood.

I'm afraid you are going to have to wait for part two of my article here on Arcadia to discover (what I believe) is the importance of astronomy to this mystery. It may also explain the towers?

John

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Jake

I'm afraid I am going to disagree with you here; if one wants to observe the rising and setting of stars etc on the horizon, you don't need to be on top of a mountain like Mt Cardou; it actually becomes part of the horizon! As it is, I believe that both eastern and western horizons had, and have ritual relevence. I would need to check, but I would assume that the west would have particular significance for someone practicing a death rite such as La Sanch might perform? The date of certain individuals death's, like Sauniere's for example, might be significant here.

I don't wish to pre-empt my article, but the fact that both RLC and Girona are assocated with altar stones suggests that they were once ancient sacred sites. I cannot recall one British Neolithic Stone circle that has been constructed at the highest point in the landscape, although they are invariably found upon what is now hilly and mountainous scrub moorland. Interestingly, most of these sites have continued to attract burial rites over the interceding millennia, and many have churches erected over them. Back to the point, if one wanted to co-ordinate ones ritual activity with a specific period/point in the suns rising for example, one would simply choose an appropriate marker star; not neccesarily one that is low on the horizon, it might be high in the sky, just peeping over a mountain, or indeed just setting in the west, when the suns rays begin to obscure it; i.e. heliacally rising and setting.

All will become clear (hopefully) sometime in Sept/Nov.

John

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Jake

The way this conversation is going we'll probably discover were old army buddies. I too was in the army and I spent a lot of time in the desert, which is one reason why I became a good navigator.

I'm not an expert in astronomy, but I do know that if you wanted to mark a specific solar-earth event, which my data suggests ancient priests did, then you don't need to see all of the night sky. You just need to be able to pick out regular prominant star markers, which is why Ursa Major was so important, it gave ancient people a fixed and reliable reference point in the sky. However, to pinpoint specific periods in this solar-earth event, you would also need to mark time, and for this you need prominant stars, like Venus and the Pleaides, that moves across the night sky; and as you know, the east-west movement of these stars was hugely important to ancient people, not to underpin an agricultural calandar, but to mark out their ritual calandar.

Sounds like you spend some time in California?

John

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Hi Jake

Back from my hols and plenty to do. Take your point about the view of the northern stars being blocked by mountains, but this is merely a technicality as these stars are constantly North of everywhere on earth. On land, all one needs to do is make one observation and place a few sticks in the ground to mark the direction of north. So one could easily observe the direction of the big dipper via someone signalling its direction from the horizon, even if this is atop a mountain. I think we strayed from my original argument here, which was that these towers might be elevations designed to enable someone to mark a precise time/date in the suns rising and setting, say by viewing the heliacal rising of a star for instance, in order to precisely schedule some ritual act. I don't know how easy this would have been to do back in Saunieres days as I am no astronomer. But I do know that both the heliacal risings of Venus and the Pleaides were important markers for ancient ritual activity. Why they were is something I hope to help explain once I sit down and write my follow-up article.

John

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John this may interest you.




and this.



Is this Daughter of Jerusalem the one for whom was dedicated The Abbey of Notre Dame du Mont de Sion under the auspices of King Baudouin. The one that the Dossier Secret says had a leader called Ursus.

Migdalah is the feminine form of a Tower but is also a figurative form for a pyramidal bed of flowers. Like this one from Sauniere's church



Eder is Hebrew for an arrangement but more often means a flock. As in Flock of Doves for example(!)

So Tower of the Flock is Migdalah-Eder corrupted to Magdalene.

Hi Jake

I agree with you about Nancy Reagan, and astrology in general, but I certainly would not rubbish the basic tenet of astrology, which is that the stars, or at least our sun, moon, and planets, can effect living organisms here on earth... watch this space.

Hi again Roscoe

Thanks for those Pleiades references, any ideas where the Jehovah witnessses got this knowledge from?

John