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PostPosted: 14 Nov 2009 12:43 pm 
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Like rain, I am also going through Michel Lamy's book on Verne.

It's weird. I remember Robert Anton Wilson discussing Lamy's book way back in the 90s for Gnosis magazine. Of course, having finally read it, some of the things RAW said finally make a bit more sense.

Anyway, two things in the book I find kind of interesting, that RAW never discussed.

Verne wrote a book called the Will of an Eccentric. It's based on the Goose Game, a game which apparently is an older version of Chutes & Ladders/ Snakes & Ladders, and which goes back a few centuries. Of course, Lamy hints it's even older than that and calls it the Sacred Goose Game, and links it (natch) to La Reine Pedaque.

I've read a lot of Verne stories -- this one I've never seen -- apparently it involves playing the game on a board writ large; the entire board is actually the states of the United States of America.... the moves of the game mean they actually go from state to state ...

http://www.julesverne.ca/vernebooks/jvbkwill.html

William J. Hypperbone, an eccentric millionaire, living in Chicago, has left the sum of his fortune, $60,000,000, to the first person to reach the end of "The Noble Game of the United States of America." The game he devised is based upon the board game "The Noble Game of Goose"; however, in his version, the players are the tokens and the game board is the United States. The contestants are Max Real (with his companion Tommy); Tom Crabbe (with his trainer John Milner); Hermann Titbury (with his wife Kate); Harris T. Kymbale (on his own); Lizzie Wag (with her friend Jovita Foley); Hodge Urrican (with his companion Turk) and the mysterious player only known as "XKZ." And who is this mysterious "XKZ" who was added to the game by a codicil to the will? Time and completion of the game will tell.

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http://maf.mcq.org/jeux/jouets/vignette ... 7-0128.php

The earliest mention of this game was made at the court of the Medici in Florence, circa 1580. It was then referred to as “ the renewed noble game from the Greeks ”, and served as the basis for many educational and moral games.

Symbolically, the goose announces danger. The French for goose, “oie”, has the same roots as “oreille” (ear) and “entendre” (to hear). The theme of the game is to understand life. Its spiral form represents the maze all must pass through to gain such understanding. Bridge, well, prison, death: these are all mythological figures along the path, some of which correspond to esoteric tarot images.

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Anyway, these folks seem to think the Sacred/Noble Goose Game goes back to ancient Greece and is actually depicted by the mysterious Phaistos Disk ... not sure if I agree but they do suggest the game is ancient, but revived during the Renaissance. They also connect it to the ancient art of making labyrinths.

http://www.recoveredscience.com/labyrinthriddle.htm

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.....which brings us back round to the Field of Stars, the Cagots and the mysteries of the Cromleck/Labyrinth.


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Lamy also has a chapter on Maurice Leblanc, where he talks about ALCOR ... Ad Lapidem Currebat Olim Regina ...

That phrase apparently appears in Plantard's 1978 introduction to LVLC, who claims that the phrase was actually found on a stone near RlB. According to Lamy, Chaumeil also mentions the same stone (around 1982, this was before he went rogue), but says he heard it from de Cherisey.

http://www.connectotel.com/rennes/prefpp.html

A Rennes-les-Bains, le méridien passe entre Serres et Peyrolles, voisinant le tombeau d’Arques dit des "Bergers d’Arcadie", pour continuer sur Ie Serbaïrou à l’endroit où se trouve une pierre de près de 2 m de haut portant gravée l’inscription latine: "Ad Lapidem Currebat Olim Regina" (vers la pierre courait jadis la reine). Cette reine, c’est la ligne rouge du méridien, "Rose-Line" écrirait l’abbé Boudet. Peut-être aurait-il raison, car Roseline, abbesse de la "Celle aux Arcs" à sa fête le 17 janvier... et sa légende mérite lecture

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http://www.perillos.com/angelina_2.html

Alcor is the second star of the Great Bear. Its name comes from the arab “al-qur”, the rider. It forms the key of the enigma in a novel by Maurice Leblanc, “The countess of Cagliostro”, published in July 1924. In the novel, Alcor is the result of the initials of the words in the famous sentence “Ad lapidem olim currebat Regna”, “Towards the stone the Queen ran formerly”: Alcor. The phrase is well-known to aficionados of the mystery of Rennes-le-Château. In this novel, the stars of the Great Bear are mirrored on and conform to seven abbeys in the region of Caux, in France. With the projection of this constellation on the ground, it is thus possible to situate the placement of the star Alcor, which marks the location of the treasures of the kings of France

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Definitely one of my favourites out of all the books I've thus far read in this genre; such an interesting book (did you note the author's reference to meeting de Cherisey down there, and his suggesting that he look into Verne?), that's packed with ideas. I particularly like the part on Clovis Dardentor, and the way in which Lamy relates this to the landscape around Rennes-les-Bains.

From another part of the book - apologies, as I have quoted this before, but with cromlecks in mind, as referenced above, Lamy quotes this from the Necronomicon. Not wishing to re-start that whole Lovecraft debate from earlier in the year, but just in terms of the words used, I do like this quote, and it does make me think of cromlecks.

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To construct the porch through which will manifest those who come from the void, you must erect stones in certain configurations. First you will place the four cardinal stones that will define the direction of the four winds that blow according to the season. Toward the north, place the stone of the great chills that will be the gate of the winter wind, and you will carve there the emblem of the bull, sign of earth ..... These stones will be the gate by which you will invoke those who are outside the time and space of men. Pray on these stones at night when the light of the moon grows weak, turning your face in the direction from which they will come, by uttering the words and making the gestures that will bring the Old Ones and allow them once again to walk the Earth.


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Sheila wrote:
.....which brings us back round to the Field of Stars, the Cagots and the mysteries of the Cromleck/Labyrinth.


So Boudet's cromlech is a labyrinth, sheila? That takes me in our maze to ... Robert Richardson. (I like him, but I don't always agree with him. But then, if everybody agreed with everybody, life would be boring.)

http://www.alpheus.org/html/articles/es ... dson3.html

Until the last century, in parts of rural Ireland and Wales, many ancient Celtic customs were preserved and several labyrinths, their actual purpose long forgotten, were maintained and the custom of ritualistically walking them observed. The ancient ritual consisted of entering the labyrinth from the north, and proceeding through it in a clockwise, processional fashion. At Rennes-le-Château, this would entail entering the valley near Blanchefort and the mountain of Pech Cardou, and eventually emerging at Rennes-le-Château. This represents the descent of spirit into man, its symbolic entombment at Rennes-le-Château, and eventual emergence.

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The path of the Rennes-les-Bains / Rennes-le-Château labyrinth was clearly marked in the past by a series of fourteen carved crosses in the landscape. They eventually became overgrown and forgotten. They were rediscovered by Abbe Boudet and he wrote of how he found Greek crosses carved in the landscape of his Cromlech.(16) To the Celts, the landscape held a special meaning.(17) They held a special spiritual communion with it, and used it as a mirror for the themes of their bards and of their Druids.(18) 600 years before Christ, Celtic crosses were used to mark special locations in the landscape.(19) Later, in these same locations in Christian times, the stations of the cross were placed in the landscape in Italy and in France to reenact in Christian terms the labyrinth experience,(20) and to create a mystical Christian spiritual transformation. In the area surrounding Rennes-les-Bains, the crosses were recarved in Christian times into "Greek" Christian crosses. Visiting these sites was the reason Sauniere took long walks in the countryside. The labyrinth of the two Rennes can be walked in fourteen successive stages.

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Seeker1 wrote:
Sheila wrote:
.....which brings us back round to the Field of Stars, the Cagots and the mysteries of the Cromleck/Labyrinth.


So Boudet's cromlech is a labyrinth, sheila? That takes me in our maze to ... Robert Richardson.


Small world. I quoted him earlier today on the RLC page; different part of the same article.

I thought what he wrote in the bits you quoted about cromlecks and the Celts was quite interesting.


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From another part of the book - apologies, as I have quoted this before, but with cromlecks in mind, as referenced above, Lamy quotes this from the Necronomicon. Not wishing to re-start that whole Lovecraft debate from earlier in the year, but just in terms of the words used, I do like this quote, and it does make me think of cromlecks.


Well, I found it kind of funny to also see Lamy discussing the Necronomicon as it was a real book.

Of course, I also found it odd to see him discussing the Hollow Earth too, that kind of tends to go with high crankiness (Raymond Bernard, ugggh) ... but it's clear that he's using it more metaphorically than anything else.

Plus I'm starting to see where the so-called "Dragon Order" may have cribbed some of their stuff about Dracula from ... it comes right from Lamy. He's big into Dracula. Vampires again.

Please note I believe HP Lovecraft invented the Necronomicon for his fiction; that does not mean in creating his fiction and describing rituals described in the book, he couldn't have drawn on real pagan traditions. That I would agree with.

Lovecraft based a lot of his stories on dreams, too (I really love the Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath), and so I also wouldn't pooh-pooh people looking for deeper significance in that.

I don't think the Great Old Ones exist, though. Cthulhu fhtagn.

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Oh and speaking of Labyrinths ... one more thing.

He also discusses Paul de Saint-Hilaire in one or two of the chapters.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_de_Saint-Hilaire

Paul Meurice, plus connu sous son nom d'auteur de Paul de Saint-Hilaire né en 1926, était un écrivain belge dont l'ésotérisme fut le thème de prédilection.

L'Univers secret du labyrinthe, Editions Alphée, 23.11.2006

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There's a memoriam notice at the bottom so I'm guessing he's dead.

Now BTW there was an earlier Paul Meurice who was a colleague of Victor Hugo's ... I wonder if they're related.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Meurice

Anyhoo ... so what he said about labyrinths. Like many people, he traces their usage back to Minos, Egypt, the Celts, etc. I would agree.

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Jake, you can join in with this conversation.....you have the book :D


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Tingra, when I got to when Lamy went out in to the aether, my take is he never came back. He was doing fine when he focused on Verne.

He undoubtedly went deeper into Verne's arcana than anybody else. I will have to do a re-read to pick up where I left off as regards his own peccadillos. Once folk go sci-fi I take it they have life in the aether on their mind, like Arthur Clarke + Philp K Dick. No wonder The Necronomicon had to be invented.

Here in Sweden the layout of Druidic based megaliths extended on by the Vikings had this myth bit of Valhalla attached to them. Current Swedish archaeological thinking regarding these boat shaped megalith formations have more with Freja worship and the boat shape is actually vulvar - vaginal.

They were just a bunch of sex deviants with this Freja cult as an excuse to get drunk + go berserk. I don't think Lamy's intimations from what I recall of his book have this Viking ideation in mind, when it comes to invoking spirits in these megaliths. No wonder the Vikings had to keep bringing Irish women back to replenish the local supply. These retards did themselves in during these rite-rituals by the usual clashing of clans.

No different than when skinheads go berserk here.

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CRYPTONOMICON VS NECRONOMICON &
DEE VS THE PICATRIX

Your such a smarty-pants Roger but I like it. :lol:


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Cryptonomicon

Cover of first edition (hardcover)
Author Neal Stephenson
Country United States
Language English
Genre(s) Novel
Publisher Avon
Publication date 1999
Media type Hardcover (first edition)
Pages 918 pp (first edition hardcover)
ISBN ISBN 0-380-97346-4 (first edition hardcover)
OCLC Number 40631785
Dewey Decimal 813/.54 21
LC Classification PS3569.T3868 C79 1999
Cryptonomicon is a 1999 novel by American author Neal Stephenson. It concurrently follows both the exploits of World War II-era Allied codebreakers and tactical-deception operatives affiliated with the Government Code and Cypher School at Bletchley Park as well as their present day descendants' efforts to employ cryptologic, telecom and computer technology to build an underground data haven in the Sultanate of Kinakuta to facilitate anonymous Internet banking using electronic money and (later) digital gold currency, with a longer range objective to distribute Holocaust Education and Avoidance Pod (HEAP) media for instructing genocide-target populations on defensive warfare.

Contents [hide]
1 Genre and subject matter
1.1 Title
2 Characters
2.1 World War II storyline
2.1.1 Fictional characters
2.1.2 Historical figures
2.2 Modern-day storyline
2.3 Both storylines
3 Technical content
4 Allusions/references from other works
5 Literary significance and criticism
6 Editions
7 See also
8 Notes
9 External links


[edit] Genre and subject matter
Cryptonomicon won the Locus Award for Best Science Fiction Novel in 2000.[1] That same year, the novel was nominated for both the Hugo and Arthur C. Clarke Awards.[1]

Cryptonomicon is closer to the genres of historical fiction and contemporary techno-thriller than to the science fiction setting of Stephenson's two previous novels, Snow Crash and Diamond Age, and features fictionalized characterizations of such historical figures as Alan Turing, Douglas MacArthur, Winston Churchill, Isoroku Yamamoto, Karl Dönitz, Albert Einstein, and Ronald Reagan, as well as some highly technical and detailed descriptions of modern cryptography and information security, and subjects ranging from prime numbers and modular arithmetic to Van Eck phreaking.

[edit] Title
According to Stephenson: The title is a play on Necronomicon, the title of a book mentioned in the stories of horror writer H. P. Lovecraft:

I wanted to give it a title a 17th-century book by a scholar would be likely to have. And that's how I came up with Cryptonomicon. I've heard the word Necronomicon bounced around. I haven't actually read the Lovecraft books, but clearly it's formed by analogy to that.[2]

The Cryptonomicon referred to in the novel, described as a "cryptographer's bible", is a fictional book summarizing mankind's knowledge of cryptography and cryptanalysis.

[edit] Characters
[edit] World War II storyline
[edit] Fictional characters
Robert "Bobby" Shaftoe, a gung-ho, haiku-writing United States Marine Raider.
Lawrence Pritchard Waterhouse, an American cryptographer/mathematician serving as an officer in the United States Navy.
Günter Bischoff, a Kapitänleutnant in the Kriegsmarine, who commands a U-Boat for much of the story, and later takes command of a new, advanced submarine fueled with hydrogen peroxide.
Rudolf "Rudy" von Hacklheber, a non-Nazi German mathematician and cryptographer, who spent time attending Princeton University, where he befriended Waterhouse and Turing.
Earl Comstock, a former Electronic Till Corp. executive and US Army officer, who eventually founds the NSA and becomes a key policy maker for US involvement in the Second Indochina War.
Julieta Kivistik, a Finnish woman who assists some of the World War II characters when they find themselves stranded in Sweden, and who later gives birth to a baby boy (Günter Enoch Bobby Kivistik) whose father is uncertain.
“Uncle” Otto Kivistik, Julieta's Finnish uncle, who runs a successful smuggling ring between neutral Sweden, Finland, and the USSR during World War II.
Mary cCmndhd (pronounced "Smith"), a member of a Qwghlmian immigrant community living in Australia, who catches the attention of Lawrence Waterhouse while he is stationed in Brisbane.
Glory Altamira, a nursing student and Bobby Shaftoe's Filipina lover. She becomes a member of the Philippine resistance movement during the Japanese occupation. Mother of Douglas MacArthur Shaftoe.
[edit] Historical figures
Fictionalized versions of several historical figures appear in the World War II storyline:

Alan Turing, the cryptographer and computer scientist, is a colleague and friend of Lawrence Waterhouse and sometime lover of Rudy von Hacklheber.
Douglas MacArthur, the famed U.S. Army general, who takes a central role toward the end of the World War II timeline.
Karl Dönitz, Großadmiral of the Kriegsmarine, is never actually seen as a character but issues orders to his U-Boats, including the one captained by Bischoff. Bischoff threatens to reveal information about hidden war gold unless Dönitz rescinds an order to sink his submarine.
Hermann Göring, who appears extensively in the recollections of Rudy von Hacklheber as Rudy recounts how Göring tried recruiting him as a cryptographer for the Nazis: Rudy delivers an intentionally weakened system, reserving the full system for the use of the conspiracy among the characters to locate hidden gold.
Future President Ronald Reagan is depicted during his wartime service as an officer in the US Army Air Corps Public Relations branch's 1st Motion Picture Unit. He attempts to film an interview with the recuperating and morphine-addled Bobby Shaftoe, who spoils the production with his account of a giant lizard attack and his harsh criticism of General MacArthur.
Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto's 1943 death at the hands of U.S. Army fighter aircraft during Operation Vengeance over Bougainville Island fills an entire chapter. During his fateful flight, the Commander-in-Chief of the Japanese Imperial Navy's Combined Fleet reflects upon the failures and hubris of his Imperial Army counterparts, who persistently underestimate the cunning and ferocity of their Allied opponents in the Pacific Theatre of Operations. As his damaged transport plane completes its terminal descent, Yamamoto realizes that all of the Japanese military codes have been broken, which explains why he is "on fire and hurtling through the jungle at a hundred miles per hour in a chair, closely pursued by tons of flaming junk."
Albert Einstein brushes off a young Lawrence Waterhouse's request for advice. During his year of undergraduate study at Princeton, Waterhouse periodically wanders the halls of the Institute for Advanced Study, randomly asking mathematicians (whose names he never remembers) for advice on how to make intricate calculations for his "sprocket question," which is how he eventually meets Turing.
Harvest, an early supercomputer built by IBM (known as "ETC" or "Electronic Till Corp." in the novel) for the National Security Agency for cryptanalysis. The fictionalized Harvest became operational in the early 1950s, under the supervision of Earl Comstock, while the actual system was installed in 1962.
[edit] Modern-day storyline
The precise date of this storyline is not established, but the ages of characters and the technologies described suggest that it is set in the late 1990s, at approximately the same time as the publication of the novel.

Randall "Randy" Lawrence Waterhouse, eldest grandson of Lawrence and Mary Waterhouse (née cCmndhd) and an expert systems and network administrator with the Epiphyte(2) corporation.
Avi Halaby, Randy's business partner in Epiphyte(2), of which he is the CEO.
America "Amy" Shaftoe, Doug Shaftoe's daughter who has moved from the U.S. to live with Doug in the Philippines, who becomes Randy's love interest.
Dr. Hubert Kepler, aka "The Dentist," predatory billionaire investment fund manager, Randy and Avi's business rival.
Eberhard Föhr, a member of Epiphyte(2) and an expert in biometrics.
John Cantrell, a member of Epiphyte(2), a libertarian who is an expert in cryptography and who wrote the fictional cryptography program Ordo.
Tom Howard, a member of Epiphyte(2), a libertarian and firearms enthusiast who is an expert in large computer installations.
Beryl Hagen, Chief Financial Officer of Epiphyte(2) and veteran of a dozen startups.
Charlene, a liberal arts academic and Randy's girlfriend at the beginning of the novel, who later moves to New Haven, Connecticut, to live and work with Dr. G.E.B. (Günter Enoch Bobby) Kivistik.
Andrew Loeb, a former friend and now enemy of Randy's, a survivalist and neo-Luddite whose lawsuits destroyed Randy and Avi's first start-up, and who at the time of the novel works as a lawyer for Hubert Kepler.
[edit] Both storylines
Goto Dengo, a soldier in the Imperial Japanese Army, subsequently an engineer in the Japanese Army and involved in a Japanese wartime project to bury looted gold in the Philippines. Later (in the modern-day storyline) a successful businessman in the Japanese construction sector who becomes an ally of Epiphyte(2).
Enoch Root, a mysterious, seemingly ageless priest serving as a chaplain with the ANZACs during World War II, and an important figure in the Societas Eruditorum. Also present in Stephenson's The Baroque Cycle.
Wing, a wartime Chinese slave of the Japanese in the Philippines and later a general in the present-day Chinese army. Wing is the only other survivor besides Goto Dengo of the Japanese gold burial project, and he competes with Goto and Epiphyte(2) to recover the buried treasure.
Douglas MacArthur Shaftoe (named after General Douglas MacArthur), Robert Shaftoe's and Glory Altamira's half-Filipino, half-American son. He is introduced near the end of the World War II storyline where his father briefly meets him as a toddler. In the modern-day storyline he is a retired U.S. Navy SEAL, who lives in the Philippines and operates an underwater survey business with his daughter Amy, conducting treasure hunts on the side.
Dr. Günter Enoch Bobby "G.E.B." Kivistik is introduced in the modern storyline as a smug, Oxford-educated liberal-arts professor from Yale who recruits, and later seduces, Randy Waterhouse's girlfriend, Charlene. In the World War II storyline he is the unborn son of Julieta Kivistik and one of three possible fathers (hence his unusual name). His is a minor character in Cryptonomicon, but both his [impending] birth and his participation in Charlene's "War as Text" conference catalyze major plot developments.
[edit] Technical content
Portions of Cryptonomicon are notably complex and may be considered somewhat difficult by the non-technical reader. Several pages are spent explaining in detail some of the concepts behind cryptography and data storage security, including a description of Van Eck phreaking, as an example.

Stephenson also includes a precise description of (and indeed a Perl script for) the Solitaire cipher (called Pontifex in the book), a cryptographic algorithm developed by Bruce Schneier for use with a deck of playing cards, as part of the plot.

He also describes computers using a fictional operating system, Finux. The name is a thinly-veiled reference to Linux, a kernel originally written by Finland native Linus Torvalds. Stephenson changed the name so as not to be creatively constrained by the technical details of Linux-based operating systems.[3]

[edit] Allusions/references from other works
Stephenson's subsequent work, The Baroque Cycle, provides part of the backstory to the characters and events featured in Cryptonomicon. An excerpt of Quicksilver, Volume One of The Baroque Cycle, is included in later prints of the Mass Market Paperback edition.

The Baroque Cycle, set in the late 17th and early 18th centuries, features ancestors of several characters in Cryptonomicon, as well as events and items which affect the action of the later-set book. The subtext implies the existence of secret societies or conspiracies, and familial tendencies and groupings found within those darker worlds.

The short story "Jipi and the Paranoid Chip" appears to take place some time after the events of Cryptonomicon. In the story, the construction of the Crypt has triggered economic growth in Manila and Kinakuta, in which Goto Engineering, and Homa /Homer Goto, a Goto family heir, are involved. The IDTRO ("Black Chamber") is also mentioned.

[edit] Literary significance and criticism
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Despite the technical detail, the book drew praise from both Stephenson's science fiction fan base and literary critics and buyers.[4][5] In his book Charles Dickens in Cyberspace: The Afterlife of the Nineteenth Century in Postmodern Culture (2003), Jay Clayton calls Stephenson’s book the “ultimate geek novel” and draws attention to the “literary-scientific-engineering-military-industrial-intelligence alliance” that produced discoveries in two eras separated by fifty years, World War II and the internet age.[6]

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Sheila sez don't mess with this sort of stuff.....Quote:
To construct the porch through which will manifest those who come from the void, you must erect stones in certain configurations. First you will place the four cardinal stones that will define the direction of the four winds that blow according to the season. Toward the north, place the stone of the great chills that will be the gate of the winter wind, and you will carve there the emblem of the bull, sign of earth ..... These stones will be the gate by which you will invoke those who are outside the time and space of men. Pray on these stones at night when the light of the moon grows weak, turning your face in the direction from which they will come, by uttering the words and making the gestures that will bring the Old Ones and allow them once again to walk the Earth.

I bring this up, 'cuz on the very south coast of Sweden is a megalith formation similar in layout to Stonehenge, but on a much smaller stone size scale, called ALESTENAR.

The location has been depicted recently in an article 'boot what a rising sea level will do to alter the Swedish coast line. This projected land drowning is part of the Swedish contribution to the Copenhagen Weather Mod Conf. Alestenar will end up under water unless moved to higher ground. The kicker is, nobody has done any archeological studies under these stones, only around them,

Some superstitious types here in pagan circles are predicting some dire shit will happen, maybe along the lines on what Sheila is hinting at, if these stones are moved, 'cuz they have an astronomically oriented layout. Even tho' the stone layout pattern resembles a boat outline, the concensus of archaeologists sez its connected to Freja rites due to its inner vulvar-vaginal shape, which is what the current take as to what Stonehenge actually rep'd.

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The last chapter of Lamy's book on Verne is depressing. :cry:

But I've wiped away my tears and looked at the bigger picture. There is an exciting mystery to be had and I'm fully prepared to weather dissappointments and not allow myself become bitter with my pre-conceptions.

:idea: I think I'll do a Bush, "lower my expectations then exceed them" that will be my definition of success. :lol:

I thought I'd put a link up to Bram Stoker's book that was mentioned.

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3781/3781-h/3781-h.htm

The Jewel of Seven Stars
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I noticed when I read the crystal egg by H.G. Wells it mentioned Mrs. Cave coming back from Highgate.

It's funny how the connections exist in what we do. :mrgreen:

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If I have a regret it will be that I don't think I will ever be able to great person's work such as Michel Serres.
Michel is mentioned in Lamy's book.



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Michel Serres in 2008Michel Serres (born September 1, 1930 in Agen, France) is a French philosopher and author, celebrated for his unusual career.

Born the son of a barge man, Serres entered the Ecole Navale in 1949 and the École Normale Supérieure in 1952. He aggregated in 1955, having studied philosophy. He spent the next few years as a naval officer before finally receiving his doctorate in 1968, and began teaching in Paris.

As a child, Serres witnessed firsthand the violence and devastation of war. "I was six for my first dead bodies," he told Bruno Latour[1]. He studied mathematics and science in the shadow of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. These formative experiences led him to consistently eschew scholarship based upon models of war, suspicion, and criticism.

Over the next twenty years, Serres earned a reputation as a spell-binding lecturer and as the author of remarkably beautiful and enigmatic prose so reliant on the sonorities of French that it is considered practically untranslatable. He took as his subjects such diverse topics as the mythical Northwest Passage, the concept of the parasite, and the explosion of the Space Shuttle Challenger. More generally Serres is interested in developing a philosophy of science which does not rely on a metalanguage in which a single account of science is privileged and regarded as accurate. To do this he relies on the concept of translation between accounts rather than settling on one as authoritative. For this reason Serres has relied on the figure of Hermes (in his earlier works) and angels (in more recent studies) as messengers who translate (or: map) back and forth between domains (i.e., between maps).

In 1990, Serres was appointed to the Académie française, in recognition of his position as one of France's most prominent intellectuals. In the English-speaking world, Serres is perhaps best known for teaching at Stanford University and for influencing younger intellectuals such as Bruno Latour and Steven Connor.

Serres is a vocal enthusiast for freely accessible knowledge, especially Wikipedia[2].

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1968 Le Système de Leibniz et ses modèles mathématiques, 2 vol. (PUF)
1969 Hermès I. La communication (Minuit)
1972 Hermès II. L’interférence (Minuit)
1974 Hermès III. La traduction (Minuit)
1974 Jouvences. Sur Jules Verne (Minuit)
1975 Auguste Comte. Leçons de philosophie positive, vol. I (Hermann)
1975 Feux et signaux de brume. Zola (Grasset)
1975 Esthétiques. Sur Carpaccio (Hermann)
1977 Hermès IV. La distribution (Minuit)
1977 La Naissance de la physique dans le texte de Lucrèce. Fleuves et turbulences (Minuit) (tr. Jack Hawkes The Birth of Physics, 2000)
1980 Hermès V. Le passage du Nord-Ouest (Minuit)
1980 Le Parasite (Grasset)
1982 Genèse (Grasset)
1983 Détachement (Flammarion)
1983 Rome. Le livre des fondations (Grasset)
1985 Les Cinq Sens, Médicis de l’Essai Prize (Grasset)
1987 L’Hermaphrodite. Sarrasine sculpteur (Flammarion)
1987 Statues (François Bourin)
1989 Éléments d’histoire des sciences (in collaboration) (Bordas)
1990 Le Contrat naturel, Blaise Pascal Prize (François Bourin )
1991 Le Tiers-Instruit (François Bourin) (published in English as The Troubadour of Knowledge, 1997)
1992 Éclaircissements (François Bourin)
1993 Les Origines de la géométrie (Flammarion)
1993 La Légende des Anges (Flammarion)
1994 Atlas (Julliard)
1995 Éloge de la philosophie en langue française (Fayard)
1997 Nouvelles du monde (Flammarion)
1997 Le Trésor. Dictionnaire des sciences (coll.) (Flammarion)
1997 À visage différent (coll.) (Hermann)
1998 Paysages des sciences (Le Pommier)
1999 Variations sur le corps (Le Pommier)
2000 Hergé mon ami (Éd. Moulinsart)
2001 Le Livre de la médecine (coll.) (Le Pommier)
2001 Hominescence (Le Pommier)
2002 En amour, sommes-nous des bêtes ? (Le Pommier)
2002 Jules Verne : la science (Le Pommier)
2002 L'Homme contemporain (Le Pommier)
2003 L'Incandescent (Le Pommier)
2003 Qu'est-ce que l'humain ? (coll.) (Le Pommier)
2004 Rameaux (Le Pommier)
2006 Récits d'humanisme (Le Pommier)
2006 L'art des ponts (Le Pommier)
2006 Petites chroniques du dimanche soir (Le Pommier)
2007 Le tragique et la pitié. Discours de réception de René Girard à l'Académie française et réponse de Michel Serres (Le Pommier)
2007 Petites chroniques du dimanche soir 2 (Le Pommier)
2007 Carpaccio, les esclaves libérés (Le Pommier)
2008 Le mal propre : polluer pour s'approprier ? (Le Pommier coll. « Manifestes », Paris)
2008 La guerre mondiale (Le Pommier) Paris
2009 Écrivains, savants et philosophes font le tour du monde (Le Pommier « Les Essais », Paris)
2009 Le temps des crises (Le Pommier « Manifestes ! », Paris)
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^ In Conversations on Science, Culture, and Time: Michel Serres Interviewed by Bruno Latour, The University of Michigan Press, 1995, ISBN 978-0472065486.
^ Quand l'académicien Michel Serres valide Wikipédia - Framablog
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Online Collaboration regarding Serres work
art, writing: michel serres (1995) Interview with Serres by Hari Kunzru including a brief exchange on the relationship of Serres work to Deleuze.
Steven Connor's website, with links to his writing on Serres
(French) Radio Interview by Robert P. Harrison
(French) L'Académie française
(French) Serres speaking about wikipedia very enthusiastically
Michel Serres, one of France's 'immortels,' tells the 'grand récit' at Stanford by Cynthia Haven, Stanford Report, May 27, 2009.
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The "Necronomicon".

It is also the title of an LP from the late `60s - it has an all black cover.

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 Post subject: Clovis Dardentor - the film
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I'm only putting this here because of the Jules Verne connection - picked up half a Sunday Telegraph in a park yesterday and found this interesting snippet in the Films section, by Lucinda Everett -

JAM
The pitch:
enterprising Hertfordshire students Adrian Bliss, Benjamin Robbins and Toby Stubbs made this short as a 10-minute "teaser" for Clovis Dardentor, a planned full-length film based on a little-known Jules Verne book. It follows Mrs Dardentor, a character from the planned feature, as she backstabs her way to victory in the local jam-making competition.

The cost: £2,000 - they raised some initial capital by selling possessions on eBay and secured award-winning screenwriter Lucy Hopley. Next came http://www.buyacredit.com, a website where users pay $10 in return for regular production updates and a "movie producer" credit, but after little site activity the boys called in the big guns: well, Stephen Fry (...). After numerous letters, emails and cold-tweets, they received a characteristically irreverent email from him: "I am now your producer, you must obey." They were on their way.

The reaction: after a packed screening at Bafta late last year, Bliss, Robbins and Stubbs have so far raised about £90,000 towards their £1 million full-length feature. They hope to release Clovis Dardentor in 2011.

And an article from Sept last year -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film ... shoot.html

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 Post subject: Re: Lamy's Book
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Thanks ndawe - I saw that awhile ago when I was looking to getting Clovis Dardentor, thought I would give it another go with book - can get an english copy from the U.S.

RRD mentions Clovis Dardentor as well. The only problem is the puns and word games wouldn't translate. So it's not so high on my to get list. I would like to see how Stephen Fry handles the material, that should be interesting.

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