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....... You guys might find this interesting then...l'étrange monsieur Michel Sabatier...read on.


http://www.societe-perillos.com/micheline2.htm


edited to say; the article was posted up yesterday.

Thanks Sheila.

I didnt know this was here.

I will translate and see what it is all about

you probably already know about this site but i will stick it on here for anyone that missed it last time round......and all the grail seekers

William of Gellone lord of Razes ......

http://willehalm.nl/grailsites/Oransch.htm
http://willehalm.nl/grailsites/index.htm
http://www.rlcresearch.com/2009/05/24/w ... f-gellone/

Has anybody seen it? I don't think anybody's claiming to have seen it. Everything I've seen written about it describes it as what I would call a hypothetical construct, with a hypothetical provenance. BTW, such things can and do exist, but I don't think Isaac is claiming to have seen it. If he has, BTW, I'm willing to rethink my opinion about it. Nothing he's said so far about it leads me to believe he, or anyone else, has actually seen it.

I don't think they're lying. I think their theory doesn't seem fully sound yet. Or, as I've said all along, hasn't been explained very well. Of course, there appear to be constraints. Apparently explaining it better might lead to people finding it, and apparently unlike everybody else dealing with the RlC subject, they appear to be a positing an object they want NOT to be found, not TO BE found.



I don't either ... but then I also don't think it's what most other people think it is, and it definitely wasn't what it first claimed itself to be.

My current paradigm is it is/was/or is in some way connected to, Lamy's Angelic Society. (I'm reading his book right now alongside Patrice's.)



Just a guess, given that elsewhere they refer to themselves as Rose Croix Veritas?



Who's saying he didn't think it was important?

Surrealism isn't taken very siriusly by people, but I believe they saw their project as very sirius.

The Surrealists proclaimed a revolution that would free the mind. I think that's pretty important.



Yes, it does, Sandy.

And don't misunderstand my point: the point of the Theatre of the Absurd wasn't necessarily to say life had no meaning or purpose; just the opposite, but that we had to create it ourselves.

Wow! That symbol is all over the place at RLC! The letters are interlaced like the PS of the Priory of Sion symbol, and the "M" is for their own Mary, the Magdalen as you said.

Can anyone tell me how Sauniere was "directed" to find the crista?

"A secret which can be used to obtain wealth" - Poussin. I think you`ve discovered what it was!

Speaking of that femur in the logo and the Templar skull and bones,
and since Seeker is getting bored with this subject, here`s a photo
from this year`s All Souls Procession. Since these are French aristocrats,
I think they are pertinent. To see a 90 min. slide-show of the parade, go to
http://flickr.com and type in "Tucson All Souls Procession 2009" - 10,000 people!

It's not a femur, look at the representations on the "veil", ceiling and arches, its a hrizontal bar with two blobs at each end displaced inferiorly. In the LSR glyph, the representation is different, yes on the right perhaps similar to the neck of a femur (human or otherwise) but nothing like the real thing on the left of the bar. Ergo nothing Templar from that interpretation.

i believe a crista is the same as a term, often used/seen in some family information, it is cristo/christo.
there is an old legend about the cristo. something about, 7 generations, blah, blah, blah. i would have to look this up to write this in more detail. but for now, crista is the same as a cristo. it can also be googled.

how many more times.....its Crista

rots of ruck Tingra, I hope she finally believes ya.

I think cristo was the artist who wrapped the islands around Miami in Pink.



I think he also has a sandwich named after him.



It's really tasty with the powdered sugar on it.

Does the "S" in the sigil symbolize the Nehushtan serpent on the staff of Moses? - the medicinal serpent comparable to the Caduceus? Is it the Red Serpent - Le Serpent Rouge?

Take it from a CSI fan, that`s a femur.

Could the crista be a metal scrying mirror?
The Pax Chi Rho could represent the round pattern
on the back of a gold mirror.

Take it from a legally qualified medical practitioner with over 30yrs clinical experience.......it's not a femur. May I suggest you consider an opthalmological review?
Or better still, find a depiction of a human femur; look carefully at the appearance of the femoral condyles, these are at the knee end of the femur FYI, are relatively similar in appearance and bear no resemblance whatsoever to what we are discussing. Jeez, it's bad enough seeing the worried well on a Saturday, without having to resort to counsel in cyberspace.

Thanks for clearing that, doc.

RS,

I take it ya also mean the potentially psychic well on the forum, hehehe, or should I narrow it down further to the psychologically functioning on the forum? BTW, what new surprises are forecast to get the collective knickers of Oz in a twist?

It seems Gordie boy is making the rounds of HRH's Commonwealths to get them to cough up cannon fodder for the Afghan fiasco.

I had no idea so many countries have a vested interest to protect all of the opium poppies growing there? I see photo's of UK troopies walkin' thru nearly ripe poppy fields as if they are there to protect them from a Taliban raid on the 'Net.

Is marijuana the 2nd largest money crop in Oz yet, like it is in the U.S? I know this is a bit off topic, but the medicinal aspects of a cadeuceus and other medically related arcana spun off the crista biz would apply to this development.

Frank Zappa names it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1OnRaXUj04&feature=related

eginolf,

I thought ya would have included these as well...
http://www.expotv.com/videos/reviews/16 ... outi/58660
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-N8uKzC03E

It seems Zappa was way ahead of his time and saw what the drug scene entailed, in all of its nasty vile vagaries.

In mentioning drugs, its no secret in times way back when that all sorts of hashish blends were used in incense burners. HIndu cults couldn't manage without them. It makes me wonder if Cathars or Sauniere didn't pacify their adherents with a bit of mother's lil' helper, to cadge a line from Ringo or Joe Cocker. South France in them thar hills in winter ain't 'zakly like campin' out on South Beach of Miami.

Times were rough, rugged and raw, not that much different from now if yer outside campin' in the Pyrenees in winter today. Since the notion of a supermarket didn't surface 'til well after WW2 in rural France, what did folk in RLC do to survive long cold winters in Sauniere's time?

I am sure folk would love to have had a genie trapped in a bottle to be sent on errands, like goin' shoppin'.

Are we talking about the same drawing? This is a leg bone.
The "S" is the Nehushtsan serpent of Moses and the "M"
is for Magdalene. The orb at the top is significant as well.

Saunière's Mariani wine was coca leaves though, was it not.

This, apparently:




Image and Text from Wikipedia

How interesting, I thought that the coca-wine was from La Belle Epoch. It was a long time ago
that I read the article about it in "High Times" mag. - in the `70s I think. Well, that certainly adds a
new dimension to the RLC proceedings.

Mick Jagger`s words, you are a rocker then Roger, yes, it was Valium or perhaps Milaril.

How interesting, of course the Nehushtan serpent represents the Rx which I`m sure played a part.
The Rx turns people into symbolists.

Yep, same glyph. I agree (vide infra) the right hand side as viewed appears very similar to the neck of a human femur. But not the left, definitely not. Go find a pic on the web and see for yourself. Google "femoral condyle".

...looks like a femur to me doc...very distinctive shape.

Thankyou Sheila, a picture tells a... etc etc. First of all, regardez the veil pic, note how the excrescences at either end both hang downwards, almost like the bottom of the femur of your right hand pic, but NOT the top.This pic is almost a true lateral of the bone, and you can see that no matter which way one turns it, both end "blobs" cannot face the same way.
Now for the glyph....this as I said looks more like a femur (and hence quite different from the veil depiction) in that the neck is well represented with the head, and even a greater trochanter on the other side. (Yes, there is a lesser trochanter, but we will leave that for another day ) The condyles, if that is what they are meant to be, are not anatomically accurate as seen in your left hand pic, which shows the femur in an "anterior/posterior" position. Maybe one is (the medial femoral condyle), but definitely not t'other. If can do one, why not both?
So, what does it all mean? Dunno. Is it important? Suspect not.
If it were, I would expect the two depictions to be very similar on both veil and glyph, and be closer to the real thing. If the glyph alone is trying to be the more accurate, then one wonders from whence it came....certainly not the veil.