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That's why I said "you gave AN answer..." I didn't mean that he HAD answered the question. I wish he would, though...

"Isaac" is a romantic and his book, according to those who have read the pre-published manuscript, will be another failed conspiracy theory.

The Book of Tobit, the French Cult of the Dead, and Sauniere's activites bear no relation to each other - but "Isaac" - in plain typical "Worlds In Collision" fashion - won't find much difficulty establishing a "connection".

This is a non-existent "parchment" created by Plantard, de Cherisey and possibly by de Sede for the book "L'Or de Rennes".



"Roger" will not tell anyone that "Isaac Ben Jacob's" treatment and analysis of the book will be completely offbeat and bizarre.

Typical selection process from "Roger" - Sauniere received money for masses and donations from a wide variety of individuals, religious orders and communities. There were consistent benefactors, but far more widespread than "Roger" (or "Isaac Ben Jacob") are willing to admit because that would pour cold water over their conspiracy theory relating to Sauniere and Necrophilia...

Mr Norton...'scuse me a moment...I don't know you from Adam, however I like your common sense approach to all this.
The other contributors on the forum have a problem with you & Mr Smith apparently...I know nothing about that and don't wish to become embroiled in bickering....but can I ask one question.

What are you afraid of?.....you obviously don't like the subject we are discussing & your feelings for Isaac are apparent.....Is it a case of " me thinks Me Norton protests too much"? or do you know more on this subjest of " Masses for the dead" than you are letting on ?

Sheila

Woooah - hold on a minute, even the French take "Isaac Ben Jacob" with a pinch of salt, along with Andre Douzet he's been banned from a few French discussion lists...(and "Isaac Ben Jacob", "Roger", Andre Douzet and Filip Coppens are all part of a cartel producing the latest myths, including one involving Patrice Chaplin).

Hmmmm......I'm not so sure.....I think you might be seeing a conspiracy theory here.... where there might not be one.
From a common sense point of view the La Sanch scenario that Isaac is proposing might be the crux of the whole affair...no?

Let's throw down the Gaunlet - let's see how the REAL Penitential Movements of today will regard "The Rise" - my guess is that they will scoff at it.

That's as well as maybe...we'll just have to wait for the book to come out.

It's nothing but a conspiracy theory and another designer history from RLC myth junkie "Isaac Ben Jacob" - big fan of Andre Douzet - both of which are dismissed by French researchers. And French Publishers.

Not just donors - let's keep crushing this selection process by "Roger".

That's it - present the theory that something has been "discovered" before even seeing the material evidence - you cannot show to other people what you have invented for your own simple minded amusement!

Mnay thousands of different individuals, many thousands of different religious orders, many thousands of different religious communities, from many thousands of different locations - all beyond generalisation.

You're the one that needs the medication - you're the one with comprehension problems. Because you NEED TO HAVE YOUR RLC MYSTERY "FIX"....

"Roger" needs his RLC MYSTERY "FIX"....

Ya know 'roger', I gotta side with palsy on this one 'cuz ya stepped in to a pile of yer own BS. 'roger', you know that when it comes to things French, and Canon Law, Cardinal Lefevbre of I did it my way fame, had a lot of froggy bishops backing him up.

The Vatican has never been able to rein in renegade French Bishops, long before the Avignon caper. Canon Law exists where it is promulgated and enforced. There was always a Inquisition function since Albigensian times. Its used only against Templars + Cathari. Perhaps ya can throw the Huguenots in as well.

There has been an undercurrent of latent gnosticism in France for 2,000 years. This ain't no recent thing 'roger'. The only time the Vatican steps in with an Inquisition is when a head of state requests it. When was the last time Cardinal Ratzinger unleashed his Inquisition on France, where its sorely needed. This voodoo-like cult of the dead of yer is what I ref to, throw in La Sanch 'cuz its not really very Churchy, is it?

Do ya think a Jew PM like Sarkozy wants to upset his control levers? He ain't that dumb, neither was Chirac + Mitterand.

Ya got so many renegade French Bishops there who have mastered the nod + wink gesture, their behavior in WW2 speaks for itself. These Bishops always get a cut of the action, that's how they survive. They need money to grease palms. Sauniere got in trouble with Billard's successor 'cuz he obviously didn't get as much as Billard, otherwise, he would have left Sauniere alone to conduct biz as usual.

Billard's successor shot himself in the foot on that one, no? He lost out as well as Sauniere. Where did all the mass requests go to 'roger'? ya never said jack shit about that development. Overnight all came to a schreeching halt, how come? Who put the stop payment signal?

Ya forget the quintessential situation here 'roger', we're dealing with perfidious froggies. No amount of yer preachin' to the galleries about Canon Law, or what constitutes a Church sanctioned penitence rite-ritual. Do ya wanna go back to the good ole days of bare feet, sack-cloth + ashes?

Ya can't have it both ways with yer bAnal screed 'roger(is yer nether eye out of focus? and all ya get is a shitty outlook?...jest askin'), it ain't gonna work. Ike deliberately delayed his book ( most likely on the suggestion from gly-conjob), as I see it, 'cuz Ike had to work around all the objections raised on the forum. His text would have been pilloried + skewered as palsy sez 'cuz its a flawed concept.

jake

Roger

I think we can all agree that the question of how Sauniere accrued his wealth is crucial to the RLC mystery. As a non-French speaker my research capabilities are limited, so I tried angaging Paul thinking that he would be eager to discuss the issue and present his evidence, but no.

Its clear that Sauniere was receiving monies through his local post office, and that he was keeping records of these receipts... as payment for him saying masses, and indeed there are correspondance to this effect.

The problem comes when you try to rationalise the enormous sums he recorded and confirm the places across Europe where he noted the monies were from. You can't point me towards any English publications that deal with these latter issues can you?

John

Mystery....?

What a load of garbage...
Rene Descadeillas, Jean-Jacques Bedu, Abbe Bruno de Monts, and Vincianne Denis dealt with these issues long before "Roger" had ever heard of RLC.

Thanks Roger

It's not Sauniere's books I want to see but his advertisements requesting money for masses and donations, and his letters of request for the same.

For this theory to stack up there has to have been thousands of adverts and countless thousands of letters sent across France, and the rest of Europe, so where are they? Given the notoriety of the RLC mystery, one would have expected at least some of these to have surfaced by now?

John

He kept the stamps did he not?

'roger',

I doubt ya'd know a false flag op even if it had those letters stamped all over it. Sauniere was covering his butt in tried + true fashion, no? He did as his controllers told him to do + not use the actual donors name.

Billard would not get in trouble for siphoning off his cut, since it all came out of a common Churchy pot, no? Did Sauniere also file these requests by name, date, amount in their original form? I highly doubt it. Since he entered all in a log book which could easily have been done by Marie to include her copying his signature.

How many copies of Marie's hand writing are there? I have yet to see her put under the microscope like Sauniere. What 'roger' is foisting here is a disinfo pitch for a France toeingthe Vatican's line.

Since when has any French Bishop or Cardinal been disciplined by the Vatican prior to Lefevbre? Richilieu and his generation of Cardinals did what the reigning Kings wanted,no? All the Vatican could hope for was not an open schism and allow gnosticism to reign openly instead of as an under current as it always has in France.

I mentioned in a post many moons ago that Sauniere's was a poster child for instigating this schism thru his RLC departure from traditional Catholicism. He was flaunting several heretical tendencies, i.e, the necro biz, the dominance of Magdalene as a quasi-divine fem, etc.

Just look what Ben wrote in his book.. No Magdalen = no Resurrection = no Catholic Church. That is as blatant a heresy as any gnostic can dream up, no? 'Roger', by peddling Ike's penitence screed feeds right into this heretical notion, no? Methinks 'roger' needs a monocle to place on his nether eye to help him get re-focused and shake off his bAnal blues.

jake

No Magdalen = no Resurrection = no Catholic Church. That is as blatant a heresy as any gnostic can dream up, no?

Simply true though ; )

" The only people who did seem to care, and who went to the tomb that Sunday morning were the women. That is to say Mary Magdalene, and the other women disciples of Jesus. We already know that Mary Magdalene is the continuity in all these events because all Gospels identify her as being at the Cross, seeing Jesus die, watching Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus take down the body, she saw where he was buried, it was she who alone who went to the tomb (variously to anoint or mourn the body), or later perhaps with the other women, it was the women who first saw the Empty Tomb, it was they who said the body had been stolen, it was they who later said Jesus had come back from the dead. And it must be rooted in a kernel of truth. After all, as it is very often reported, women’s testimony at this time was not accepted as being truthful or legally binding. This sentiment is echoed when the Gospels report that the Twelve disciples ‘did not believe the women’s stories’!"

LOL!
That's like thanking Henry Lincoln!



They don't exist anymore - does that mean that they never existed? (Conspiracy Theorist's answer to that question is a resounding "Yes")



There we go again with that madness....